are sentinels useless?

we have seen less and less sentinel play in pro play (emphasis on less)
this makes me wonder what would need a change to make the passive info gathering of sentinels viable again

possible changes i can think of are:
KJ
Remove the range limitation of the bots

Cypher (still one of the sentinels seeing use)
make the trips insta reveal

Deadlock
Idk, her info gathering is audio based

Veto (mild use)
up the amount of chokeholds he can carry (1 -> 2)

Sage
Wall buff
slow duration increase
heal cooldown decrease

Vyse
Wall buff
Razorvine deals a bit more dmg and is deployed longer
Flash makes hit noise

Chamber
Cost decrease of Trademark

idk that is just my suggestion for sentinel buffs
you can give your own suggestions

havent read allat yet but yes the team sentinels is useless

what are you trying to say here

Keep chamber as he is, Sage is alr as it is every other change works

well now that we have double duelist meta the only really good sentinel is chamber and maybe sage with her delay util

I_LOVE_LESS [#3]

what are you trying to say here

you should throw hands wit bro for this less slander

SavageBeastfly2 [#6]

you should throw hands wit bro for this less slander

im giving him a chance to explain himself first

initiator is more useless no? Sentinel as a class is still decent rn

I_LOVE_LESS [#3]

what are you trying to say here

Im not slandering less
im saying sentinels are being used fewer and fewer

Foxym [#9]

Im not slandering less
im saying sentinels are being used fewer and fewer

gonna pitch a golfball at your head full speed

killjoy is more used than veto on every region lol (and veto has similar pickrates to every other sentinel)

I_LOVE_LESS [#10]

gonna pitch a golfball at your head full speed

why

Chamber, veto, and sage are currently fine as is, same with kj maybe just slightly increase her util range, the rest of them need some buffs though

Foxym [#12]

why

"emphasis on less" in parenthesis sealed your fate

I_LOVE_LESS [#3]

what are you trying to say here

less plays viper anyway so who cares

I_LOVE_LESS [#14]

"emphasis on less" in parenthesis sealed your fate

I dont mean the player though

veto and chamber are still pretty good, veto doesnt need any sort of buffs at all. if anything he needs a nerf...

spelunkist [#17]

veto and chamber are still pretty good, veto doesnt need any sort of buffs at all. if anything he needs a nerf...

yeah
the util removal is really overpowerd
1 free ability can remove MANY ults

i was talking about theoretical buffs, nerfs can be discussed later

mondely [#8]

initiator is more useless no? Sentinel as a class is still decent rn

flash initiator yes, they are all getting gapped by yoru right now
but scans? they are always meta, doesn't matter if riot brings back prime chamber, prime jett, prime viper/astra.
sova is definitely hard meta rn

way too any buffs lmao

Necromectric [#20]

way too any buffs lmao

idk that is just my suggestion for sentinel buffs
you can give your own suggestions

but yeah
i really went through the list

vyse buffs are way too much, she was the best senti in the game when she had flash info. that's all she needs back
just make arc rose break on flash and she's balanced imo

cirruss [#22]

vyse buffs are way too much, she was the best senti in the game when she had flash info. that's all she needs back
just make arc rose break on flash and she's balanced imo

makes sense
but i would then say that the cooldown should be 20-30sec

Yeah my team is pretty useless atm

Foxym [#18]

yeah
the util removal is really overpowerd
1 free ability can remove MANY ults

i was talking about theoretical buffs, nerfs can be discussed later

even then, i still think the 2 trips are crazy on that list of buffs ngl... the trip is already pretty solid

spelunkist [#25]

even then, i still think the 2 trips are crazy on that list of buffs ngl... the trip is already pretty solid

true

sorry im running on caffiene rn
maybe should head to bed

yes sentinels are weak but these buffs are way too much

cypher
vyse

cypher needs his changes reverted
vyse needs her info back but tweaked so every use breaks the flash so its on a 60 sec cooldown

the others are fine rn especially veto he is broken ppl just havent figured out how to utilize him

Foxym [#23]

makes sense
but i would then say that the cooldown should be 20-30sec

far too often

kyro1 [#27]

yes sentinels are weak but these buffs are way too much

cypher
vyse

cypher needs his changes reverted
vyse needs her info back but tweaked so every use breaks the flash so its on a 60 sec cooldown

the others are fine rn especially veto he is broken ppl just havent figured out how to utilize him

60 second cooldown is to much in my opinion

Foxym [#29]

60 second cooldown is to much in my opinion

well everything is 60 sec cooldown now it needs to be standardized and she would still get played with it like that

cirruss [#22]

vyse buffs are way too much, she was the best senti in the game when she had flash info. that's all she needs back
just make arc rose break on flash and she's balanced imo

i like that arc rose break on flash, but yeah give her back the info

presence [#19]

flash initiator yes, they are all getting gapped by yoru right now
but scans? they are always meta, doesn't matter if riot brings back prime chamber, prime jett, prime viper/astra.
sova is definitely hard meta rn

I don't think people get what i meant. I meant that the initiator class is more useless because most initiators are pretty weak. In contrast, sentinels are not too far away from each other making them more useful

mondely [#32]

I don't think people get what i meant. I meant that the initiator class is more useless because most initiators are pretty weak. In contrast, sentinels are not too far away from each other making them more useful

by both definitions you are still wrong, you're arguing that the "average" or baseline sentinel is more useful than the average initiator, but that average is tanked by the stall sentinels vyse/sage/deadlock who have essentially no pickrate. kj/veto/cypher/chamber are picked at similar rates in pacific but even combined they barely match fade's pickrate alone. thus mathematically speaking the average initiator is still more useful than the average sentinel, even if it's just two initiators that are carrying this statistic alone