End of Double Duelist Meta

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So we've all seen the leaked patch notes.

If you haven't:

Gatecrash (TP) Duration reduced from 30s to 15s.
Blindside (Flash) Charges reduced from 2 to 1.

That being said, do we see teams running Double Duelist now because of these changes? Many comps, for example, NRG's Bind comp, consisting of Yoru, Raze, Viper, Brim, and Fade, all start to crumble. It's like this for many comps.

I don't see Double Duelist lasting at all after this patch. That being said, how will the meta change? Back to Double Initiator w/ Tejo? Double Controller with Omen/Viper/Astra? I'm Curious

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waylay and neon are still good af and initiators with sentis are still dogshit

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Prime time for liquid icl

miniboo and purp0 perma on their best agent

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you mean kamo
kamo has been on the waylay for them while purpo plays scan

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i meant purp0 skye

kamo's best agent is yoru imo

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his waylay got us back on that prx lotus tho

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just a consistency thing

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Are there actual team comps that have been used around them? From the data I looked at, no one really used them together.

Mainly I think because you only need 1 Dive Agent, it'd be pointless to have two. Yoru is more disrupt and information gathering

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liquid

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I kinda see what you mean here? https://www.vlr.gg/625789/t1-vs-team-liquid-valorant-masters-santiago-2026-r1/?game=254147&tab=overview

But it still wasn't good enough to make it to the Playoffs, I think they have a decent idea in mind

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Liquid abused it in emea
Waylay is used as initiator + dive
the combo is just too op. Waylay dashes in, gets info, slows the enemy and recalls and neon can trade easily and it has no good counterplay
Plus I don't think this nerf killed yoru, I think he will still be used a decent amount

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waylay neon still exists

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No op???

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Waylay

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neon and waylay can both op fine

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Its nowhere near yoru & chamber tbh. I think teams with good opper gonna stick with yoru.

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yoru op is not that good if u only have 15 seconds.

ATP run a jett

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why do they have to nerf yoru man, i was cooking on that agent. alr ig ill go back to neon :(

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Waylay + Neon + Skye

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sentinels are still bad so Neon is going to be really strong

we saw liquid playing waylay neon double duelist so that will likely be the next best thing until the sentinel role gets some small buffs to compensate

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I think G2 are really gonna benefit from this because Jawgs Phoenix and Neon are in top form, and this provides Leaf and Smeag to play their roles more accordingly instead of Flex's

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yeah with yoru nerfs we’re gonna likely see chamber being played a lot more

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Oh absolutely, Smeag and D4v41 on Chamber are gonna be such a joy to watch. Wonder if a particular Chamber player will come back to the scene given the new meta/maps

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SEN yay incoming

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there might be a team willing to but ngl i think it’s a waste
yay doesn’t have the mechanics that he used to, and unless he looks really good in trials it’s a huge risk

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I mean Chamber isn't a hard agent to learn. His kit is so simple and Yay would love to cause havoc on it. Definitely not happening though

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oh boy agents are about to be nerfed again to cater the 0.0001% of the player base hell yeah

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Double duelist will always be viable as long as waylay isn't nerf, her kits is perfectly suit for setting up the second duelist whether it's yoru or neon.

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It's so ridiculus that Neon isn't getting Nerfed to the ground. I think NiSmO said it best https://x.com/NiSMO_VAL/status/2032842874656551290

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it's not really "neon needs to be nerf", but more "sentinels needs to be buff". The reason neon is so good in this meta is because senti and ini got nerfed to the ground last patch

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And I'm still mad about the Senti nerf. Cypher didn't deserve it

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jinggg & forsaken Raze Neon fracture used to always be a thing.
forsaken probably not playing neon anymore but that combo was disgusting.

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Is there a specific game I should look at? I haven't seen their Frac comp in ages

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This was a good game. Many thrifty sheriff aimers.
https://www.vlr.gg/184516/paper-rex-vs-t1-champions-tour-2023-pacific-league-playoffs-ubsf/?game=119687&tab=overview

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so.... neon + phoenix then

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something back to initiator

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I think if PRX make an insane comp centered around Neon/Tejo/Veto, they win their second Masters
Strickly for Lotus

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they could highkey run TL's waylay raze comp on lotus

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BYE NS FLUKE WIN

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Phoenix will replace Yoru

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This change was not needed as much as Neon/Waylay nerfs were.