cant tell why the general consensus of prx fans just dont wanna say that something is a better player. f0rsaken is very good but he really isn't that much different to chronicle i feel (which isnt a bad thing), even statistically chronicle has been the better player for a long time now. something has been the best player on PRX since joining the roster and there's really no shame admitting to that, he's too good to not have that title.
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doomvor [#2]Who's saying he isn't?
It's that most of these arguments are about flex players
like 99% of people ive seen have said f0rsaken is the best player on PRX just generally. some have said he's the best player in the world even.
doomvor [#2]Who's saying he isn't?
It's that most of these arguments are about flex players
ive def seen more than a couple of people saying f0rsaken is better than something
cartixuzi [#3]like 99% of people ive seen have said f0rsaken is the best player on PRX just generally. some have said he's the best player in the world even.
what the fuck? how messed up are these people???
now i'm starting to understand why people hate PRX fans
disagree [#6]highest rated player for 2 years in vct pacific, ofc he is better, but prx is incomplete without both players
why would you mention that they're incomplete without both players though. i never implied anything like that.
agree. i think overall something is the better player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLtJSpaSLI&ab_channel=Platoon
valEst0rm [#8]agree. i think overall something is the better player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLtJSpaSLI&ab_channel=Platoon
that vid has a lot of flaws so take it was a heavy grain of salt
This is just my opinion, while something looks to be the better player mechanically and has a lot more impact, I still think forsaken is a better player (overall in my eyes) just because he can play all the roles and agents when his team needs it. His Raze debut in Madrid still impressed me because he literally just picked it up and went nuts that game.
Something's willingness to be aggressive yielded a lot of success, but at the same time if he gets punished for it that's one valuable player down. From what I see, forsaken has been playing way more safe, letting Jinggg and something take the frags, but you can't really blame him for being more of a team player to support his teammates for success.
Every player on prx plays their part to contribute to their success, we can go all day arguing who's better than who, but ultimately we can just all agree they're a a team of cracked players who are very fun and heart attack inducing to watch (trolling optional)
doomvor [#5]what the fuck? how messed up are these people???
now i'm starting to understand why people hate PRX fans
The f0rsaken best player itw talk came during madrid swiss stage when he was unironically putting the team on his back on like 6 different agents
SleepyBear [#12]what kind of Discussion even is this, like are u get fuck in the head ? stupid fuck
lmao
Sushi_ [#11]The f0rsaken best player itw talk came during madrid swiss stage when he was unironically putting the team on his back on like 6 different agents
ohhh..... okay that makes a lot more sense. I thought he meant now. Sorry for the messup :(
doomvor [#14]ohhh..... okay that makes a lot more sense. I thought he meant now. Sorry for the messup :(
all good
Something is a better Jett. And probably has higher firepower. But forsaken is a more complete player and is quite literally paper Rex’s saviour. I say forsaken IS a better player and my argument is this: if you asked every other team in VCT which player they’d want to take onto their roster. Almost every team except ones specifically needing a cracked Jett would want forsaken.
doomvor [#5]what the fuck? how messed up are these people???
now i'm starting to understand why people hate PRX fans
you are a dumbass
Every player on prx plays their part to contribute to their success, we can go all day arguing who's better than who, but ultimately we can just all agree they're a a team of cracked players who are very fun and heart attack inducing to watch
Cred: Mebi
CoCloudy [#18]you are a dumbass
Every player on prx plays their part to contribute to their success, we can go all day arguing who's better than who, but ultimately we can just all agree they're a a team of cracked players who are very fun and heart attack inducing to watch
Cred: Mebi
how does that make me a dumbass though lol. you're telling me its impossible to discern whos the best player?
CoCloudy [#18]you are a dumbass
Every player on prx plays their part to contribute to their success, we can go all day arguing who's better than who, but ultimately we can just all agree they're a a team of cracked players who are very fun and heart attack inducing to watch
Cred: Mebi
Yeah, i agree. But what part of this has to do with me being a dumbass? I've forgotten the context the posts happened in, so I assumed they meant now, which would've made no sense. Sushi already corrected that.
Sushi_ [#11]The f0rsaken best player itw talk came during madrid swiss stage when he was unironically putting the team on his back on like 6 different agents
i dont remember him hard carrying like that
Sushi_ [#11]The f0rsaken best player itw talk came during madrid swiss stage when he was unironically putting the team on his back on like 6 different agents
something was better
cartixuzi [#21]i dont remember him hard carrying like that
Played very well in the maps they won
Played well in the maps they lost
While he wasn't hard carrying, he was playing incredibly well on a multitude of agents.
Coures [#24]he's the greatest aimer in the world
that's arguable I'd say, especially if you consider demon1 and yay at their peaks
doomvor [#25]that's arguable I'd say, especially if you consider demon1 and yay at their peaks
he hits the hardest shots with the most consistency
he's the fastest motherfucker on the planet
doomvor [#23]Played very well in the maps they won
Played well in the maps they lost
While he wasn't hard carrying, he was playing incredibly well on a multitude of agents.
we serious? look at the 3 matches as a whole themselves dude. he wasn't putting his team on his backpack, you are straight up disrespecting the other four like that.
cartixuzi [#27]we serious? look at the 3 matches as a whole themselves dude. he wasn't putting his team on his backpack, you are straight up disrespecting the other four like that.
and u are disrespecting forsaken, dumb fuck...they all in the same team... why did u bring this stupid topic even dumbass bich
whats the point ? this better that better...okay ? so what ?
cartixuzi [#27]we serious? look at the 3 matches as a whole themselves dude. he wasn't putting his team on his backpack, you are straight up disrespecting the other four like that.
I just said he wasn't hard carrying. It's that he played very well(was top fragging or close to in almost all these maps), while playing a bunch of different agents. Keep in mind f0rsaken is also PRX's IGL(at least, as close to an IGL as they have), so he's also shot calling while playing this well.
this is a pointless discussion u can make a million points and arguments that something is better and vise versa
does it really matter?
all of them are a key part of prx and WGAMING, it doesnt matter whos better or whos worse, they are all top tier players
stats aren't everything and its especially hard to compare these 2 because they play different roles and contribute to prx differently
u cant compare an apple to a orange
they also have slightly different playstyles
Arguable. f0rsaken switched from duelist to every support agents and still be able to top frag when his team needed. It's a lot harder to have consistent good stats when you focus on set up your teammates. aim though something > f0rsaken. You can't say any player on this team is the best. They always have their own moment. It's not a clear cut situation on some other teams like LEV...
Mebi [#10]This is just my opinion, while something looks to be the better player mechanically and has a lot more impact, I still think forsaken is a better player (overall in my eyes) just because he can play all the roles and agents when his team needs it. His Raze debut in Madrid still impressed me because he literally just picked it up and went nuts that game.
Something's willingness to be aggressive yielded a lot of success, but at the same time if he gets punished for it that's one valuable player down. From what I see, forsaken has been playing way more safe, letting Jinggg and something take the frags, but you can't really blame him for being more of a team player to support his teammates for success.
Every player on prx plays their part to contribute to their success, we can go all day arguing who's better than who, but ultimately we can just all agree they're a a team of cracked players who are very fun and heart attack inducing to watch (trolling optional)
if someone is playing better valorant then someone else then imo theyre just the better player. You can flex as much as you want but you actually have to be outperforming players who aren't to be considered better than them. Demon1 on smokes was only crazy as it was last year not because he was flexing a weird role as a duelist, it was crazy because he was literally the best smokes of the tourney.
I feel like a lot of these takes stem from the fact that something just has a lot more competition for his role compared to f0rsaken who only has Chronicle. It's easy to say that f0rsaken is better than something if we compare them to the top players in the roles they play (like aspas > something), but that shouldn't be the case.
For example, visualize Chronicle playing for PRX over f0rsaken, would you consider him to be better than something or worse? Chronicle has been just as much as a flex as f0rsaken with better stats the past two years + three titles (although one of them is kek//in), but I feel like a lot of people would still say something is the better player if they played on the same team.
myfatherr [#32]Arguable. f0rsaken switched from duelist to every support agents and still be able to top frag when his team needed. It's a lot harder to have consistent good stats when you focus on set up your teammates. aim though something > f0rsaken. You can't say any player on this team is the best. They always have their own moment. It's not a clear cut situation on some other teams like LEV...
dont mind him, hes f0rsakeN haters
cartixuzi [#33]if someone is playing better valorant then someone else then imo theyre just the better player. You can flex as much as you want but you actually have to be outperforming players who aren't to be considered better than them. Demon1 on smokes was only crazy as it was last year not because he was flexing a weird role as a duelist, it was crazy because he was literally the best smokes of the tourney.
I feel like a lot of these takes stem from the fact that something just has a lot more competition for his role compared to f0rsaken who only has Chronicle. It's easy to say that f0rsaken is better than something if we compare them to the top players in the roles they play (like aspas > something), but that shouldn't be the case.
For example, visualize Chronicle playing for PRX over f0rsaken, would you consider him to be better than something or worse? Chronicle has been just as much as a flex as f0rsaken with better stats the past two years + three titles (although one of them is kek//in), but I feel like a lot of people would still say something is the better player if they played on the same team.
okay something is the best player in the wolrd WOHOOO CONGRATZZZ YAYY 🎉🎉🎉
something >>BIG GAP>>>> Aspass >>>>GAP>>>>>GAP>>>>>>GAP>>>>>GAP>>>> foreskin
are u happy now ? maybe win some Thropy no ?
It's a never-ending debate if you want to argue who is their best player, it is not all about your aim or kills. For instance, Jinggg wasn't fragging too well when he rejoined their roster, but his movement alone helped to create so much space for the team.
In the same vein, F0rsaken has mainly been playing a support role. He's been setting up kills for Jinggg and Something in Lotus especially on Breach. The fact that he is so flexible with agents also allows the whole team to play different or unorthodox comps. Thinking that fragging / "carrying" = best player is quite shallow imo, it is natural for a duelist to have more freedom in taking duels.
Heres' my take
Aim: Something / Jinggg / F0rsaken
Movement / Entry: Jinggg
Flexibility: F0rsaken
Calling / Decision Making: Something
SleepyBear [#35]okay something is the best player in the wolrd WOHOOO CONGRATZZZ YAYY 🎉🎉🎉
something >>BIG GAP>>>> Aspass >>>>GAP>>>>>GAP>>>>>>GAP>>>>>GAP>>>> foreskin
are u happy now ? maybe win some Thropy no ?
do you have a disability or something, f0rsaken is still a top tier player and i rate him as the 2nd best player on PRX, why do you absolutely despise the fact that there are people out there that believe something is just the better player? if you're losing your mind over the fact that there could be another player on PRX that's better than f0rsaken then you were never a fan of the team lol, stop replying to me schizo.
Utolevia [#36]It's a never-ending debate if you want to argue who is their best player, it is not all about your aim or kills. For instance, Jinggg wasn't fragging too well when he rejoined their roster, but his movement alone helped to create so much space for the team.
In the same vein, F0rsaken has mainly been playing a support role. He's been setting up kills for Jinggg and Something in Lotus especially on Breach. The fact that he is so flexible with agents also allows the whole team to play different or unorthodox comps. Thinking that fragging / "carrying" = best player is quite shallow imo, it is natural for a duelist to have more freedom in taking duels.
Heres' my take
Aim: Something / Jinggg / F0rsaken
Movement / Entry: Jinggg
Flexibility: F0rsaken
Calling / Decision Making: Something
Why something for calling? f0rsaken is primary IGL(at least, as close to an IGL PRX has)
cartixuzi [#37]do you have a disability or something, f0rsaken is still a top tier player and i rate him as the 2nd best player on PRX, why do you absolutely despise the fact that there are people out there that believe something is just the better player? if you're losing your mind over the fact that there could be another player on PRX that's better than f0rsaken then you were never a fan of the team lol, stop replying to me schizo.
why did u bring this stupid topic even ? IDIOTS
WHAT THE POINT OF U MAKING THIS USELESS ASS THREAD,
THEY AL IN THE SAME TEAM DUMB FUCK, Acually Braindead
SleepyBear [#39]why did u bring this stupid topic even ? IDIOTS
WHAT THE POINT OF U MAKING THIS USELESS ASS THREAD,
THEY AL IN THE SAME TEAM DUMB FUCK, Acually Braindead
because its a discussion forum to talk about the topic dumbass lmfao. is the thought of comparing players a forbidden sin to you? stfu for me you are insanely butthurt for thinking I hate f0rsaken out of thin air.
cartixuzi [#40]because its a discussion forum to talk about the topic dumbass lmfao. is the thought of comparing players a forbidden sin to you? stfu for me you are insanely butthurt for thinking I hate f0rsaken out of thin air.
womp womp stupid fuck, go fuck ur self idiots
doomvor [#38]Why something for calling? f0rsaken is primary IGL(at least, as close to an IGL PRX has)
I recalled Alecks mentioning that Something and F0rsaken do most of the calling in one of the post match interview but when watching their voice comms, Something seems to be more vocal. Guess that may be debatable.
Nevertheless, I still feel Something knows better when to take risks and he has a better read on enemies
cartixuzi [#33]if someone is playing better valorant then someone else then imo theyre just the better player. You can flex as much as you want but you actually have to be outperforming players who aren't to be considered better than them. Demon1 on smokes was only crazy as it was last year not because he was flexing a weird role as a duelist, it was crazy because he was literally the best smokes of the tourney.
I feel like a lot of these takes stem from the fact that something just has a lot more competition for his role compared to f0rsaken who only has Chronicle. It's easy to say that f0rsaken is better than something if we compare them to the top players in the roles they play (like aspas > something), but that shouldn't be the case.
For example, visualize Chronicle playing for PRX over f0rsaken, would you consider him to be better than something or worse? Chronicle has been just as much as a flex as f0rsaken with better stats the past two years + three titles (although one of them is kek//in), but I feel like a lot of people would still say something is the better player if they played on the same team.
I see where you're coming from, the better players mechanically usually play the duelist role, that's where the superstars are - and with the plays something does, I'd say he isn't playing gekko like how normally other players do lol.
For me it's actually the other way around, instead of comparing with others, let's say, you would want to build a super team, and you can only choose forsaken as the flex OR something as the duelist for the team (ignoring the fact that most people would build a team without these two), who would you pick? I would say I would rather pick forsaken just because his versatility compared to other players, and the ability to perform at such a high level, is very near unmatched. Heck if he needs to he can also play duelist too).
Mebi [#45]I see where you're coming from, the better players mechanically usually play the duelist role, that's where the superstars are - and with the plays something does, I'd say he isn't playing gekko like how normally other players do lol.
For me it's actually the other way around, instead of comparing with others, let's say, you would want to build a super team, and you can only choose forsaken as the flex OR something as the duelist for the team (ignoring the fact that most people would build a team without these two), who would you pick? I would say I would rather pick forsaken just because his versatility compared to other players, and the ability to perform at such a high level, is very near unmatched. Heck if he needs to he can also play duelist too).
nah I get what you mean, it's just that I personally rate Chronicle to be as good as f0rsaken if not slightly better, but I feel like if we ran a poll on the people that say f0rsaken > something on whether or not something > Chronicle, a substantial majority would say its true when that wouldn't make much sense. That's just completely my opinion tho but with all this talk about f0rsaken being "unmatched" in his role, idk.
cartixuzi [#46]nah I get what you mean, it's just that I personally rate Chronicle to be as good as f0rsaken if not slightly better, but I feel like if we ran a poll on the people that say f0rsaken > something on whether or not something > Chronicle, a substantial majority would say its true when that wouldn't make much sense. That's just completely my opinion tho but with all this talk about f0rsaken being "unmatched" in his role, idk.
Yeah reasonable point. I guess vlr isn't the best place to be having discussions without people going over the top with their comparisons and opinions.
heavensentsaint [#49]everyone knows d4v4i and mindfreak r carrying this team
mindfreak is the fucking captain of prx he's like the ONE guy that can't be replaced
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