Design a off meta composition for your favorite ma

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The rules are simple:
Atleast 2 of your agents shouldnt be currently meta (or atleast strong enough for that map in the current meta).
And you should have some explanation of how the composition would operate

Edit: This is my comp idea for haven
Yoru, Veto, Harbor, Omen and Sova
The off meta picks:Harbor and Veto
The idea:
Attack side you use your omen to smoke deep initially... And the harbor cove to give your yoru cover. And also to hide what the yoru is doing from the enemy's view (like you can default this every round and then tp then fake and the enemy will believe its real)
Sova is sova for the yoru, omen is omen, and yoru we know
Defense side is when veto really shines. Attack side he's mostly playing back with harbor/omen for retakes. But defense you setup 1 veto tp to give you an out, and the other tp as a rotate in tp. Interceptor at the location opposite to you(depends on what position and how rigorous their clearing is) and your trap guards your back or your tp position (depends)
Harbor is stall, omen does omen, yoru is the rotator and aggressor with omen. Sova does sova

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MrBlooBloom

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PEARL:

Neon
Fade
Killjoy
Viper
Omen

basically you can do a lot of trap plays on defense with good stall on the sides
On attck it relies on site pops and making passive pressure with the viper stuff on B or A main

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I mean the omen how does it help, i see the viper potential. Use it to like lurk up B with the new corners would be really fun

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omen is involved in the trap plays on defense and it's stronger than an astra for site pops. Ideally I'd play an astra but u asked for 2 off meta agents soooo

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I mean i dont mind, its not like he's bad i just wanted to know what the intent was

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icebox

raze deadlock iso sova viper

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Why the iso?

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9wntr

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iso vulnerable + raze nade/sova shock/viper mollie
dl grav to confirm combos better

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Ah, combos. Honestly id use a harbor for confirmed info and the blind than viper for such a comp but that would also mean we couldn't put viper in this and viper is meta on icebox

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0mm0

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:skull: i forgot that c9 did ts

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tbf they played a KJ so you get the cake for which of these comps is the worst

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i mean if ur making a comp based on util combos
just go all in and dl

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haven
iso neon viper astra sova

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only astra isn't meta on that map, iso is arguable

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one

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In 24 and 25 sure, 26 no

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Icebox

Omen - Astra - Viper - Killjoy - Sova

IDK if Omen is off-meta enough for this to count but it would be pretty cool to see triple smokes on a map. Game plan on offense is to just abuse mid, on defense it’s to have an insane amount of stall with all of the util.

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I mean omen is off meta enough to where im fine with it.
And im already seeing the literal surpise hits because there are so many points where you can smoke and defenders have no way to know what to do next

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Flame4Game

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thanks!

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Madouza

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Duelist plays Veto
IGL on Sova
Flex plays either yoru or Kayo depending on comfort
Smokes play omen
Senti on either viper or Cypher depending on map and comfort.

Veto serves a similar role that pre-nerf chamber did, a senti that can peek like a duelist and get out to play with their util. So put the duelist who's good at taking those kinds of fights on that role. It's not as potent as chamber was, but it's still pretty damn close. you also have the undercut for entries.
Omen is pretty self explanatory, the best smokes, a great blind, and tps.
IGL plays sova to get max info to call around
Kayo/Yoru is mostly there for flashes but does give some other value like breaking trips and supression.
Viper is there for lurks and cypher is there to cypher all over the place.

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Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one

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Map? And also lets suppose the flex goes kayo... Who's the entry?

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SENfns

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omen

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Probably ascent
Veto is

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Veto entry... I might as well ask how but idk

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Madouza

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Similar to the way way that omen is able to act as entry on some maps, but if he pre-places a tp before throwing his 2nd one for entry, he can tp in, do what he needs to do, and if he feels unsafe just tp back out to his team. You could also put Duelist on Yoru and have senti play Veto but I feel this was a more off-meta idea as per the requirements. I also want to see how Veto fills the senti-duelist role. He has his trip he can throw for execs to see if someone is in a corner similarly to a fade seize. The trophy system allows him to take site and prevent the enemy from using util to quickly re-clear him, meaning if he gets in a weird corner during his entry he can prevent himself from getting shock darted or mollied. His ult allows for a very good Operator user to thrive, because what are you gonna do, Stun him? Flash Him? Nearsight him? None of that effects him in his ult. His ult also makes him an even better entry, he can't get util dumped at all, he doesn't care about trips, flashes, mollies, or anything. he also Heals during his ult which lasts until the end of the round or he dies.
The comp around him also checks all of the other boxes needed for a good comp, you have scans, trips, smokes, and flashes. Allowing room to add another agent like Veto, similar to the t1 Iso comp

All around I think he'll make a pretty good primary entry.

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I mean you didn't need to lean that hard into off meta. I feel like your idea would work better if you ran the veto like a second entry with a more traditional duelist like a jett or waylay because then the veto gets the time to actually setup a good tp spot and teleport without being seen cuz the team is too busy on the entry duelist

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do not play veto like a chamber

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inuis

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icebox
viper
clove
fade
waylay
yoru

play it like reallllllyyyyyy off meta and with solid ideas it genuinely works

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I get waylay yoru, but clove i dont see it

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inuis

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played it when i was coaching tier 3 in tejo meta (-fade +tejo) and we were beating good teams in scrims with it and 13-4d with it in the next tournament we played (immo2+)

obviously not going to work as well but with good shooters and good agent knowledge it really worked surprisingly well

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I mean clove is designed to be self sufficient. Im just curious why you wouldn't use a controller like omen instead why specifically clove. For the overheal?

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inuis

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we tried omen before and it was essentially interchangable

the guy playing omen was a good shooter so we let him play clove instead
also this was before the heavier clove nerfs iirc so still had a good kit

omen had a lot more set play potential but overall the general philosophy we had was to outfrag everyone cause im not gonna lie even immo 3s dont have that good util usage, at least not comparable to what you see in tier 1 or higher parts of tier 2

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foythvlr

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Ascent
Phoenix - Breach - Kayo - Omen - Viper

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The loud 24 kickoff comp. Its not bad. But id replace breach with Tejo

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foythvlr

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You got it

Idk about tejo tho would prob put a scan cause this is a retake-based comp and sova has more retake value (but if we want to avoid meta agents than tejo is alright)

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KiwiJuice

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Haven:

Iso
Waylay
Brimstone
Sova
Kayo

The idea is hyper aggressive space taking with iso waylay with kayo flashes. you use the iso barrier to run up without getting spammed, flashes and kayo knife to screw whoever is still on site + waylay dash to finish them or at least stun them so iso can finish them. Site lockdown is super good with iso's vulnerable cause it's pretty much the best anti flood utility on that map. Post plant with brim molly and kayo molly, also sova ult. On defense you also take super aggressive fights for mid and A lobby. It's up to the enemy to try retake that space or a very obvious C take in which case you play heavy flood as well with iso util, sova dart, kayo knife, kayo molly, Sova ult + iso vulnerable is a cheatcode as well.

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I like this idea. Maybe instead of waylay we do neon idk may be better because neon can peek faster

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KiwiJuice

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it's a personal preference, I also like the waylay brim combo options, also Waylay flies in and scans the site, whoever she sees, can drop a slow on them and have the rest of the team clean them up.

Neon can kind of do the same, the problem being she doesn't have an instant tp back if she's in no position to get one or stay alive.

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Waylay is the skye dog on steroids and i love it

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I just want a team to see these comps and go "cool imma use these". It would be cool if they actually worked