It's the mentality
SEN 2024: Even when down, stuck to fundamentals and played patiently and with cohesion, doesn't matter if they're under pressure
SEN 2025: If they're shooting they win(individualistic approach) , under pressure or when enemy team throws curveball, collapses and starts taking bad fights, grows impatient
n4rrate is good but bang has been a letdown in every aspect
they need a sacy replacement, n4rrate is bringing enough firepower but there is a lack of leadership
kaplan is buns gotta get em gone, bro was struggling in NA splits even with tenZ and Sacy
Nah Apac was trophyless that time.
They just got lucky before asia takeover. EVen EDG was dogshit.
serot [#4]n4rrate is good but bang has been a letdown in every aspect
they need a sacy replacement, n4rrate is bringing enough firepower but there is a lack of leadership
ye
i think bang has terrible mental + he's not aggressive enough tbh
shame that he isn't, his flicks look like lightspeed to me
serot [#4]n4rrate is good but bang has been a letdown in every aspect
they need a sacy replacement, n4rrate is bringing enough firepower but there is a lack of leadership
Nah I feel differently, I think both bang and narrate are playing kinda like an inexperienced player. Narrate just has been an aggressive player which is y he put numbers in americas cuz it's less competitive than champs
Dude 2024 sen wasn't on my support list but I had be lying if I said they didn't play a sweet melodious gameplay , teamfights , duels , util usage clutches
Marii [#7]If Sacy had aim that champs would be scary
But at the same time narrate has better aim than sacy but we know how it's been this year
Charism [#10]Nah I feel differently, I think both bang and narrate are playing kinda like an inexperienced player. Narrate just has been an aggressive player which is y he put numbers in americas cuz it's less competitive than champs
n4rrate is there 2nd best rated player vs GX, he is pulling his weight more than enough and I feel like he is pretty vocal in the few comms videos I see
bang is not leading or clutching like sacy or making plays like tenz, an actual downgrade in all aspects
KClaw [#13]Dude 2024 sen wasn't on my support list but I had be lying if I said they didn't play a sweet melodious gameplay , teamfights , duels , util usage clutches
Yeah, their retake plays was fucking disgusting, especially on sunset and split.
This SEN is just temu G2
KClaw [#13]Dude 2024 sen wasn't on my support list but I had be lying if I said they didn't play a sweet melodious gameplay , teamfights , duels , util usage clutches
I agree, the veteran experience of tenz and especially sacy made them play fundamentally well and not collapse under pressure
It’s not mental. It’s the fact that SEN are still favoring retakes over anchoring/floods when the Meta has completely changed.
serot [#16]n4rrate is there 2nd best rated player vs GX, he is pulling his weight more than enough and I feel like he is pretty vocal in the few comms videos I see
bang is not leading or clutching like sacy or making plays like tenz, an actual downgrade in all aspects
I can see that, I just remembered how everyone said that bang was a huge upgrade to TenZ at the start of the year
Nah its completely wrong assesment. Current SEN dont make any plays, they play way too scared, can you remember any SEN player doing a X-factor play on the defense half of Haven? They are all just rotating thru spawn and giving every site for free. In 2024 SEN, Tenz would fight agressively even when he is weak site sometimes so other teams had to use util to exec everytime. Right now just look at the util left on GX everytime they exec onto the site. Its ridicilous
Ultia [#19]It’s not mental. It’s the fact that SEN are still favoring retakes over anchoring/floods when the Meta has completely changed.
That 3v5 on haven im so confused as to what they were waiting for
Ultia [#19]It’s not mental. It’s the fact that SEN are still favoring retakes over anchoring/floods when the Meta has completely changed.
I agree with that as well, G2 has been more of a post plant team which has played well for them this season.
But when compared to teams like G2, more than being tactically outplayed, I see a lack of cohesion and sound fundamentals unlike G2 which is extremely good at it.
I believe they can do better but I'm not gonna bank on it
_techpause [#17]Yeah, their retake plays was fucking disgusting, especially on sunset and split.
This SEN is just temu G2
They’re not even Temu G2. Their comps, macro, and player consistency are worlds apart. Kinda offensive to compare them lmao
A1pha1 [#21]Nah its completely wrong assesment. Current SEN dont make any plays, they play way too scared, can you remember any SEN player doing a X-factor play on the defense half of Haven? They are all just rotating thru spawn and giving every site for free. In 2024 SEN, Tenz would fight agressively even when he is weak site sometimes so other teams had to use util to exec everytime. Right now just look at the util left on GX everytime they exec onto the site. Its ridicilous
I have said this before, good risk taking comes only when it's required at disadvantageous position to even out the situation, u can't expect an anchor to just sit on a site when he has no support whatsoever to help him hold.
If it works people call it magic, when it doesn't which happens most of them time in tier 1, it looks stupid as to why the player didn't want to play with his team.
This is a bit of a childish argument.
Ultia [#19]It’s not mental. It’s the fact that SEN are still favoring retakes over anchoring/floods when the Meta has completely changed.
2024 SEN were great at floods. I remember rounds on Split and Lotus where SEN would start the retake before the spike was planted. I remember one round on Split where 2024 SEN had started the retake before the other team had even entered the site. It looked like one team was executing on the site from B main and the other was executing on the site from mid. It was glorious.
The current team has a mental problem. Anytime they are against an opponent that they think is tough, they lose confidence and start playing poorly. But against teams clearly weaker than them, they obliterate they so brutally, that they end up looking like one of the best in the world.
Charism [#25]I have said this before, good risk taking comes only when it's required at disadvantageous position to even out the situation, u can't expect an anchor to just sit on a site when he has no support whatsoever to help him hold.
If it works people call it magic, when it doesn't which happens most of them time in tier 1, it looks stupid as to why the player didn't want to play with his team.
This is a bit of a childish argument.
The round john and zekken were holding C and it went to 5v3, narrate and bang had to flood there, instead they just waited behind smokes. Also they need to go much faster on their bonus round with some confidence. Not a single round they attempted to retake from behind on a 3 site map. If this is not playing scared, then what is?
A1pha1 [#21]Nah its completely wrong assesment. Current SEN dont make any plays, they play way too scared, can you remember any SEN player doing a X-factor play on the defense half of Haven? They are all just rotating thru spawn and giving every site for free. In 2024 SEN, Tenz would fight agressively even when he is weak site sometimes so other teams had to use util to exec everytime. Right now just look at the util left on GX everytime they exec onto the site. Its ridicilous
They're giving too much attention to Sacy, and yet they forgot that Tenz is a smart player who made a huge impact on why Sen has been successful when he was still playing
Ementor [#26]2024 SEN were great at floods. I remember rounds on Split and Lotus where SEN would start the retake before the spike was planted. I remember one round on Split where 2024 SEN had started the retake before the other team had even entered the site. It looked like one team was executing on the site from B main and the other was executing on the site from mid. It was glorious.
The current team has a mental problem. Anytime they are against an opponent that they think is tough, they lose confidence and start playing poorly. But against teams clearly weaker than them, they obliterate they so brutally, that they end up looking like one of the best in the world.
then they are just beating weak teams and losing to better teams i dont see the big issue here they are just worse
chocoinmytacos [#28]They're giving too much attention to Sacy, and yet they forgot that Tenz is a smart player who made a huge impact on why Sen has been successful when he was still playing
i disagree i think sacy was more impactful
Marii [#22]That 3v5 on haven im so confused as to what they were waiting for
It’s like they’re lacking practice with player positioning for trades. Their older comps would have covered it up with the utility dump but now that the Meta has shifted, they don’t know how to play as tightly as other teams.
G2 is the prime example of how teams should space regardless of their comps/utility because they never give you fair 50/50s.
A1pha1 [#27]The round john and zekken were holding C and it went to 5v3, narrate and bang had to flood there, instead they just waited behind smokes. Also they need to go much faster on their bonus round with some confidence. Not a single round they attempted to retake from behind on a 3 site map. If this is not playing scared, then what is?
Why would they want to flood in alone against 3 people when they can go 5v3 instead of a 2v3?
It's just playing advantages poorly.
Also, why would u call a retake from behind an X-factor play?
chocoinmytacos [#28]They're giving too much attention to Sacy, and yet they forgot that Tenz is a smart player who made a huge impact on why Sen has been successful when he was still playing
Sacy was always the scapegoat whenever and now people r just realizing how important he was.
I have loved watching TenZ play since 2020 but I am not going to cope that this Sen is somewhat good as the last one
Charism [#32]Why would they want to flood in alone against 3 people when they can go 5v3 instead of a 2v3?
It's just playing advantages poorly.
Also, why would u call a retake from behind an X-factor play?
Its x factor play because you have to have the confidence to take the 1v1 against the lurker to push up on defence. Thats why players like Alfajer, leaf and even Patmen are so valued because they push up on defense even on agents like viper, killjoy
Charism [#32]Why would they want to flood in alone against 3 people when they can go 5v3 instead of a 2v3?
It's just playing advantages poorly.
Also, why would u call a retake from behind an X-factor play?
They can help 2 teammates on site instead of them just getting overwhelmed. That round they definitely shouldve flooded, also idk how narrate managed to hit noone with his sova ult thag round
You all hated my bald king Sacy, now you all seeing the problem ?? He always was the main reason, why they sticked to fundamentals
A1pha1 [#36]They can help 2 teammates on site instead of them just getting overwhelmed. That round they definitely shouldve flooded, also idk how narrate managed to hit noone with his sova ult thag round
Oh I understand that, that makes sense, I didn't remember that round correctly it seems
A1pha1 [#35]Its x factor play because you have to have the confidence to take the 1v1 against the lurker to push up on defence. Thats why players like Alfajer, leaf and even Patmen are so valued because they push up on defense even on agents like viper, killjoy
I can see that, risk- taking has been an issue with this SEN roster unlike teams like G2 and PRX.
I think it's just the fact that none of them really have a playstyle like that, only person who can do that is johnqt but he's the igl, and zellsis is just not a good lurker, bang could try that but he is not that type of a player.
Zykkie [#37]You all hated my bald king Sacy, now you all seeing the problem ?? He always was the main reason, why they sticked to fundamentals
I have never hated sacy for a second but I agree that he was scapegoated a lot of the times
That's what having Sacy on your team can do. He lifted them up mentally and made them stick to the fundamentals regardless of what was going on in the game...
ninjaturtle [#41]That's what having Sacy on your team can do. He lifted them up mentally and made them stick to the fundamentals regardless of what was going on in the game...
The bald king is a legend
MrBulbe [#3]Sacy was holding them together.
I agree . They didn't think that the reason y Sacy have minimal kills is because his UTIL SUPPORT AND SUPPORT TO THE CALLINGS is there. TenZ and Sacy's experience played a big part. Now, we've got kids who's easily tilted and the fundamentals is gone
_techpause [#17]Yeah, their retake plays was fucking disgusting, especially on sunset and split.
This SEN is just temu G2
They would annihilate teams who let them retake a site, it's not the same this year
all of the people who are saying sacy was holding them together are actually brainwashed , if you look at any coms videos of sen , sacy is the person to talk the least , i dont know the exact name of the channel but he was being interviewed by a Brazilian blogger , he said he was going to retire in 2024 itself but he saw something different in the team when they won the off season tournament afreeca something league i dont know the exact name of it , sacy was never the person to provide the lets go guys bring this shit back one by one type dude , he doesn’t give those vibes stays silents coms when needed to and says all good we win next when they loose ( not hating on sacy epic player but not the guy who was holding the 2024 sen roaster together)
copingismypassion [#46]all of the people who are saying sacy was holding them together are actually brainwashed , if you look at any coms videos of sen , sacy is the person to talk the least , i dont know the exact name of the channel but he was being interviewed by a Brazilian blogger , he said he was going to retire in 2024 itself but he saw something different in the team when they won the off season tournament afreeca something league i dont know the exact name of it , sacy was never the person to provide the lets go guys bring this shit back one by one type dude , he doesn’t give those vibes stays silents coms when needed to and says all good we win next when they loose ( not hating on sacy epic player but not the guy who was holding the 2024 sen roaster together)
This is so far off than what's being actually said , zellsis has always been that guy no questions asked
Charism [#47]This is so far off than what's being actually said , zellsis has always been that guy no questions asked
epic
copingismypassion [#46]all of the people who are saying sacy was holding them together are actually brainwashed , if you look at any coms videos of sen , sacy is the person to talk the least , i dont know the exact name of the channel but he was being interviewed by a Brazilian blogger , he said he was going to retire in 2024 itself but he saw something different in the team when they won the off season tournament afreeca something league i dont know the exact name of it , sacy was never the person to provide the lets go guys bring this shit back one by one type dude , he doesn’t give those vibes stays silents coms when needed to and says all good we win next when they loose ( not hating on sacy epic player but not the guy who was holding the 2024 sen roaster together)
its not just about talking loud in comms or giving hype. sacy is a guy that pushes fundamentals a lot inside and outside the game. aspas and zekken wouldnt be what they are today without having sacy as a reference. he was always the one pushing discipline the most. i still remember that speech he gave to sen at champions
alienista1 [#49]its not just about talking loud in comms or giving hype. sacy is a guy that pushes fundamentals a lot inside and outside the game. aspas and zekken wouldnt be what they are today without having sacy as a reference. he was always the one pushing discipline the most. i still remember that speech he gave to sen at champions
i mean yea you're right , but i wouldnt say that "zekken is nothing without having sacy as a reference" sure he might look up to him as his inspiration but you and i both know he doesn’t lets quit coping
copingismypassion [#51]i mean yea you're right , but i wouldnt say that "zekken is nothing without having sacy as a reference" sure he might look up to him as his inspiration but you and i both know he doesn’t lets quit coping
nah man i never said zekken is nothing without sacy you just put words in my mouth. what i said is that sacy was a huge reference in terms of discipline and fundamentals for both aspas and zekken, and thats something you cant just ignore
Charism [#20]I can see that, I just remembered how everyone said that bang was a huge upgrade to TenZ at the start of the year
No one said he was a huge upgrade tenz was a top 10 player last year arguably top 5
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