Ethan GOAT Argument

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Hades_Loves_Rb

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Ethan has two trophies, one 2nd place, one fourth place, one 32nd place, and a top 4 at santiago.

Ethan also
has never been the best player itw in any year hes played
has never been a top 5 player itw in any year hes played
has never been a top 10 player itw in any year hes played
has never been a top 15 player in any year hes played
has never been best itw or even top 3 itw on the role he played
has never been the best igl/top 3 igl itw
has never won a regional title
has never been the best player in his role on his team
was the worst player when he won each of his trophies
did NOTHING in 2021 except qualify to 1 event where he was hard carried by Hiko Nitro and Assuna
did NOTHING in 2022 despite team hopping (the team he left immedatly won LCQ and went to Champions winning a series)
did NOTHING in 2024 despite having what was considered the greatest superteam oat (which failure is largely his fault) at that point AND lost while up 12-5
did NOTHING in 2025 until Bonkar came back from the dead except attempt to ruin a young rookies career

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Just want to make it clear. Ethan is still a good player. It is impossible to win multiple trophies while being horrible-however if you put Ethan in talks of top 15 oat you are deranged, nothing against Ethan himself, but compared to the people above him there is a noticable gap

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hes geniunely not top 30 in the game

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Yea but at least he's an opportunist

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worst champs winner

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lyssss [#2]

hes geniunely not top 30 in the game

Beat prime Astralis which should put him above every Valorant pro

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thatpower

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i agree boaster>

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Done more than RB will ever do

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he was the best support player in 2023 on eg

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shrike-

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ethan goat because 2 champs, case closed

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yeah the Ethan goat argument genuinely makes no sense to me

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SENfns [#8]

he was the best support player in 2023 on eg

c0m>

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KyLZi

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2 champions. What happens if he keeps getting rings though?

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Hades_Loves_Rb [#11]

c0m>

that guy is still flanking in the big 26

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considered the greatest superteam oat

Literally no one considered 2024 NRG the greatest super team of all time bro. You're just making up narratives to spread hate.

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KyLZi [#12]

2 champions. What happens if he keeps getting rings though?

Bill russel might have the most rings but if you call him the goat youd get locked up in a asylum

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SENfns [#8]

he was the best support player in 2023 on eg

sorry but no, c0m was better

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GodAwfulGod [#14]

considered the greatest superteam oat

Literally no one considered 2024 NRG the greatest super team of all time bro. You're just making up narratives to spread hate.

revisionist history at its finest. EVERYONE called it the greatest superteam.

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GodAwfulGod [#14]

considered the greatest superteam oat

Literally no one considered 2024 NRG the greatest super team of all time bro. You're just making up narratives to spread hate.

They did.

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Yall just gotta accept that non fragging igls can’t really be in this convo. Not even to hate on them it’s just the way it is

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dimmed [#16]

sorry but no, c0m was better

you didnt even watch 2023 bro what are you talking about

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SENfns [#13]

that guy is still flanking in the big 26

in the small 23 that flank worked wonders

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Hades_Loves_Rb [#21]

in the small 23 that flank worked wonders

yes but ethan had all of his team's assists combined on a non-smoke role
almost every game

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SENfns [#20]

you didnt even watch 2023 bro what are you talking about

I did, the only year I really missed out on is 2022

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dimmed [#23]

I did, the only year I really missed out on is 2022

and c0m was a better "support" player
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Hades_Loves_Rb [#17]

revisionist history at its finest. EVERYONE called it the greatest superteam.

Just because in the past people called it the greatest, doesn't mean it is considered the greatest oat. Nobody today still considers that the greatest super team oat so no it is not considered the greatest oat like you said.

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number1_mada_fan [#4]

worst champs winner

Flag real?

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jawn

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DELUSIONAL_BANG_FAN [#26]

Flag real?

he's a mada fan so yes

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GodAwfulGod [#25]

Just because in the past people called it the greatest, doesn't mean it is considered the greatest oat. Nobody today still considers that the greatest super team oat so no it is not considered the greatest oat like you said.

Its not considering the greatest because it crashed and burned mainly because of Ethan

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Hades_Loves_Rb [#28]

Its not considering the greatest because it crashed and burned mainly because of Ethan

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Gobline

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Yeah the dude is just "there" basically carried by his teammate

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Hades_Loves_Rb [#15]

Bill russel might have the most rings but if you call him the goat youd get locked up in a asylum

bill russell won in the plumber era does that mean asspas and botnicle are like bill russell in this situation?

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"has never been the best igl/top 3 igl itw" hes the top igl right now, bro is braindead

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Revlo [#31]

bill russell won in the plumber era does that mean asspas and botnicle are like bill russell in this situation?

context is crucial

bill russell won significantly easier rings since the sport was smaller and less appealing to athletes. the league was smaller and there were way fewer teams competing

this is not the case for vct. while valorant esports has grown it is nothing like the rise the nba had from 1960 to 2000 lets say

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wildly true post that many of us can learn from. thank you for sharing

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my-dad-ate-my-toes

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Be so fr he was at least top 5 in 2023 and I say that as a dedicated Ethan hater

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my-dad-ate-my-toes [#35]

Be so fr he was at least top 5 in 2023 and I say that as a dedicated Ethan hater

who I have above Ethan in 2023 (in no order)

Demon1
Leo
Alfajer
Derke
Chronicle
Something
Jinggg
Forsaken
Davai
Aspas
Less
Cauanzin
Mako
Buzz
RB
Zmjjkk
S0M
Crashies
Shao
Suygetsu
Leaf
Zekken
Sayf
Nats
Ardiis

thats 25 people id have above him

Prob forgetting alot-and you can debate some but to say hes even top 15 is diabolical

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Hades_Loves_Rb [#36]

who I have above Ethan in 2023 (in no order)

Demon1
Leo
Alfajer
Derke
Chronicle
Something
Jinggg
Forsaken
Davai
Aspas
Less
Cauanzin
Mako
Buzz
RB
Zmjjkk
S0M
Crashies
Shao
Suygetsu
Leaf
Zekken
Sayf
Nats
Ardiis

thats 25 people id have above him

Prob forgetting alot-and you can debate some but to say hes even top 15 is diabolical

yeah but like also in 2023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcW7X-0OqNw

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number1_mada_fan [#4]

worst champs winner

edg players & Kiles exist unfortunately