pANcada. You can call me crazy, but PANcada's entry into stage 2 was an unimaginable mistake, it made Tuyz, who was one of the best controllers of the time, have to change roles again, triggering a terrible performance in stage 2 and making Loud lose its biggest stars (Saadhak and Less)
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Liwus [#2]Tuyz best controllers 😂😂😂😂
Maybe not the best but pretty sure he is the most flexible controller like he can use all the controllers at S tier.
Liwus [#2]Tuyz best controllers 😂😂😂😂
Don't believe me, just check the stats, the only time he started to underperform was when Loud was in a bad phase in stage 1, look at the masters madrid games
i kinda see what you mean, they didn’t get an actual duelist at the time (which was an issue before stage 2 anyway) and getting pancada back instead which fucked the roles up in the team
catNmouse [#5]i kinda see what you mean, they didn’t get an actual duelist at the time (which was an issue before stage 2 anyway) and getting pancada back instead which fucked the roles up in the team
exactly that, they were missing a duelist, and they filled that gap with ANOTHER CONTROLLER??
itsFake [#4]Don't believe me, just check the stats, the only time he started to underperform was when Loud was in a bad phase in stage 1, look at the masters madrid games
Controller Average Stats for Brimstone + Astra + Omen + Harbor (all time):
Player - K/D ---- Average Damage per Round --- Rating 2.0 --- Kast
Pancada - 1.19 --- 134.2 --- 1.13 --- 76%
s0m - 1.16 --- 135.1 --- 1.11 --- 77%
Mako - 1.15 --- 135.0 --- 1.14 --- 78%
Ange1 - 1.14 --- 131.6 --- 0.98 --- 73%
Boo - 1.10 --- 126.6 --- 1.10 --- 75%
Khalil - 1.02 --- 118.0 --- 1.00 --- 75%
Melser - 1.00 --- 120.9 --- 0.99 --- 74%
Tuyz - 0.98 --- 115.5 --- 1.03 --- 75%
Mindfreak 0.98 --- 113.6 --- 0.94 --- 71%
Boaster 0.95 --- 113.1 ---- 0.95 --- 73%
it was a bad move short term but i’d waaaaay rather have pancada long term than tuyz
don’t want to vlr reactionary after one game but holy shit you just lost 2-0 to 2g it’s lukxo time
sideshowsbaldhead [#8]it was a bad move short term but i’d waaaaay rather have pancada long term than tuyz
don’t want to vlr reactionary after one game but holy shit you just lost 2-0 to 2g it’s lukxo time
lukxo is most likely going to replace v0nny
catNmouse [#9]lukxo is most likely going to replace v0nny
no chance it'll be lukxo for tuyz and then v1nny needs to get dropped for a competent flashes player who can shoot
kfan4238173 [#10]ive been saying this ever since v1nny was rumoured to be joing
he’s gonna probably be benched
Liwus [#7]Controller Average Stats for Brimstone + Astra + Omen + Harbor (all time):
Player - K/D ---- Average Damage per Round --- Rating 2.0 --- Kast
Pancada - 1.19 --- 134.2 --- 1.13 --- 76%
s0m - 1.16 --- 135.1 --- 1.11 --- 77%
Mako - 1.15 --- 135.0 --- 1.14 --- 78%
Ange1 - 1.14 --- 131.6 --- 0.98 --- 73%
Boo - 1.10 --- 126.6 --- 1.10 --- 75%
Khalil - 1.02 --- 118.0 --- 1.00 --- 75%
Melser - 1.00 --- 120.9 --- 0.99 --- 74%
Tuyz - 0.98 --- 115.5 --- 1.03 --- 75%
Mindfreak 0.98 --- 113.6 --- 0.94 --- 71%
Boaster 0.95 --- 113.1 ---- 0.95 --- 73%
are you implying khalil is better than mindfreak
catNmouse [#9]lukxo is most likely going to replace v0nny
vinny’s calling has been terroristic at times but surely you bench your poorly performing sentinel player over your igling flex when the sub is an aim demon sentinel player
foythvlr [#13]are you implying khalil is better than mindfreak
yes
Soooo what you’re is that their problem is tuyz sucks at sentinel, great thank god they have lukxo to sub in then
Liwus [#7]Controller Average Stats for Brimstone + Astra + Omen + Harbor (all time):
Player - K/D ---- Average Damage per Round --- Rating 2.0 --- Kast
Pancada - 1.19 --- 134.2 --- 1.13 --- 76%
s0m - 1.16 --- 135.1 --- 1.11 --- 77%
Mako - 1.15 --- 135.0 --- 1.14 --- 78%
Ange1 - 1.14 --- 131.6 --- 0.98 --- 73%
Boo - 1.10 --- 126.6 --- 1.10 --- 75%
Khalil - 1.02 --- 118.0 --- 1.00 --- 75%
Melser - 1.00 --- 120.9 --- 0.99 --- 74%
Tuyz - 0.98 --- 115.5 --- 1.03 --- 75%
Mindfreak 0.98 --- 113.6 --- 0.94 --- 71%
Boaster 0.95 --- 113.1 ---- 0.95 --- 73%
pancada's stats are inflated by playing against bots in vct brazil, compare the post-franchising stats
Liwus [#7]Controller Average Stats for Brimstone + Astra + Omen + Harbor (all time):
Player - K/D ---- Average Damage per Round --- Rating 2.0 --- Kast
Pancada - 1.19 --- 134.2 --- 1.13 --- 76%
s0m - 1.16 --- 135.1 --- 1.11 --- 77%
Mako - 1.15 --- 135.0 --- 1.14 --- 78%
Ange1 - 1.14 --- 131.6 --- 0.98 --- 73%
Boo - 1.10 --- 126.6 --- 1.10 --- 75%
Khalil - 1.02 --- 118.0 --- 1.00 --- 75%
Melser - 1.00 --- 120.9 --- 0.99 --- 74%
Tuyz - 0.98 --- 115.5 --- 1.03 --- 75%
Mindfreak 0.98 --- 113.6 --- 0.94 --- 71%
Boaster 0.95 --- 113.1 ---- 0.95 --- 73%
This is that dumbass post that uses K/D instead of rating as it's first metric to make Tuyz look worse 😭 😭 😭
Liwus [#7]Controller Average Stats for Brimstone + Astra + Omen + Harbor (all time):
Player - K/D ---- Average Damage per Round --- Rating 2.0 --- Kast
Pancada - 1.19 --- 134.2 --- 1.13 --- 76%
s0m - 1.16 --- 135.1 --- 1.11 --- 77%
Mako - 1.15 --- 135.0 --- 1.14 --- 78%
Ange1 - 1.14 --- 131.6 --- 0.98 --- 73%
Boo - 1.10 --- 126.6 --- 1.10 --- 75%
Khalil - 1.02 --- 118.0 --- 1.00 --- 75%
Melser - 1.00 --- 120.9 --- 0.99 --- 74%
Tuyz - 0.98 --- 115.5 --- 1.03 --- 75%
Mindfreak 0.98 --- 113.6 --- 0.94 --- 71%
Boaster 0.95 --- 113.1 ---- 0.95 --- 73%
that’s a terrible metric i’m sorry
uwukitten [#18]pancada's stats are inflated by playing against bots in vct brazil, compare the post-franchising stats
You do realize that basically everyone on this list has been playing pre franchising
DBStudios [#22]You do realize that basically everyone on this list has been playing pre franchising
yeah but other regions weren't as bad as brazil
uwukitten [#23]yeah but other regions weren't as bad as brazil
Basically half of the people on this list played in Brazil what are you on, plus based off what you said how come Khalil, Melser, and Tuyz aren't higher on the list?
DBStudios [#24]Basically half of the people on this list played in Brazil what are you on, plus based off what you said how come Khalil, Melser, and Tuyz aren't higher on the list?
pancada was on a team that was significantly better than the competition, I'm not saying tuyz is necessarily better but these stats have a lot of "issues"
burritx [#20]translation:
tuyz is the problem
translation
he had to change roles twice and is criticized for not being able to do so
lorenzopajaroFC [#17]Soooo what you’re is that their problem is tuyz sucks at sentinel, great thank god they have lukxo to sub in then
pANcada's entry resulted in tuyz's role being changed (once again), the team was terrible after that, and we lost two of our stars
sideshowsbaldhead [#8]it was a bad move short term but i’d waaaaay rather have pancada long term than tuyz
don’t want to vlr reactionary after one game but holy shit you just lost 2-0 to 2g it’s lukxo time
The right thing to do would be to remove Tuyz, and not have two Smokes on the same team
itsFake [#27]pANcada's entry resulted in tuyz's role being changed (once again), the team was terrible after that, and we lost two of our stars
Sorry to break it to you but the was already shit before that
And it’s not like tuyz was the lynchpin carrying the team beforehand lmao
lorenzopajaroFC [#29]Sorry to break it to you but the was already shit before that
And it’s not like tuyz was the lynchpin carrying the team beforehand lmao
in fact it wasn't, and it wasn't even close to being, but with the team that played stage 1, Loud reached the playoffs of the Madrid Masters, where did Loud reach in stage 2? or in the kickoff/stage 1 of this year
itsFake [#30]in fact it wasn't, and it wasn't even close to being, but with the team that played stage 1, Loud reached the playoffs of the Madrid Masters, where did Loud reach in stage 2? or in the kickoff/stage 1 of this year
Just omitting their stage 1 performance, not to mention that kickoff was their best performance since madrid even though tuyz was dragging the whole team down
lorenzopajaroFC [#31]Just omitting their stage 1 performance, not to mention that kickoff was their best performance since madrid even though tuyz was dragging the whole team down
You didn't understand my point, I'm not defending Tuyz as the best controller in the world, I'm saying that the entry of PANcada, who is a controller, basically ended everything in Loud, it would be better if they removed Tuyz and put in PANcada, but not kept both.
skibiditoiletfanhuge [#15]yes
Boaster is better than Marved ahh take
itsFake [#32]You didn't understand my point, I'm not defending Tuyz as the best controller in the world, I'm saying that the entry of PANcada, who is a controller, basically ended everything in Loud, it would be better if they removed Tuyz and put in PANcada, but not kept both.
I mean yes i agree with that, i just don’t see why that would mean pancada is the problem. Also doesn’t the lukxo sub in fix that?
lorenzopajaroFC [#34]I mean yes i agree with that, i just don’t see why that would mean pancada is the problem. Also doesn’t the lukxo sub in fix that?
What I meant is that everything fell apart after putting him on the team, and I also hate that Tuyz is the one being wronged in this story, even though it's not his fault at all.
itsFake [#26]translation
he had to change roles twice and is criticized for not being able to do so
ergo he's the problem
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