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Good Viper Nerf

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#1
cioccolat

A good way to Nerf Viper without killing her, would be to switch the signature with the orb.
Instead of getting the wall for free every round, she gets the poison orb, and needs to instead buy the wall, for like 300. That way you Nerf her economy, and she becomes less impactful on defense as her wall can't be thrown willy billy anymore

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nguyenboi
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not a bad idea ngl, rito should take notes

#3
danii1
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Damn I didn't really think of that. That's a cool idea tbh

#4
Agx192
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That will change nothing

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Shawn23
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nguyenboi [#2]

not a bad idea ngl, rito should take notes

nah, the real way you nerf her is to make her wall/orb is to make it a radius instead of world wide, like KJ Util.

its a alright nerf without killing her, but also takes away that full blown lurk capability for offense and takes away being across the map on defense.

maybe tune down the decay a bit too or something

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Buttfangs
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Make it so you cant pick up the orb after 3 seconds pf being thrown

#7
aJAYYY
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Why u need to nerf viper she already balanced

#8
Pato_Galactico
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aJAYYY [#7]

Why u need to nerf viper she already balanced

Bro lives in a pineapple under the sea

#9
Karmine_Org_WhispeR
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The beat way is to buff Harbor, and the rest of the sentinels.

#10
IceFoxx00
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Something rito can do is remove the fuel bar and make it activation based. 2 activations that can be cancelled anytime but consumes a charge.

That would make her be more mindful of when to activate the smokes.

#11
TheAqif
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the best nerf is make the wall last the whole round and the molly does 150 damage without orb, with orb it does 600 damage
all in all
i think these are very balanced changes

#12
Tyekai
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Karmine_Org_WhispeR [#9]

The beat way is to buff Harbor, and the rest of the sentinels.

Did you mean Sentinels (Sage, KJ, Cypher, Chamber) or controllers (Brim, Omen, Astra, Harbor)?

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Karmine_Org_WhispeR
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Tyekai [#12]

Did you mean Sentinels (Sage, KJ, Cypher, Chamber) or controllers (Brim, Omen, Astra, Harbor)?

i meant Harbor and the sentinels agents

When chamber was meta, viper was never a must use on maps like split and fracture. Not only does the map pool favor viper really well she’s also just better to pick over sentinel agents (e.g. kj and cypher who were supposed to be meta since chamber nerf). If rito did some massive changes on the sentinel role we would probably have a more balanced meta an not see the likes of Viper every map

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cioccolat
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danii1 [#3]

Damn I didn't really think of that. That's a cool idea tbh

Thanks Dani

#15
envyz
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wall should be 400 minimum its way stronger than a sage wall.

#16
cartixuzi
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i dont think a -300 eco nerf is it bro

#17
EntryKJ
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Just buff harbor, cypher, deadlock, KJ, sage.

#18
doomvor
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EntryKJ [#17]

Just buff harbor, cypher, deadlock, KJ, sage.

Easier to nerf one agent then buff five seperate ones

If the other agents aren't providing good competition and therefore deservers a buff making people go to those agents, why not nerf the top agent and therefore make people go to the other agents? It could work both ways.

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doomvor [#18]

Easier to nerf one agent then buff five seperate ones

If the other agents aren't providing good competition and therefore deservers a buff making people go to those agents, why not nerf the top agent and therefore make people go to the other agents? It could work both ways.

Initiators and controllers give more value than sentinels right now.

Viper is not overpowered like Chamber was. Viper is just a better choice than sentinels for the current play style.

I agree with OP's nerf idea of switching the orb and wall.

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EntryKJ [#19]

Initiators and controllers give more value than sentinels right now.

Viper is not overpowered like Chamber was. Viper is just a better choice than sentinels for the current play style.

I agree with OP's nerf idea of switching the orb and wall.

Then why suggest buffing the other agents?

#21
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IceFoxx00 [#10]

Something rito can do is remove the fuel bar and make it activation based. 2 activations that can be cancelled anytime but consumes a charge.

That would make her be more mindful of when to activate the smokes.

wait bro is cooking, actually 1000iq change

#22
EntryKJ
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doomvor [#20]

Then why suggest buffing the other agents?

I was joking. You can nerf viper.

However, to have a balanced agent pick rate, it's not enough for agents to be at similar levels. You also need variety in maps. You need to make maps so that different agents are suitable on different maps. Otherwise, pros will start moving towards a few agents again after a while. Then you nerf again, and the cycle continues until all the agents have weaker abilities as time goes on.

The bigger issue in Valorant right now is the difference in value between movement duelists and non-movement duelists. Movement is valuable on every map, and flash initiators offer more value than flash duelists - leading to extremely low pick rates for flash duelists.

#23
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danii1 [#3]

Damn I didn't really think of that. That's a cool idea tbh

dani?

#24
danii1
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cioccolat [#14]

Thanks Dani

No problem :3

#25
danii1
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danixd [#23]

dani?

Yeah?

#26
Froggy0_0
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danii1 [#25]

Yeah?

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#27
Cromawarrior48
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dont nerf viper.
90% of the people here cant even play viper

#28
0fcuZ
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As a viper main, pls no more nerf

#29
0fcuZ
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Cromawarrior48 [#27]

dont nerf viper.
90% of the people here cant even play viper

y0y

#30
Cromawarrior48
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0fcuZ [#29]

y0y

yea him

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