top 3 Best debut of every year

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2021: First professional year so doesn't count
2022:

Aspas
Less
(options for 3rd: Shyy, Cryocells, trent, Alfajer, Zmjjkk, trexx)

2023:

Demon1
something
(AtaKaptan, Carpe, invy, runi, jakee)

2024 (rn):

Karon
N4RRATE
DECIDE BRO, FIRST "JOHNQT" then "WHY JOHNQT" stop bro

any change you want let me know
and help me with N°2/3 in 2022, N°3 in 2023

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babi

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johnqt over benjy and n4rrate

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Psion

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benjy yes n4rrate no, top rated player at madrid (he should be #1)

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Hyopic

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Karon and JohnQT are in the grand finals, at least until shanghai we should consider them > N4RRATE

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OkOkay

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n4rrate #1 Masters, #2 EMEA. Hes the best player so far. Not to mention he does hella calling

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I think N4RRATE has the skill to be the best player in the world, really though in this tournament, Karon and JohnQT outshine him imo. I definitely think N4RRATE will be at least above JohnQT by the end of the year, if not Karon as well (although if GEN.G win the event, I find it hard to believe that Karon will stagnate)

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judging someone based on only how high they place is crazy, I guess Kiles is better than F0rsakeN and Zekken

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Hyopic

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In 2021, yeah I would. That's like saying Cloud is better than Leo just because he can perform on his team; Leo has shown better placements and has performed on his team several times.

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LMAO thats actually fucking crazy. You think Kiles was better in 2021 than Yay????

Leo also has consistently played better Cloud, dont get me wrong Clouds incredible but Leo makes literally no mistakes

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Literally never said that, you asked if he was better than f0rsaken and zekken back then and he probably was.

That's what im saying about N4RRATE, at least with Karon and JohnQT, they're kind of guaranteed to show up the next few events with how their whole team is performing and if either of them wins the tournament then they're pretty much guaranteed champs. If N4RRATE doesn't show up to Shanghai because FNATIC or NAVI or both play to their top performance then he can't ever be the "rookie of the year" compared to JohnQT and Karon. I think it's too soon to determine for N4RRATE but I do think he is capable of doing it. This is the reason players like Alfajer in 2022 or Jawgemo in 2022 couldn't be considered rookies of their year; neither fully reached their potential until 2023 while other players did in 2022, that's fine, they're still incredible players that always perform for their teams but it's not deserving of that title IMO.

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N4RRATE is better than johnqt bro

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LocoMonteiro

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How is benjyfishy on here if there are literally 2 better Rookies on his team

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TM06Nick

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They saw split and brain turn off

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bro i just hate benjy and i only remember him
i didn't remember johnqt

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Typer

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Runi and jake?

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Americas Regular League was incredible for C9
both played very well

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JohnQT over benjy, benjy also debuted in 2023

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yeah my bad i forgot johnqt
(benjy played 1 match bro isn't too much)

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makes sense

aspas first lan 2nd - won champs
demon1 first lan 2nd - won champs
karon first lan (guaranteed 2nd) - champs contending team

come back when geng win champs!

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Hashib

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peak script?

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abhaudk

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bro got the script

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deadpark

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take my energy Jão Gee

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widepeepofrosty

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if geng wants to win the biggest trophy, they unfortunately must lose this tournament

if they win this one then they are not winning champs

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deadpark

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shhhhh, dont spell the curse

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oops 😳

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Jinggg 2022?

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he was in 2021 LCQ

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Arosu

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Jingg debuted for PRX in 2021 and even then he wasnt crazy insane either. there were a lot more players that year that were better. Jinggg got much better around the end of 22 and mid 23

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MiniBoo’s debut was definitely better than Benjy, plus technically Benjy debuted in 2023

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MiniBoo played the 2022 ascension with Case so i consider he already debuted
also the reason why FUT players aren't in 2023

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Ascension is not tier 1

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en 2022 el ascension y la semiliga que habia arriba no eran tan distantes como ahora
diferencias con las franquicias

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Estás pensando en el Ascension de antes de franquicias, que se puede debatir. Pero el Ascension en el que compitió MiniBoo fue el último, no había tier 1 ya estábamos en franquicias

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ya pero para ese momento eran de lo mejor que habia en europa, o me diras que BIG y FOKUS eran mejoores que FUT y VIT
ahora con franquicias es mas facil esto pero antes era imposible

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Que un equipo de tier 2 sea mejor que uno de tier 1 no quiere decir que sea tier 1. Comparalo con el futbol, los equipos que suben suelen ser mejores que los que bajan pero no quiere decir que fuesen de la primera division hasta que no suben.

De todas maneras insisto, MiniBoo no participó en ese ascension, solo en el ultimo

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ya bro pero en ese momento no habia la diferenciacion con franquicias
el ascension tenia un valor gigante realmente y MiniBoo gano, lo mismo por lo que no habia puesto a Johnqt porque tambien era un jugador que llevaba bastante en un T2 estable
son jugadores que ya tienen experiencia no como Aspas o Less que jugaban en equipos medio bajos de brazil
o N4RRATE que hasta descendio

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De nuevo, te estás confundiendo con MiniBoo, el solo ha jugado 1 ascension y fue este último con Case y Lucas Rojo

Pero bueno entiendo lo que dices, simplemente no lo comparto

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then why include johnqt?

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lilcheese

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carpe?

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he got into every international tournament

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top 3 this year

Karon
Zekken
N4RRATE

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zekken lit been playing a lot in T1

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johnqt doesn't belong in a debutant list lol.... what logic did you use to include him, if you consider trent a top3 debutant in 2022, and trent lost to john in 2022 NA Challengers (tier 1 at the time) ?

this makes no sense lol

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smthlikeyou11

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2022 Less and Pancada

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koromast

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you didnt put s0m 2023? also daveeys

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Amine 100% clears N4rrate

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spaldingmatters

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How is JohnQT a debutant, he was playing high level tier 1 back in 2022.

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Ernno

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Less and Alfajer for 2022

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Alfajer over Cryo and trexx? i don't know bro

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Ernno

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for sure over trexx