Shahzam
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PrTsty [#2]cNed? are you good
also how is that a bullshit excuse when he addmited that he was involved?
He should be in jail like the others....
downbad [#5]He should be in jail like the others....
ur a wardell cock sucker and can't comprehend the fact that ur man isn't the best oper, aren't u?
NG1nS [#11]ur a wardell cock sucker and can't comprehend the fact that ur man isn't the best oper, aren't u?
Lol! Ok?
jblancard [#8]who hates sick
too much ego and shit talk. streams a lot and not practising —> doesnt care about his fans only his brand
SpaceX2120 [#12]Bruh sinatraa I hate him his stream's are boring and the accusations makes me not want to hear about him
thats taste
kristof [#20]too much ego and shit talk. streams a lot and not practising —> doesnt care about his fans only his brand
sick? are u sure we're talking about the same person
NG1nS [#23]sick? are u sure we're talking about the same person
probably not but i only know 1 sick
kristof [#20]too much ego and shit talk. streams a lot and not practising —> doesnt care about his fans only his brand
Do you think players are pracing for like 13 hours a day? Tf thats after prac.
kmksnmfdojkndoljaw [#25]Do you think players are pracing for like 13 hours a day? Tf thats after prac.
they are streaming for 13-16 hours
kristof [#28]they are streaming for 13-16 hours
calm down with the 13-16 bro. Shahzam streams the most out of all of them, and he's at like 7-12 hours. Sick is around 6-11hours, Tenz has streamed a handful of times in the past week, and they wernt too long.
No clue about zombs and dapr as I last remembered them not being huge and consistent on streaming.
Wonder what they're gonna be like at the end of the month when challenger quals start.
kristof [#20]too much ego and shit talk. streams a lot and not practising —> doesnt care about his fans only his brand
"I hate someone because they don't practice that much" - kristof
Raevus [#29]calm down with the 13-16 bro. Shahzam streams the most out of all of them, and he's at like 7-12 hours. Sick is around 6-11hours, Tenz has streamed a handful of times in the past week, and they wernt too long.
No clue about zombs and dapr as I last remembered them not being huge and consistent on streaming.Wonder what they're gonna be like at the end of the month when challenger quals start.
sick streams 6 hours, when he ends his stream shahzam gets on, he streams another 12 hours, when shahzam ends his stream sometimes tenz gets on and streams another 2-3 hours.
so thats like 20 hours a day when they are streaming and not practising
KyLZi [#30]"I hate someone because they don't practice that much" - kristof
“too much ego and shit talk. streams a lot and not practising —> doesnt care about his fans only his brand” i posted this
kristof [#31]sick streams 6 hours, when he ends his stream shahzam gets on, he streams another 12 hours, when shahzam ends his stream sometimes tenz gets on and streams another 2-3 hours.
so thats like 20 hours a day when they are streaming and not practising
So, if I work a 11-5 job. I stream at 17:30 - 23:30. Then my co worker streaming 00:00 - 07:00, goes to bed. Then another co worker does a morning stream from 07:30 - 10:30.
Then starts work at 11.
That's pretty much what they do, and what other pro players in other games did.
Pengu in siege did it during his dynasty on the game. He'd start streaming in the morning, get off for 6 hours while he scrimmed, etc. Then stream later on.
Just with sentinels, their sleep schedules are fucked besides a few. Shahzam streams when it's 12:00 in the UK, which is like 5am. Same with other streamers, like s0m(not sure if he's still on degen hours, but he used to be)
Just people tend to overestimate how much a team should be getting server time, and how much a team aren't.
Raevus [#33]So, if I work a 11-5 job. I stream at 17:30 - 23:30. Then my co worker streaming 00:00 - 07:00, goes to bed. Then another co worker does a morning stream from 07:30 - 10:30.
Then starts work at 11.
That's pretty much what they do, and what other pro players in other games did.
Pengu in siege did it during his dynasty on the game. He'd start streaming in the morning, get off for 6 hours while he scrimmed, etc. Then stream later on.Just with sentinels, their sleep schedules are fucked besides a few. Shahzam streams when it's 12:00 in the UK, which is like 5am. Same with other streamers, like s0m(not sure if he's still on degen hours, but he used to be)
Just people tend to overestimate how much a team should be getting server time, and how much a team aren't.
so ur saying they are practising with 4 people while the 5th is streaming? makes sense bro
kwe [#34]Fr sick is just a chill guy
nah bro.
he's part of sentinels, and streams too much. obv got an ego because he doesn't practice 12hours a day, everyday. /s
Like idek why people hate the sen guys besides zombs and shahzam. Dapr, Tenz, and SicK haven't done anything shitty to anyone. tenz has cringe fanboys, dapr tbags, and sick is just a chill guy.
Raevus [#36]nah bro.
he's part of sentinels, and streams too much. obv got an ego because he doesn't practice 12hours a day, everyday. /s
Like idek why people hate the sen guys besides zombs and shahzam. Dapr, Tenz, and SicK haven't done anything shitty to anyone. tenz has cringe fanboys, dapr tbags, and sick is just a chill guy.
Honestly I won't hate them cause they stream they are just normal people lol, tenz is actually wholesome, sick is super chill, dapr is actually hilarious, zombs is a cool guy (aside from some comments that were made in a stressful situation) and I love shazs energy.
kristof [#35]so ur saying they are practising with 4 people while the 5th is streaming? makes sense bro
11:00 - 17:00 work hours
17:30 - 23:30 steam 1
00:00 - 07:00 stream 2
07:30 - 10:30 stream 3
That was an example on how stream changes can still work alongside work hours.
I also didn't say they're practicing with 4 people while a 5th is streaming.
I spoke about how shahzam tends to stream late at night, and into the early mornings. Tenz streams a couple hours in the evening, and sick usually streams in the mornings, and SicK tends to stream in the afternoon.
This is also during their downtime, which I can only assume. Just going back through his old videos, past 12 days or so ago he streamed like 6 or 7 times in 2 months, according to the recorded vods. That was during event time, where only shahzam was constantly streaming.
My point is, we dont know what their daily schedule is like during event time, and even on downtime where there's no events. We dont know how they adjust their stream times around their work schedule. People just assume that them losing against teams is because they stream more than others.
Also would you rather have someone who just going to pracc, then doesn't play the game outside of scrims? So pretty much fl0ppy when he was on C9. Rather someone play the game outside of pracc, than not.
kwe [#37]Honestly I won't hate them cause they stream they are just normal people lol, tenz is actually wholesome, sick is super chill, dapr is actually hilarious, zombs is a cool guy (aside from some comments that were made in a stressful situation) and I love shazs energy.
I used to watch them a bit last year around may-august.
shahz has high energy, but avoided him because of the shit he did in CS.
Sick is chill and avoids drama as much as he can.
Dapr is just funny with half the shit he says with his gf and other people in game.
Zombs just trolls people and fucks around in ranked (the brazil shit was hilarious, but can see why people got tilted by that during champs).
tenz is just a generic nerd who likes games.
People just use them streaming as an excuse on their downfall, taking away from other teams. They fell from their form because the other teams were better. It's not because they stream any more or any less. Tenz streamed less on the way towards champs, and he still underperformed at times. Shahzam streamed more than anyone and performed the best on the team at the event.
Raevus [#38]11:00 - 17:00 work hours
17:30 - 23:30 steam 1
00:00 - 07:00 stream 2
07:30 - 10:30 stream 3That was an example on how stream changes can still work alongside work hours.
I also didn't say they're practicing with 4 people while a 5th is streaming.
I spoke about how shahzam tends to stream late at night, and into the early mornings. Tenz streams a couple hours in the evening, and sick usually streams in the mornings, and SicK tends to stream in the afternoon.This is also during their downtime, which I can only assume. Just going back through his old videos, past 12 days or so ago he streamed like 6 or 7 times in 2 months, according to the recorded vods. That was during event time, where only shahzam was constantly streaming.
My point is, we dont know what their daily schedule is like during event time, and even on downtime where there's no events. We dont know how they adjust their stream times around their work schedule. People just assume that them losing against teams is because they stream more than others.
Also would you rather have someone who just going to pracc, then doesn't play the game outside of scrims? So pretty much fl0ppy when he was on C9. Rather someone play the game outside of pracc, than not.
doesnt matter bro bcz they are not practising anyway
theres always a person who is streaming from the team. they cant practice with 4 people all 5 of them have to be present
also playing that much ranked will build bad habbits…
Raevus [#39]I used to watch them a bit last year around may-august.
shahz has high energy, but avoided him because of the shit he did in CS.
Sick is chill and avoids drama as much as he can.
Dapr is just funny with half the shit he says with his gf and other people in game.
Zombs just trolls people and fucks around in ranked (the brazil shit was hilarious, but can see why people got tilted by that during champs).
tenz is just a generic nerd who likes games.People just use them streaming as an excuse on their downfall, taking away from other teams. They fell from their form because the other teams were better. It's not because they stream any more or any less. Tenz streamed less on the way towards champs, and he still underperformed at times. Shahzam streamed more than anyone and performed the best on the team at the event.
Eh maybe I'm just not a hate kind of guy lol but yeah I see why ppl would dislike some more than others (zombs tweet is actually kind of funny and he is a known troll so you can't take him so seriously, but I see how mistranslation between languages could erase the sarcastic tone that time)
kristof [#41]doesnt matter bro bcz they are not practising anyway
theres always a person who is streaming from the team. they cant practice with 4 people all 5 of them have to be present
also playing that much ranked will build bad habbits…
These aren't guys who would get bad habits from ranked bro. They have 10-20thousand hours in tac fps games, they already have their habits cemented in them. s1mple streaming fpl against t3 players. Must build bad habits bro. Beoulo on siege streaming for the past 5 years, built a lot of bad habits to being one of the best players in the game. Wardell streaming nearly every day or two yet still being one of the most consistant Jetts in this game, with one of the best FK/FD ratios.
ranked builds bad habits for people who're still learning and adjusting to the game. someone who already knows what they're doing, they know how to separate ranked and competitive. It's the same shit with people who played sports growing up, and did it at a higher level. I played rugby for my county in the UK, when I palyed it at school every week, did I get bad habits? nope. Because you separate the two from eachother.
Also with them not practicing at all. Show me streamstats during a qual stage. so oct-dec. i'd genuinly like to see if they had 1 of the five players streaming every hour of the day.
Here's some stats aswell. for the past 3 months, here's the average stream time for each of the players of sen.
sick - 2 hours a day 180 total hours
Shahzam - 6 hours a day 543 total hours
Tenz - 1.3 hours a day 118 total hours
Dapr - 0.93 hours a day 84.4 total horus
ZombZ - 0.93 hours a day 84.5 total hours
Those are averages over the past 90days, which includes a month of offtime.
So they're not constantly streaming either. Only person who has a constant stream, is shahzam. Which from his performance at Champions, as an igl. Was hardly the issue, considering he was their best performing player.
*edit - typo
kwe [#42]Eh maybe I'm just not a hate kind of guy lol but yeah I see why ppl would dislike some more than others (zombs tweet is actually kind of funny and he is a known troll so you can't take him so seriously, but I see how mistranslation between languages could erase the sarcastic tone that time)
ngl I was refreshing twitter that night because it was hilarious to watch. Shit like that builds storylines, which the viewership and the interest that it brought to the kru sen match was insane.
The shahz thing, no hate towards him. Just not a huge fan of him because of his history on cs.
Raevus [#44]ngl I was refreshing twitter that night because it was hilarious to watch. Shit like that builds storylines, which the viewership and the interest that it brought to the kru sen match was insane.
The shahz thing, no hate towards him. Just not a huge fan of him because of his history on cs.
Lmao Twitter is a different breed I don't even go there anymore just too much drama, it's super more rewarding to just scroll reddit
kwe [#45]Lmao Twitter is a different breed I don't even go there anymore just too much drama, it's super more rewarding to just scroll reddit
Twitter I like because of the drama lol. I find the shit hilarious.
Reddit gets the highlights from twitter, but the comments with fans fighting against eachother is great to watch.
Raevus [#43]These aren't guys who would get bad habits from ranked bro. They have 10-20thousand hours in tac fps games, they already have their habits cemented in them. s1mple streaming fpl against t3 players. Must build bad habits bro. Beoulo on siege streaming for the past 5 years, built a lot of bad habits to being one of the best players in the game. Wardell streaming nearly every day or two yet still being one of the most consistant Jetts in this game, with one of the best FK/FD ratios.
ranked builds bad habits for people who're still learning and adjusting to the game. someone who already knows what they're doing, they know how to separate ranked and competitive. It's the same shit with people who played sports growing up, and did it at a higher level. I played rugby for my county in the UK, when I palyed it at school every week, did I get bad habits? nope. Because you separate the two from eachother.
Also with them not practicing at all. Show me streamstats during a qual stage. so oct-dec. i'd genuinly like to see if they had 1 of the five players streaming every hour of the day.
Here's some stats aswell. for the past 3 months, here's the average stream time for each of the players of sen.
sick - 2 hours a day 180 total hours
Shahzam - 6 hours a day 543 total hours
Tenz - 1.3 hours a day 118 total hours
Dapr - 0.93 hours a day 84.4 total horus
ZombZ - 0.93 hours a day 84.5 total hoursThose are averages over the past 90days, which includes a month of offtime.
So they're not constantly streaming either. Only person who has a constant stream, is shahzam. Which from his performance at Champions, as an igl. Was hardly the issue, considering he was their best performing player.
*edit - typo
valorant is way different than all the other tac fps games bro so it doesnt matter how much hour they have in other games bro. s1mple streams cs twice a week at the best bro and not more than 4-5 hours bro. i stopped reading when u said wardell is the most consistent jett in the game bro cuz i got headache
kristof [#48]?
I said one of the most consistant bro. Him having a 1.5kd over 4500 rounds, with one of the best fk/fd. Didn't say he's the best, but you can't deny his consistencies. he has his faults, he's not perfect on Jett. However you can't deny that he's consistent most of the time.
Also the point with ranked building bad habits. These aren't plat players spamming ranked all day. they know what they're doing. If you've ever competed at a decent level, you know how to differentiate and separate playing seriously and messing around. Bad habits are mostly formed by people who're still in the learning stage. Once you've been grinding for years after years, ranked doesn't build horrible habits. You've already got your habits from years of competing.
You want an example of someone who streams more than s1mple.
Go for BoltZ. high performing player, streamed over 200 hours the past 3 months.
Faker with over 100hours over the past 3 months
fnx with over 100 over the past 3 months.
you gonna say that faker and boltz aren't sitting in scrims enough? Faker one of the best league players of all time, and came 3-4th at worlds. Must have been the streaming why they lost. Not that the other team was better, it's just the streaming. all those bad habits.
kristof [#49]valorant is way different than all the other tac fps games bro so it doesnt matter how much hour they have in other games bro. s1mple streams cs twice a week at the best bro and not more than 4-5 hours bro. i stopped reading when u said wardell is the most consistent jett in the game bro cuz i got headache
I didn't say he is the most consistent, good reading comprehension. Are you going to tell me that Wardell is inconsistent on Jett?
Valorant isn't that different from CS. Good habits from CS, transfered onto Val. It's why Cs pros have the edge right now. It's why the top players all have experience in tac fps games similar to cs and val.
When people ahve over 10-20k hours competing at a high level in a game with similar mechanics, they have good habits cemented into them. Bad habits mostly form on players who're still learning and growing.
On stream TenZ used to bunnyhop around trying to 1tap people. Can't remember seeing that at berlin, iceland, or champions. Odd.
Raevus [#53]I didn't say he is the most consistent, good reading comprehension. Are you going to tell me that Wardell is inconsistent on Jett?
Valorant isn't that different from CS. Good habits from CS, transfered onto Val. It's why Cs pros have the edge right now. It's why the top players all have experience in tac fps games similar to cs and val.
When people ahve over 10-20k hours competing at a high level in a game with similar mechanics, they have good habits cemented into them. Bad habits mostly form on players who're still learning and growing.
On stream TenZ used to bunnyhop around trying to 1tap people. Can't remember seeing that at berlin, iceland, or champions. Odd.
bro stop trying to explain me that practise is not needed and streaming ranked only is enough. ur clearly stupid…
btw yes wardell is inconsistent, overrated and bad.
kristof [#56]bro stop trying to explain me that practise is not needed and streaming ranked only is enough. ur clearly stupid…
btw yes wardell is inconsistent, overrated and bad.
I'm not saiyng practice isn't needed, you clown.
I'm saying Shahzam streaming is by far not the reason they lost. Are you trying to say Kru only beat them because Shahzam was streaming, and not because they were a better team?
you're calling me stupid, but you dont understand simple sentences. You were saying Sen stream constantly and never practice. How do you know they dont practice? Because they stream in their downtime? forgot you're the manager bro, my bad.
My whole point of everything is, streaming isn't the reason they lost. People should honestly stop using it as an excuse. they lost to the better team, that's it.
Also shahzam was the only one who streamed more than 150 hours, but was the best on the team.
Also please show stats about anything you're saying. because clearly everything you say anecdotal, and moronic at best.
You use stream stats in off season to push a narrative that Sen dont scrim or practice. you say this without any stats, saying the stream after eachother, without any evidence for anything.
If you show me proof, I'll admit I'm wrong.
In regards to the wardell being inconsistent, no shot. Him being overrated, yes. Him being bad, nope.
I dont even think wardell is the best Jett, or in the top5. One thing I will say is he's by far not a bad Jett, and he is by far consistent on Jett.
Also please just use google translate on my messages. You thought I said practice isn't needed when my whole point is that streaming being the reason Sen lost, is an excuse, and they still pracc outside of streaming.
If they can get to champs and compete against other teams without scrimming. Then they're the most talented individuals on the planet across every esports.
hiyo [#57]sinatraa(shit streams, r*pist)
ShahZaM(good player but I don't like his personality or actions outside of game)
zombs(idk why other than he roasted the shit out of Brazilians and that was funny as hell)
yup, that's pretty much the tldr on the top 3 most hated tbh.
Raevus [#58]I'm not saiyng practice isn't needed, you clown.
I'm saying Shahzam streaming is by far not the reason they lost. Are you trying to say Kru only beat them because Shahzam was streaming, and not because they were a better team?
you're calling me stupid, but you dont understand simple sentences. You were saying Sen stream constantly and never practice. How do you know they dont practice? Because they stream in their downtime? forgot you're the manager bro, my bad.
My whole point of everything is, streaming isn't the reason they lost. People should honestly stop using it as an excuse. they lost to the better team, that's it.
Also shahzam was the only one who streamed more than 150 hours, but was the best on the team.
Also please show stats about anything you're saying. because clearly everything you say anecdotal, and moronic at best.
You use stream stats in off season to push a narrative that Sen dont scrim or practice. you say this without any stats, saying the stream after eachother, without any evidence for anything.
If you show me proof, I'll admit I'm wrong.In regards to the wardell being inconsistent, no shot. Him being overrated, yes. Him being bad, nope.
I dont even think wardell is the best Jett, or in the top5. One thing I will say is he's by far not a bad Jett, and he is by far consistent on Jett.
Also please just use google translate on my messages. You thought I said practice isn't needed when my whole point is that streaming being the reason Sen lost, is an excuse, and they still pracc outside of streaming.
If they can get to champs and compete against other teams without scrimming. Then they're the most talented individuals on the planet across every esports.
yes bro them streaming all they is exactly the reason why they are losing. shahzam dont give a fk about strats, teamwork and the results cuz he only cares about his stream. its obvious and everyone see they are not practising cuz they are streaming all the time. even when they are in eu they are streaming everyday
kristof [#60]yes bro them streaming all they is exactly the reason why they are losing. shahzam dont give a fk about strats, teamwork and the results cuz he only cares about his stream. its obvious and everyone see they are not practising cuz they are streaming all the time. even when they are in eu they are streaming everyday
How do you know that he doesn't care about strats, or teamwork?
They lost two games, to two teams who went to semi finals. Like what do you want from them, another flawless event?
they've lost 3 matches against teams from outside their region. that track record isn't as bad as you think.
So instead of saying Liquid, or Kru were the better team at champions, you're going to find excuses on why they lost? they lost because Kru was better, and liquid was better. That's it.
We dont know what times Sen practice, we dont know what time they vod review. We're not part of their team, and shouldn't act like we have all the inside information regarding it. They know the reason why they lost, and they'll try to fix what mistakes the made. That's what professional teams do.
Like I'm genuinly curious. If shahzam played ranked as much as he does now, but off stream. Would you care?
also when he was in EU, he was streaming at like 1am, while some of his teammates were asleep.
Raevus [#62]How do you know that he doesn't care about strats, or teamwork?
They lost two games, to two teams who went to semi finals. Like what do you want from them, another flawless event?
they've lost 3 matches against teams from outside their region. that track record isn't as bad as you think.So instead of saying Liquid, or Kru were the better team at champions, you're going to find excuses on why they lost? they lost because Kru was better, and liquid was better. That's it.
We dont know what times Sen practice, we dont know what time they vod review. We're not part of their team, and shouldn't act like we have all the inside information regarding it. They know the reason why they lost, and they'll try to fix what mistakes the made. That's what professional teams do.
Like I'm genuinly curious. If shahzam played ranked as much as he does now, but off stream. Would you care?
also when he was in EU, he was streaming at like 1am, while some of his teammates were asleep.
shahzam doesnt care cuz hes streaming and not practising bro its that simple(thats like the 4th time im saying this but you still cant understand it) kru got top 4 cuz they got the easiest team in the quarter-finals bro. if they got anyone else they would have went home immediately
kristof [#63]shahzam doesnt care cuz hes streaming and not practising bro its that simple(thats like the 4th time im saying this but you still cant understand it) kru got top 4 cuz they got the easiest team in the quarter-finals bro. if they got anyone else they would have went home immediately
you're saying shahzam isn't practicing, but not showing proof bro.
the past month after champs is downtime for nearly every single team. It's most likely like that until a week or two before they start challangers.
It's why SicK, who barely streamed throughout november and december started streaming. If they're having a short break before their main even they participate in.
Why dont you shit on nats for not winning champions, because he streamed 125hours the past 3 months.
because them streaming isn't as big of an influence as you think. If people in other games can stream every day, while keeping a dynasty team ongoing, being regarded as the best player in the game. Why do you think it's either one or the other?
I'm not even saying streaming has 0 influence on it. i'm saying it's not the main reason they lost.
Also saying KRU got the easiest team, and any other would kick them out. They lost 18-16 against gambit to go to the finals. They hard arguable the hardest group, and defied odds to go to main stage.
They also didn't even have the easiest team in QF. Fnatic beat c9, who were in qf, you still had secret, and xcrit. All fantastic teams, but not really considered better than Fnatic at the time.
The reason I mention about the him not pracicing, is because WE DONT KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS. They could scrim at 3am for all we know. We're not a part of the team, so we dont know what's going on inside it. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
Everything we're saying is assumptions, with 0 facts. Even what I'm saying is assumptions. I'm assuming they're practicing when they're not streaming(not in downtime inbetween events), and you're assuming they never practice at all, even during events.
We dont know the inner working of their teams. They could scrim 9am-2pm for all we know. Shahzam tends to stream around 3pm PST, so they could scrim before that. I dont know. i'm not their manager, and neither are you.
People saying the only reason they lost is because they stream, is just clueless. the better team won. Them streaming 10hours wasn't an issue when they won iceland, so why is it an issue now. they lost 2 games at the largest event of the year, against the best teams in the world. It's hardly a fall from grace.
kristof [#63]shahzam doesnt care cuz hes streaming and not practising bro its that simple(thats like the 4th time im saying this but you still cant understand it) kru got top 4 cuz they got the easiest team in the quarter-finals bro. if they got anyone else they would have went home immediately
dude u r just dumb. u just need a reason to hate others.
Raevus [#64]you're saying shahzam isn't practicing, but not showing proof bro.
the past month after champs is downtime for nearly every single team. It's most likely like that until a week or two before they start challangers.
It's why SicK, who barely streamed throughout november and december started streaming. If they're having a short break before their main even they participate in.
Why dont you shit on nats for not winning champions, because he streamed 125hours the past 3 months.because them streaming isn't as big of an influence as you think. If people in other games can stream every day, while keeping a dynasty team ongoing, being regarded as the best player in the game. Why do you think it's either one or the other?
I'm not even saying streaming has 0 influence on it. i'm saying it's not the main reason they lost.Also saying KRU got the easiest team, and any other would kick them out. They lost 18-16 against gambit to go to the finals. They hard arguable the hardest group, and defied odds to go to main stage.
They also didn't even have the easiest team in QF. Fnatic beat c9, who were in qf, you still had secret, and xcrit. All fantastic teams, but not really considered better than Fnatic at the time.The reason I mention about the him not pracicing, is because WE DONT KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS. They could scrim at 3am for all we know. We're not a part of the team, so we dont know what's going on inside it. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
Everything we're saying is assumptions, with 0 facts. Even what I'm saying is assumptions. I'm assuming they're practicing when they're not streaming(not in downtime inbetween events), and you're assuming they never practice at all, even during events.We dont know the inner working of their teams. They could scrim 9am-2pm for all we know. Shahzam tends to stream around 3pm PST, so they could scrim before that. I dont know. i'm not their manager, and neither are you.
People saying the only reason they lost is because they stream, is just clueless. the better team won. Them streaming 10hours wasn't an issue when they won iceland, so why is it an issue now. they lost 2 games at the largest event of the year, against the best teams in the world. It's hardly a fall from grace.
the proof is on his twitch bro. how can he practice when hes streaming 12 hours a day and his team is also streaming all day even when hes not on? u keep saying streaming isnt as big of an influence as i think but everything says otherwise. nats is the only one player who is consistently streaming from the team.hes only streaming 3-4 hours and beside that they are practising hard and they got 2nd place in champions and sentinels got 12th so dont compare gambit to sentinels.
cloud 9, secret and x10 were all 2nd seed teams idiot. kru was seed 2 to as well. fnatic was by far the easiest team that kru could have gotten.
im not saying they never practice but practising 1 or 2 hours is basically nothing and clearly not enough on a professional level… just look at their streaming schedule and it will be clear that its impossible to squeeze a normal practice in…
kristof [#69]the proof is on his twitch bro. how can he practice when hes streaming 12 hours a day and his team is also streaming all day even when hes not on? u keep saying streaming isnt as big of an influence as i think but everything says otherwise. nats is the only one player who is consistently streaming from the team.hes only streaming 3-4 hours and beside that they are practising hard and they got 2nd place in champions and sentinels got 12th so dont compare gambit to sentinels.
cloud 9, secret and x10 were all 2nd seed teams idiot. kru was seed 2 to as well. fnatic was by far the easiest team that kru could have gotten.
im not saying they never practice but practising 1 or 2 hours is basically nothing and clearly not enough on a professional level… just look at their streaming schedule and it will be clear that its impossible to squeeze a normal practice in…
DO YOU KNOW WHAT OFFTIME IS.
Do football players keep going to daily and weekly practice during off season, instead of going on holiday or relaxing for a few weeks? At school did we study in summer holidays, or do teachers not have holidays between academic years?
Why does asuna stream every other day. why does s0m stream, why did mixwell, nukkye, nats, all stream for the past month.
Because it's off time between events bro. Their next even starts in 3 weeks. Teams dont scrim 365days of the year. They have a break between events to unwind. It's common in every esport. It's why Astralis pick and chose what events to go to. It's why NAVI skipped an event last year. To have a break from constantly playing a game.
I got a question. Do you honestly believe that fnatic at champions, was worse than x10, secret, and cloud9? You mention how they were 2nd seed from groups, while fnatic was 1st seed, winning their group stage. So how do you rate a team that won LB groups, over one that won UB groups?
The point with knowing their schedule. We dont know how many hours they're scrimming. If shahzam streams 11hours, that's 13 hours left in the day. Take way 6-8, you have 5-7 hours spare. Take away another hour for eatting, shower, etc. That's 4-6hours.
We dont know what they do with the rest of their day. We dont know what their whole daily plan is.
We dont know if he scrims for 5 hours in the morning, then goes and streams, then sleeps. We dont know each players lives.
You say his whole team is streaming while he's not on. Show me stats of them streaming when he's not during november, and december.
his team on average streams like 2 hours a day, while he's on 6. That's an average over the past 3 months.
you also diminish what KRU achieved, despite nearly knocking out gambit, going to 5x OT against them on final map.
Raevus [#70]DO YOU KNOW WHAT OFFTIME IS.
Do football players keep going to daily and weekly practice during off season, instead of going on holiday or relaxing for a few weeks? At school did we study in summer holidays, or do teachers not have holidays between academic years?Why does asuna stream every other day. why does s0m stream, why did mixwell, nukkye, nats, all stream for the past month.
Because it's off time between events bro. Their next even starts in 3 weeks. Teams dont scrim 365days of the year. They have a break between events to unwind. It's common in every esport. It's why Astralis pick and chose what events to go to. It's why NAVI skipped an event last year. To have a break from constantly playing a game.
I got a question. Do you honestly believe that fnatic at champions, was worse than x10, secret, and cloud9? You mention how they were 2nd seed from groups, while fnatic was 1st seed, winning their group stage. So how do you rate a team that won LB groups, over one that won UB groups?
The point with knowing their schedule. We dont know how many hours they're scrimming. If shahzam streams 11hours, that's 13 hours left in the day. Take way 6-8, you have 5-7 hours spare. Take away another hour for eatting, shower, etc. That's 4-6hours.
We dont know what they do with the rest of their day. We dont know what their whole daily plan is.
We dont know if he scrims for 5 hours in the morning, then goes and streams, then sleeps. We dont know each players lives.You say his whole team is streaming while he's not on. Show me stats of them streaming when he's not during november, and december.
his team on average streams like 2 hours a day, while he's on 6. That's an average over the past 3 months.you also diminish what KRU achieved, despite nearly knocking out gambit, going to 5x OT against them on final map.
it doesnt matter if its offtime bro cuz shahzam and the other sentinels players are streaming the same amount during the season as well…
reading comprehension bro. i said fnatic was seed 1 and kru is seed 2 cuz u thought kru could have got cloud9, secret and x10 as opponent in the quarter-finals. if fnatic got x10 and gambit kru both kru and x10 would have went home immediately.
u cant calculate shahzam’s day like that bro because his teammates are streaming too so you have to take away that time aswell bcz shahzam cant practise alone idiot…
Sh00ka [#54]I'm really surprised sinartra isn't the #1 most hated player thought that was a no brainer but every ones got a right to their own oppinion
well he hasn't really been a player for a little while
ig it depends on if you count streamers or not
deadSQUAD [#65]based on the thread that i have read
zombs no explain needed
shaz no explain needed
flipzjder hated by many (esp indians) bcs they think he is toxic af
skrossi hated bcs of his fans
mwzera hated bcs of his fans
mixwell bcs he is mixwell
tenz because of his fans too
Dolphin [#3]I feel like many people hate LAN trashtalkers like vanity and starxo
it's usually those people who have an unhealthy attachment to the team cause pros have made it clear that trash-talking during the match is fine.
cheeto71 [#52]PROD. No one cares about him and everyone says he's NA's last hope
you're probably very fun at parties
kristof [#73]it doesnt matter if its offtime bro cuz shahzam and the other sentinels players are streaming the same amount during the season as well…
reading comprehension bro. i said fnatic was seed 1 and kru is seed 2 cuz u thought kru could have got cloud9, secret and x10 as opponent in the quarter-finals. if fnatic got x10 and gambit kru both kru and x10 would have went home immediately.
u cant calculate shahzam’s day like that bro because his teammates are streaming too so you have to take away that time aswell bcz shahzam cant practise alone idiot…
I'll admit I misinterpreted your point about the seedings and fnatic being the easier group. That's my bad, you were right with that one, I was wrong.
Here's the teams stream stats of november until 6th december where they were kicked out of champs.
Zombs: 5 days : 17.2 hours
TenZ: 10 days : 36.6 hours
Dapr: 8 days : 22.8 hours
SicK: 8 days : 31.6
Shahzam: 27 days : 166.2 hours
In terms of times - time period 01/11/2021 - 06/12/2021 - 5 weeks
Week1
4/5 of them had streams started at 01:00am for UTC time zone. Shahzam is the only one who started around 10pm UTC
Week 2:
Shahzam earlier is 8pm, the rest around 10pm - 1am
Tenz, Dapr, zombs all 1-2am starts
Sick - 4-6pm starts
Week 3:
Shahz - 4am, 9pm starts
Sick, dapr, zombs didn't stream
Tenz - 4am
Week 4: Week of going to EU - the 2pm was an off day as they were playing ranked, even against other pro teams at the time.
TenZ - 2pm, 4pm, 4am
Shahz - 2pm, then 6-10pm starts
Dapr - 2pm , and 8pm stars
Sick - didn't stream
Week 5 - Week of event
Shahz - 8pm+ starts
Dapr - 11pm + starts
Tenz, zombs, sick didnt stream
*sources
https://twitchtracker.com/shahzam/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/sick_cs/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/tenz/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/dapr/streams
https://twitchtracker.com/zombs/streams
That's a rundown of stream starting times, in UTC time(website wont let me change to NA timezones :/ unlucko)
So even by that, their streams tend to overlap more often than not. that's their streams leading upto the biggest event. I will admit that shahz streams far more than his teammates. However it also shows that there are times where they have enough time to scrim, as they're all off stream at a similar time period.
This is what I mean by proof. Find factual statistics to back up your claim that they dont scrim, or practice. I'm fine with people shit talking teams, at least back up your points and admit if you're wrong. If I fuck up somewhere, I admit to it. If I try to make a point, I'd try to research my point to make sure I can back up what I say.
If the forum system was a bit better, I could have layed out the whole time slot thing a lot easier to read, and easier to present.
Raevus [#82]I'll admit I misinterpreted your point about the seedings and fnatic being the easier group. That's my bad, you were right with that one, I was wrong.
Here's the teams stream stats of november until 6th december where they were kicked out of champs.
Zombs: 5 days : 17.2 hours
TenZ: 10 days : 36.6 hours
Dapr: 8 days : 22.8 hours
SicK: 8 days : 31.6
Shahzam: 27 days : 166.2 hoursIn terms of times - time period 01/11/2021 - 06/12/2021 - 5 weeks
Week1
4/5 of them had streams started at 01:00am for UTC time zone. Shahzam is the only one who started around 10pm UTCWeek 2:
Shahzam earlier is 8pm, the rest around 10pm - 1am
Tenz, Dapr, zombs all 1-2am starts
Sick - 4-6pm startsWeek 3:
Shahz - 4am, 9pm starts
Sick, dapr, zombs didn't stream
Tenz - 4amWeek 4: Week of going to EU - the 2pm was an off day as they were playing ranked, even against other pro teams at the time.
TenZ - 2pm, 4pm, 4am
Shahz - 2pm, then 6-10pm starts
Dapr - 2pm , and 8pm stars
Sick - didn't streamWeek 5 - Week of event
Shahz - 8pm+ starts
Dapr - 11pm + starts
Tenz, zombs, sick didnt stream*sources
https://twitchtracker.com/shahzam/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/sick_cs/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/tenz/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/dapr/streams
https://twitchtracker.com/zombs/streamsThat's a rundown of stream starting times, in UTC time(website wont let me change to NA timezones :/ unlucko)
So even by that, their streams tend to overlap more often than not. that's their streams leading upto the biggest event. I will admit that shahz streams far more than his teammates. However it also shows that there are times where they have enough time to scrim, as they're all off stream at a similar time period.
This is what I mean by proof. Find factual statistics to back up your claim that they dont scrim, or practice. I'm fine with people shit talking teams, at least back up your points and admit if you're wrong. If I fuck up somewhere, I admit to it. If I try to make a point, I'd try to research my point to make sure I can back up what I say.
If the forum system was a bit better, I could have layed out the whole time slot thing a lot easier to read, and easier to present.
they should’ve spent those precious hours to practice or do something more valuable instead of fucking around in ranked, maybe they would have perfomed better. even if the team have only one person who streams more than needed and dont care as much, everyone gonna suffer from it not just that one person(that one person is the igl btw who arguably the most important person in the team) all the NA teams started practicing and scrimming already in 2022 while sentinels are still streaming bro. they clearly dont learn from their mistakes.
hiyo [#57]sinatraa(shit streams, r*pist)
ShahZaM(good player but I don't like his personality or actions outside of game)
zombs(idk why other than he roasted the shit out of Brazilians and that was funny as hell)
avg sen fanboy spewing shit about sinatraa being guilty and claiming that zombs and dapr's cringe crusade is 'funny.' L take tbh
kristof [#85]they should’ve spent those precious hours to practice or do something more valuable instead of fucking around in ranked, maybe they would have perfomed better. even if the team have only one person who streams more than needed and dont care as much, everyone gonna suffer from it not just that one person(that one person is the igl btw who arguably the most important person in the team) all the NA teams started practicing and scrimming already in 2022 while sentinels are still streaming bro. they clearly dont learn from their mistakes.
They could still be scrimming is the point. No team scrims for insane amount of time. You act like the team sentinels lost to are nobodies.
Liquid being one of the best teams in EU, and KRU. Then again, KRU were apparently a fluke in this event for some reason, despite showing that they can compete with the best.
They lost two games, at the highest skill ceiling tournament in the world. There were upsets everywhere in that event, so why are we acting like KRU is some T3 team who just got lucky beating some of the worlds best teams.
Was Sentinels run in iceland lucky, or was it them outclassing everyone? Did gambit just get lucky in Berlin masters and have a fluke, then having the easiest bracket run through champs? No. They deserved their spot, and played to keep it. They were also 1 round away from being kicked up by KRU. So if Gambit is EMEA's 2nd best team, KRU managed to fight toe and toe against them. At least give the team the respect they deserved from that showing.
Even their streams now tend to follow the same time pattern.
Shahz - 9-10pm start
zombs - 3-4am start
tenz - 4am
sick - 6-7pm
dapr - 4pm on saturday, then 5-7pm with a 7am start
their streaming times even now aren't that different from before. So we dont know when they prac. Shahzam for all we know could scrim 6 hours, then stream for 11. We dont know what he does when he's not streaming.
We also can't make assumptions regarding it. If they do make the same mistakes, and it becomes a habit, then something will change. Until then, it's not proven to be a direct cause to the teams decline in performance. Hell, their performance at champs was perfectly fine. Both matches they lost were 13-11 13-11 13-10 14-12. Those were the maps they lost in their two loss matches.
It's the same with fnatic at iceland. they may have lost to Sen 3-0, but each map was neck to neck and could have swung either way.
Acting like sen fell from being No.1 straight to t3 just because of two losses, is asinine. Teams have bad events, it happens. Sen didn't deserve to go through groups, KRU and Liquid did. That's all there is to it.
Mortadelo [#26]I guess it goes by the day, Mixwell has received a lot the last days, but overall Shazam and Zombs. Also honorific mention to TremolonaRage for making everyone dislike Mwzera
im not sure any1 dislikes mw, but trembolanaRage simping for him is just outright funny
Raevus [#89]They could still be scrimming is the point. No team scrims for insane amount of time. You act like the team sentinels lost to are nobodies.
Liquid being one of the best teams in EU, and KRU. Then again, KRU were apparently a fluke in this event for some reason, despite showing that they can compete with the best.
They lost two games, at the highest skill ceiling tournament in the world. There were upsets everywhere in that event, so why are we acting like KRU is some T3 team who just got lucky beating some of the worlds best teams.
Was Sentinels run in iceland lucky, or was it them outclassing everyone? Did gambit just get lucky in Berlin masters and have a fluke, then having the easiest bracket run through champs? No. They deserved their spot, and played to keep it. They were also 1 round away from being kicked up by KRU. So if Gambit is EMEA's 2nd best team, KRU managed to fight toe and toe against them. At least give the team the respect they deserved from that showing.Even their streams now tend to follow the same time pattern.
Shahz - 9-10pm start
zombs - 3-4am start
tenz - 4am
sick - 6-7pm
dapr - 4pm on saturday, then 5-7pm with a 7am starttheir streaming times even now aren't that different from before. So we dont know when they prac. Shahzam for all we know could scrim 6 hours, then stream for 11. We dont know what he does when he's not streaming.
We also can't make assumptions regarding it. If they do make the same mistakes, and it becomes a habit, then something will change. Until then, it's not proven to be a direct cause to the teams decline in performance. Hell, their performance at champs was perfectly fine. Both matches they lost were 13-11 13-11 13-10 14-12. Those were the maps they lost in their two loss matches.
It's the same with fnatic at iceland. they may have lost to Sen 3-0, but each map was neck to neck and could have swung either way.
Acting like sen fell from being No.1 straight to t3 just because of two losses, is asinine. Teams have bad events, it happens. Sen didn't deserve to go through groups, KRU and Liquid did. That's all there is to it.
im not saying kru fluked the event but everytime they faced against a big team they lost(stop acting like sentinels got eliminated by the best team in the world).liquid 2-0d them, gambit 2-1d them, doesnt matter if gambit is struggled bcz they struggling against everyone recently. acend 13-0 them before champions.also gambit was lucky cuz they got an easy group with tier 2 brazilians and asian teams(vikings almost knocked them into the lower bracket) and in the playoffs they had to play against x10 and kru.
noone considers sentinels and fnatic as big as liquid gambit and acend(only bias people). stop bringing up tournaments from a year ago when sentinels pulled the biggest fluke in vct history.
thatpower [#6]shahz
zombs
steel (reddit)
i was going to add skrossi but then realized that the hate isn't really towards him but to his fanbase.
Im gonna also say some of the Skrossi hate is racially motivated.
Hes apart of one of the more successful Indian teams and at the time for some reason Indian teams were a meme.
I just don't get it tbh
tinted [#86]avg sen fanboy spewing shit about sinatraa being guilty and claiming that zombs and dapr's cringe crusade is 'funny.' L take tbh
SEN fanboys think sinatraa is innocent lmao
hiyo [#98]SEN fanboys think sinatraa is innocent lmao
doesn't change the fact that you're a dumbass 🙂
HLTVtoxic [#91]im not sure any1 dislikes mw, but trembolanaRage simping for him is just outright funny
no i started disliking mw because somehow trembolona fit him into literally any thread just like how theScore esports fits the faker clip into every single video
thatpower [#6]shahz
zombs
steel (reddit)
i was going to add skrossi but then realized that the hate isn't really towards him but to his fanbase.
WAIT, hello, Why does everyone hates ShahZ???? Initially I thought you all were being sarcastic.
hazard25 [#110]Dont know about hated but loved =
1) boaster
2)vanity
3)hiko
4)skrossi
5)shanks
shanks literally is a matchfixer tho
hazard25 [#110]Dont know about hated but loved =
1) boaster
2)vanity
3)hiko
4)skrossi
5)shanks
Hiko is not loved on this website
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