s1mon should have been dropped after edg WON champs, and everyone said I was crazy. People have this mentality of if you win you can keep the same roster. In most cases you can, NRG should. But when you have a player who averages below a 0.9 KD it becomes so hard to win since everyone else is improving at a rapid pace. I wanted PRX to win champs and then still drop patmen. Noobs will disagree but if they dont drop him they will struggle and drop him sometime during the year, might as well do it now so they can be competitive at kickoff.
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his mechanics arent up to par, he peaked in toronto an was a 1.02, WHILE PEAKING. also think about the update, less emphasis on util, aimer will thrive
patmen was winning clutches and getting crucial frags. k/d doesnt matter as long as u have impact in the game
k/d doesn't matter is the same as when people say looks don't matter for likability or iq doesn't matter in college, it feels nice to say, but its the furthest thing from reality
u can maintain kd while baiting your teammates. this itself proves that it doesnt show the entire thing. u cannot judge someone's impact based on kd asw. save every 3v5, bait your teammates, dont hard entry and congrats you have an ez 1.5 kd
that explains having a 0.89 Kd? 0.89 KD means you are losing 53 percent of your duels. 1/(0.89+1) = 53%. He only wins 47 percent of his duels, you can be below average and lose more duels than you but you should be winning ATLEAST 49% of duels cause then ur only slightly below league average
if we are dropping ppl based on kd then something should be dropped cuz he had 1 kd in toronto? lmao. the scenario which u are showing is ok but its based on the fact that patmen always takes pure 1v1 aim duels.
and nobody is killing him from different angles where he isnt looking, not getting killed while flashed/stuned/slowed. dying because of flank or he is in a 1v3 situation. kd in turn only shows u this only that patmen died 20 times and killed someone 15 times and it wont show u HOW he died those 20 times.
something's 1 KD was his FLOOR, also 0.95 and up is golden. Something's floor was equivalent to patmen's peak, incomparable
and patmen was doing good in toronto. he won clutches, his util is good and he blended in with the team pretty good. he was top 3 in most clutches won with better % of clutches won than siufatbb
also something and patmen dont even play the same role, its like saying why is the entry duelist dying so much or why is the senti dying so much on defence.
"well he is 400 pounds but the scale doesnt tell you how he got there" aaah argument
i wish it was, if he is that consistenly in bad situatuion when he is lurking and the most passive player on the team its his fault. your point can be a applied to someone like mada who hard entries and takes many unfavorable fights not a passive player like patmen
if you watch prx games you will know he doesnt have that much impact through out the series...
1.02 isn’t even bad given how PRX plays and his job was to set his teammates up anyways
0.95 is good, s0m had 0.97 and had great impact, problem is 1.02 isnt his average he was PEAKING at 1.02. His ceiling is 1.02 and his average is like 0.85 - 0.93. that cant work
patmen was brought in to fix role issues and to be able to diversify comps
his init util is better than f0rsakens
his lurking on viper is also pretty good
his aim isn't as good as f0rsaken davai something, i agree
but its not bad by any means if anything its AT LEAST the league average or higher (in the most aim heavy league)
and new meta being more aim dependent doesn't suddenly mean you don't run any scan initiators
ofc not, u can run scan it will still be strong, my point is his impact driven by proficiency in util usage will be less impatcful. Think of it this way, lets say we can give weighting to game impact in binary terms between aim and util. Before it was maybe 70% aim 30% util, that has tipped further in favor of aim. This makes patmen unviable because his impact comes from his excellent util. Also people act like players cant have excellent utility and good aim, this is the highest stage in the game. Look at trent good aim and great util you need both
trent was horrible in 2024 and massively improved in 2025 when it came to taking raw fights, who’s to say patmen can’t do the same?
patmen has stated that he would work on his individual skill more so maybe we will see a better version from him
0.85 kd in shanghai while his team got 3rd place, 0.89 kd in champions 2024
yeah this is true and ultimately was the reason for them actually being able to win
2 days after the patch, we didn't even see any changes within the gameplay. Not even with longer util cooldown. And the spray pattern is barely noticeable.
Stop being so reactionary.
even if the meta stayed the same and we won champs we should have still dropped him, this isnt a plumbing job this is a competitive league job security is non existent and should be
let’s focus on g2 jonahp first before prx patmen, he’s the real ghost at international events
PRX winning toronto is because mini coaching not because patman
when honeymoon is over, the drough of trophy is coming
really hard to win another trophy once you won one already tbf. only one team actually won two events (sentinels doesn’t count since they had a completely different team from the 2021 roster)
true but you cant deny that 1 game when patmen only got 1 kill as a sova with 0 zero assist vs g2 ascent
this is before nerf of initiator btw
"Noobs will disagree but" braindamaged ass argument, no wonder autism has been increasing in the US.
EDG dropped S1mon and what happened to EDG? became a Tier D team in International events. Sure, after putting Jieni they performed decent in VCT CN in a region that's all aim. But in International events, everybody can aim and look what happened to them.
Alecks said himself that he wasn't looking for a fragger. He took PatMen because they needed a utility-support type player and because of his clear comms and map awareness during intense clash moments. +sacrificial player where he would trade himself for a site entry (idk about this. Only saw very few of this in PRX comms vids) and PatMen did well on this role given by Alecks.
I agree PatMen's Champs performance is below decent, but Toronto and APAC & Stage 2 stats don't tell the whole story. Most of the time, he needs to throw utility for the team for fights and if that doesn't work, he would be the last person in the team to alive. It's either he clutches or die and have a negative KD. If PatMen didn't clutch the G2, SEN, Wolves and FNC 1vX in Toronto then it's just another bad KD for him.
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