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[DOTD 1] Can you IGL on YORU?

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simbhdri

(skip to tldr for full question)
Debate of the Day, 1:
With the Yoru meta being especially prominent in this 2025 season, most pros have been pairing Yoru with other duelists (mostly after PRX won Toronto with their Yoru+duelist meta) and Yoru's playstyle has MOSTLY changed from being first entry to more of a flash Initiator.
Now we've seen flex players, well, flexing onto Yoru (but f0rsakeN, the Yoru GOD and arguably the flex for PRX doesn't play Yoru?)
for example; MTV wayne and NS Francis. Although only one of the two (Francis) is IGL, it begs the question:

tldr; Is YORU a suitable agent for IGLs without hindering them as much as they would on a traditional duelist?

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dimmed
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Yes but only if you are a capable entry to begin with

#3
BabyWizard
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Francis isnt igl -rb is

#4
Skwish
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i could see it being possible for more frag-heavy igls but for igls that are more call-heavy (think igls like boaster), other roles like controller would still be better for them

#5
Bearmans2
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Prx already did with f0rsaken that one time they played 3 duelist on split.

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simbhdri
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but eh, idk if we can REALLY consider f0rsakeN an igl cause
1: prx already said theres no igl and that they all igl together
2: the ratio of the amount of calling f0rsakeN makes compared to every one of his teammates is like 1:1 so he's just another strat caller ngl, same goes for d4v41 and something

#12
Bearmans2
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True but ig hes the bigger voice in the room so he makes the big decision even at that time. Even b4 the game. I think alecks or somebody said it in a video.

#30
irenic_
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f0rsaken is the igl now though, that's a lil outdated. I believe mini helped him in that role

#6
unfertile
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unpopular opinion but I think IGLs should be duelists as they are the ones that dictate the pace of the game

#7
simbhdri
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yo this is a hot ass take since i've heard that you do NOT want ur igl to be on duelist
and i dont think we've seen one (as primary entry duelist) at all in like 2 years

#10
unfertile
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I feel like execs would be easier to coordinate too if the IGL was the one to dash in and take space, the challenge is to find someone that's cracked on duelist and also have a big brain

#13
Just_some_loser
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you might think that, but no, igls usually have to keep their eyes on the minimap, to dictate the pace based on everyone ELSE's positions. U cant do that on duelist and expect to drop 30 bombs at the same time

#15
unfertile
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you can't YET, I've been creating the perfect player in my basement for 8 months now and it's getting close to completion

#18
simbhdri
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Jason "f0rsakeN" Susanto

#9
buyprxclassic
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both shiro and francis from boom and ns respectively stepped off igling when they picked up the yoru tho

#11
Jayde
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It wasnt prx who made it popular bruh, it was fnc and then t1.

#16
simbhdri
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made what popular, double duelist? bro PRX have been doing this since 2022. pre-toronto u were seeing yoru single duelist.

#17
Jayde
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Fnc played yoru+duelist on 3 maps in 2024
T1 played yoru+duelist on 5 maps at bangkok (6 at kickoff)
Prx didnt invent shit

#19
simbhdri
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https://www.vlr.gg/112324/paper-rex-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-ubsf/?game=90650&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/112327/paper-rex-vs-funplus-phoenix-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-gf/?game=90662&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/297258/paper-rex-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-playoffs-gf/?game=155775&tab=overview

??? ok cro

#20
Jayde
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I can give u games like this from any team...
The invention on yoru did NOT come from prx bro

#21
simbhdri
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yoru + other duelist DEFINITELY came from PRX
NOBODY played Yoru in 2022

#24
Jayde
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Brother, invention means showing people how to play something not just playing smth
Also fnc and t1 made it popular, i dont see prx making a singular one popular except MAYBE yoru raze on bind
Sry to say this but what ur saying is stupid

#28
simbhdri
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yea clearly f0rsakeN was just playing Yoru for the heck of it back in 2022 and 100% not showing people how to play Yoru for sureeee

ur argument about FNC playing 3 maps of yoru double duelist
PRX played 6 and so did T1
this FNC bullshit is dumb they should NOT be taking credit for anything whatsoever

#29
Jayde
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Show me a singular insta tp to rotate on defense from prx back then
Show me a singular yoru fake from prx back then
Show me a singular clone to trigger senti util from prx back then

They mightve been the first to play them but they did NOT invent the double duelist yoru as we know it today

#33
simbhdri
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every single thing u mentioned is common fucking sense on Yoru even a bronze player knows
ofc everyone does it on Yoru?

#22
dimmed
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Icl that doesn't really prove shit though because teams didn't really start picking him up till after FNC and T1 did

#23
simbhdri
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bro what maps did FNC even play double duelist on where they actually INVENTED something?
Split? bro Yoru Raze was already a fucking thing
I would give 1000% credit to T1 for the Yoru Neon on Pearl and FNC fucking stole that too

#14
MrHyphon
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LEV Neon

#25
Bhrubby
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You mean “Yoh-Dhoo”?

#26
Tempest24
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also minimise was igl'ing on yoru

#27
Tempest24
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and was still carrying

#31
mongu
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Hot take: you can igl on any agent.

#32
Jayde
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Hot take: u can igl on every agent but there are some that make it wayyy less complicated

#34
simbhdri
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thats common sense vro not a hote take

#36
229fn
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I believe that macro-wise smokes is the most optimal role for igling since smokes are the most important piece of utility from a macro standpoint, you can exec without a drone, without a dart or a clone, but if you don't have enough smokes since you used one to put pressure on top mid, etc. it's way harder to throw your exec. Plus, on Omen for example you can smoke before you throw everything so you are able to paranoia at the best time

#37
Flame4Game
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fundamentally duelists are focused the most on shooting their guns, and no matter which way you slice it, IGLing takes away from the effectiveness of doing so.

#38
SkyXD
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as someone who tries to igl his silver lobbies it’s very comfortable to do so on controllers (as an omen main) because you can do your call-outs and control the map with your util at the same time

and with omen i can just single handedly win rounds sometimes

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