i heard its getting higher but why the FUCK do i get people running solo smoke clove on icebox (or pearl, or anywhere really fuck clove)
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clove is much easier to use, plus she can still smoke even when she's dead making it more convenient for those players who are trying to flex pick
PandaCoco1 [#3]clove is much easier to use, plus she can still smoke even when she's dead making it more convenient for those players who are trying to flex pick
you shouldnt be playing smokes if you have a disability
hellfire [#4]you shouldnt be playing smokes if you have a disability
Listen I hate clove players too, but tbh most people who use clove are just instalock players who didn't get their main agents and decided to run it down with clove instead
w1atrak [#8]It's not a heal 😭
yk what i mean the +50 health thing i havent played in forever
Cope. Clove still has by far the highest non-mirror winrate in ranked. Comps really don't matter much.
morgue [#9]yk what i mean the +50 health thing i havent played in forever
Frick off and study
bro comps do not matter in ranked, i get wanting to have functional comps, thats why i fill in ranked, but also like, it does not matter, you have a better chance winning with 5 players on duelist all comfortable and happy than a perfect team comp and 3 teammates on first time agents mad as fuck
better than clove. at least omen have flash. clove? 0 use agent and idk why the fuck they are picked in either low or high elo.
GarbanzoEnjoyer [#10]Cope. Clove still has by far the highest non-mirror winrate in ranked. Comps really don't matter much.
have you ever put in the thought that clove is the best smurfing agent in the game?
when not being used by a smurf clove is a shit to mid agent at best, you'd provide more value as a player locking omen or astra (or even brim)
PandaCoco1 [#3]clove is much easier to use, plus she can still smoke even when she's dead making it more convenient for those players who are trying to flex pick
Fk clove smokes the recharge time is too long
HIMNIJ [#12]bro comps do not matter in ranked, i get wanting to have functional comps, thats why i fill in ranked, but also like, it does not matter, you have a better chance winning with 5 players on duelist all comfortable and happy than a perfect team comp and 3 teammates on first time agents mad as fuck
the problem is the duelist instalocks in my games are not comfortable on duelist
clove is pretty much useless in high elo games after u put both of ur smokes the cool down is 40 fucking secs the heal is only for 8 secs or smth and the meddle is dog shit and the revive is another extrakill to the enemy in every 4-5 rounds
because u can solo carry with clove if u get fuckass duelists and sentinels that cant entry or hold a site lmfao
stellaresca [#14]have you ever put in the thought that clove is the best smurfing agent in the game?
when not being used by a smurf clove is a shit to mid agent at best, you'd provide more value as a player locking omen or astra (or even brim)
check na leaderboards for ranked the top 3 players have used clove the most lmao
ArterieX [#17]clove is pretty much useless in high elo games after u put both of ur smokes the cool down is 40 fucking secs the heal is only for 8 secs or smth and the meddle is dog shit and the revive is another extrakill to the enemy in every 4-5 rounds
- #1 ranked player last act beating zekken, the most dominant NA ranked player, by over 100 elo: notexxd, a clove one-trick
- #1/2/3 ranked players this act: notexxd (again), ion2x, and canezerra, with 78% 73% and 83% winrates respectively (clove most played)
- basically half the players in top 100 ranked: clove players with absurd winrates
everyones justification for hating clove seems to be "no util!!" but when chamber was absolutely dominant he literally had no team util besides 2 dumbass trips that u could see from a mile away (think they nerfed it to 1 trip at one point and he was still dominant, it was the tp nerfs later that actually killed him). the reason he was GOOD was because he had abilities that KILLED people, just like cloves overheal/meddle/ult. clove is fundamentally obviously a smokes agent but with actual fragging potential and is statistically the most dominant ranked agent especially in higher elos
vexdia [#19]check na leaderboards for ranked the top 3 players have used clove the most lmao
ok so good players are good cloves
but shit players with shit aim (which is what 90% are including me)shouldn’t play AIM characters just to go triple negative on them
reallylargelemon [#20]
- #1 ranked player last act beating zekken, the most dominant NA ranked player, by over 100 elo: notexxd, a clove one-trick
- #1/2/3 ranked players this act: notexxd (again), ion2x, and canezerra, with 78% 73% and 83% winrates respectively (clove most played)
- basically half the players in top 100 ranked: clove players with absurd winrates
everyones justification for hating clove seems to be "no util!!" but when chamber was absolutely dominant he literally had no team util besides 2 dumbass trips that u could see from a mile away (think they nerfed it to 1 trip at one point and he was still dominant, it was the tp nerfs later that actually killed him). the reason he was GOOD was because he had abilities that KILLED people, just like cloves overheal/meddle/ult. clove is fundamentally obviously a smokes agent but with actual fragging potential and is statistically the most dominant ranked agent especially in higher elos
WE ARE NOT RADIANTS PLEASE STOP USING TOP 0,1% OF THE GAME TO JUSTIFY THE PICK 😭😭😭😭
vexdia [#18]because u can solo carry with clove if u get fuckass duelists and sentinels that cant entry or hold a site lmfao
ok but my diamond ass teammates arent radiant they can’t consistently put up numbers hence why omen is better
so many clove instalockers and her smokes last for like a sec so fcking annoying
stellaresca [#23]ok but my diamond ass teammates arent radiant they can’t consistently put up numbers hence why omen is better
fair enough
stellaresca [#22]WE ARE NOT RADIANTS PLEASE STOP USING TOP 0,1% OF THE GAME TO JUSTIFY THE PICK 😭😭😭😭
wdym the only reason I used high elo stats is bc they said "clove is useless in high elo"
Most people pick Clove because they didn't get their instalock and they just wanna play aggro. Ranked =/= Professional, I think that's quite obvious. Comps do not matter as much especially since the majority of the player base is not playing with the strategic efficiency of a radiant or pro player. It's also easier to have one pocket pick smokes and Clove seems easy enough for people to use since it's just tap and place 2 smokes.
This isn't to say other smokes agents are harder by a large margin, but you would have to know how to play more agents if you picked the optimal agent for each map (i.e.: Viper for Icebox/Breeze, Omen for Ascent/Lotus, Astra for Pearl). Clove definitely has huge drawbacks as solo smokes since the duration is quite a bit shorter than other options meaning your team has to play fast and aggressive especially on defence. Also, whilst the smokes after death is seemingly a positive, most players either do not use this or smoke randomly without communication. Furthermore, a lot of these Clove instalocks tend to not care about smoke placements so you end up with some sloppy smokes that benefit the enemies retaking.
Honestly, it's better to have a Clove smokes player than no smokes even in the least optimal maps. Just remember to focus on your game since you most often cannot change what your teammates do when their mindset is most likely run it down.
Skyns [#24]so many clove instalockers and her smokes last for like a sec so fcking annoying
Brimstone: 19.25 seconds
Omen: 15 seconds
Astra: 14.25 seconds
Clove: 13.5 seconds
Harbor: 15 seconds
Viper: 15 seconds
1.5 sec or less duration compared to every character except brim
reallylargelemon [#28]Brimstone: 19.25 seconds
Omen: 15 seconds
Astra: 14.25 seconds
Clove: 13.5 seconds
Harbor: 15 seconds
Viper: 15 seconds1.5 sec or less duration compared to every character except brim
i dont like that u didnt order this from biggest to smallest
stellaresca [#21]ok so good players are good cloves
but shit players with shit aim (which is what 90% are including me)shouldn’t play AIM characters just to go triple negative on them
clove is not an aim character
Alpha679 [#30]i dont like that u didnt order this from biggest to smallest
my fault I copy pasted it from somewhere heh
reallylargelemon [#20]
- #1 ranked player last act beating zekken, the most dominant NA ranked player, by over 100 elo: notexxd, a clove one-trick
- #1/2/3 ranked players this act: notexxd (again), ion2x, and canezerra, with 78% 73% and 83% winrates respectively (clove most played)
- basically half the players in top 100 ranked: clove players with absurd winrates
everyones justification for hating clove seems to be "no util!!" but when chamber was absolutely dominant he literally had no team util besides 2 dumbass trips that u could see from a mile away (think they nerfed it to 1 trip at one point and he was still dominant, it was the tp nerfs later that actually killed him). the reason he was GOOD was because he had abilities that KILLED people, just like cloves overheal/meddle/ult. clove is fundamentally obviously a smokes agent but with actual fragging potential and is statistically the most dominant ranked agent especially in higher elos
the difference is that chamber had a free op, eco pocket guardian, and could teleport halfway across the map (and was good in pro play) whereas clove is a ranked warrior that has a low impact decay, a semi-useful heal which doesnt get impact 80% of the time and a self res that most players run away from. the reason clove frags in ranked is that you can place down your smokes rly quickly and then just hold ur gun out instead of flashing or placing stars (viper can do the same thing as clove on icebox tho)
solo dome smokes is viable on icebox in low/mid elo (not so much above immortal though)
i like lurking mid as viper even if it means sometimes i die and my team plays without smokes but if you just want to play with your team and hit sites then omen/clove is better
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