is tenz the goat?

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kanyefan4238173

i think he is because i dont wanna say d0rke or yay

chronicle still good tho, it can be him

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no, but close

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SquareMars

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all these dumbass takes below

2 championships are still 2 championships

4 total events holds him back tho

Only people I'd put above are Derke and Chronicle (Maybe Aspas)

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FrenchToast

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even if he’s not, he’s still mine since 2020 🥲

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paulinmagic

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GOAT OF WHAT?????

are you still in 2021?

my bro was frozen for like 2 years, then he wins something and all of a sudden hes the goat

damn

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cboomer

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the games only been out for like 4 years and he was the best player for two of those lol

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paulinmagic

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2024 is not over yet, how can you say that?

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cboomer

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2020, 2021

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paulinmagic

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there weren't any internacional tournaments in 2020

plus, he was playing against milkmen.

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cboomer

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no valorant scene developed really fast lol there was the entire NA t2/3 CS scene within a few months lmfao

its not like he had an unfair advantage

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paulinmagic

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INTERNACIONAL EVENTS BRO.

how can he be the goat of 2020 if there was no one to compete against?(internacionally)

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cboomer

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wym nobody to compete against na was closer to sentinels than the rest of the world was lol

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kanyefan4238173

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but the fact he came back proves he does have longevity, unlike yay (for example) who was only good from mid 2021 to 2022.

tenz also has the high peak necessary

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Conceit

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This is such a weird argument, cause I mean it's not like y0y can't come back. Would he then be the goat? Realistically the goat has to be someone consistent and amazing. And frankly, neither have proven they are consistent yet.

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paulinmagic

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Plus, he has never won a champions

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Alexsei

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you cant be the goat when you have good performance at farmers event then go missing for 2 years, come back and play good for 1 event.

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kanyefan4238173

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well ur russian so you might say chronicle, i think thats very fair cause hes won the most in valorant. also has the longevity cause he was very good at kickoff despite d0rke selling him

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Psion

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yall are crazy lmao he's not even the best goat convo person on his team, sacy is.

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Asuna_Yuuki

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No

It is Saadhak and it isn’t even debatable

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SquareMars

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Yeah I guess you are delusional holy fuck

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Bro name one player with the same amount of consistency and top placements as him

GOAT rewards consistency

Just because TenZ won 2 tournaments and hasn’t done anything else doesn’t make him the GOAT

This is objective analysis

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Didn't say Tenz was the goat

Derke has done more than Saadhak

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bro said d0rke I'm dead😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Imo saadhak clears just because of the many iterations of rosters he has done it with

Multiple top 4 finishes with 3 different iterations of LOUD

Derke only found success with the FNC superteam

I know FOR A FACT that saadhak is the reason behind LOUD’s success but I can’t say the same about Derke for FNC

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Psion

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bro why is he choosing to argue with you on THIS of everything. you have so many delusional takes the 1 time u talk some sense this happens though lmao

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Asuna_Yuuki

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My takes are very sensible wdym

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Psion

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LOL good one

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Asuna_Yuuki

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They really are

Its just that a lot of you guys hate NRG

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Psion

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bro i remembering you saying YAY was gonna be great on either C9 or disguised i forget which, there is at least some delusion in there (same with me and FUT in 2021)

continue thread →

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Derke made many international events with different rosters in FNC, almost winning the first masters with them.

Only thing though is that Saadhak isn't carrying these games, it's Aspas and Less mainly.

Not saying he isn't in the running, which I fs think he is and COULD be one day, I just think he's been carried too much and Derke carried FNC to those lans.

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Psion

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bro what? derke was no where close to winning champions 2021.....

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SquareMars

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Masters 1 Iceland, I edited my original post for clarity

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Psion

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championship- a contest for the position of champion in a sport, often involving a series of games or matches.
the champions of 2021 were acend, not SEN, not GMB
LMAO crazy u edited both posts awww

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my brother in christ winning masters is prob harder than winning champions

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Psion

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derke has

1 less event apperearance
1 more playoff apperance
1 less podium finish
1 more event win
no championships
no igling ability (compared to the greatest igl in terms of calling and everything like that, invented viper harbor meta and got top 4 ITW with the phoenix comp)
explain where the fuck derke has done more

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SquareMars

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No championships is not relavent, I'd argue that Champions is easier to win in than Masters because a third of the teams are from LCQ and don't even belong there.

Podium finishing really doesn't matter, I guarantee you no one is sitting there saying "If only he placed one spot higher he'd be good"

Igling ability is subjective, different people have different roles. I could argue that Saadhak can entry on the same level as Derke.

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Psion

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Derke never being a champion not mattering is crazy, if you choke at the final hurdle in the biggest tournaments (like Derke did in 2021, 2022, and 2023)

2021 map 3 vs KRU
https://www.vlr.gg/51293/fnatic-vs-kr-esports-valorant-champions-qf/?game=57974&tab=overview
2022 map 3 vs DRX
https://www.vlr.gg/130689/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2022-lr2/?game=95147&tab=overview
2023 map 3 vs LOUD
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3/?game=137658&tab=overview
IT HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING
igling is its own thing, seperate from things like entrying and anchoring idk why you are comparing them. IGLing is leading a team, saadhak is the smartest player in valorant's history and it shows in his igling

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SquareMars

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like i said in another thread that you are brainlessly arguing with me in, champions is easier to win in than Masters, the size of the bracket doesn't matter

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Psion

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you have said NOTHING to support the idea of champs being easier to win. either way you have to beat everybody to win(and LCQ teams have gotten top 4 at international events before too) and there is MORE pressure at champs

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There is not as much pressure when I'm playing against Poverty franchise Kru and Fut in the first round of a tournament versus prime FNC at Tokyo. Most of the round 1 games at Champions are heavy favorites and no good games to watch.

If I get a horrid group like FNC did in 2023 It's basically a bye round into a top 8 bracket anyway, and they got so much time off for beating Zeta and BiliBili. While other teams had to play way more games to stay alive while they were learning from them. If I'm EDG or DRX in Champions I'm having to pull out every strat I have to make it out while FNC basically get a bye

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Psion

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saadhak is the clear #1 what are u even on about
plenty of places and reasons to call him #1 and this is NOT one of them

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tsmsobadholy

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chronicle or aspas

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justo

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I think this year has helped him rise up again but Chronicle and his 3 trophies makes him be the goat for now. This trophy has definitely elevated TenZ a lot

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G2thelion

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Chronicle disrespect is so annoying tbh

3 international titles
2 different teams
got cucked in 2022
Hardest role in the team

2nd best rated player at masters Berlin which they won
4th best rated players at champs 2021 (2nd place)
1.11 rating (300+ rounds) at lock-in which they won
3rd best rated at masters tokyo which they won
Lowest placement at an international tournament was 4th at champs in which he underperformed for the first time in his career

False narrative that he got carried in his title wins