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Viper Nerfs

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#1
KRATOSmimir21

Viper def needs to be nerfed but what changes would they make? Imo, reducing the fuel heavily would ruin her so instead u could:

  • Make orb not able to be picked up again
  • Remove vulvernable from snake bite
  • Reduce snake bite time
  • Maybe go down to one snake bite also

This would make her pick rate less across other maps but still keep her a main on some

Thoughts?

#2
Psion
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she doesn't need a nerf she needs an alternative

#4
AnguAngu
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that's what new agent is trying to be, both an alternative second smokes and someone who could be able to lurk and still powerful

#6
KRATOSmimir21
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But thats what harbor was supposed to be

#11
Psion
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harbor was supposed to be an alternative for solo controller comps on icebox and breeze, not a direct 1:1

#10
IsaaaValorant
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no way dude 😭 literally no team wouldn’t play viper and the other wall smoker, viper by herself is way too strong and needs a nerf.

#12
4rrowlol
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she does need a nerf lmao delusion, there's a reason harbor is not picked nearly as much as viper despite being literally the alternative agent

#13
Psion
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harbor is not a hybrid senti-controller. he was made as an alternative main solo controller on breeze and icbeox, not an alternative senti-controller hybrid

#15
4rrowlol
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???? he doesn't have to be? he's a wall smoker with a reuseable wall, and the devs quite literally said explicitly that viper was too strong and needed competition so they introduced harbor, only for them to royally fuck up and not nerf viper enough, if you don't think the way vipers kit works is broken then idk what to say

#17
Psion
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Yeah you pointed out the controller parts of their kits which I said harbor was an alternative to, but u seemingly left out the fact harbor has no senti utility. She needs an alternative SENTI-CONTROLLER HYBRID, not an alternative wall smoker

#19
KyLZi
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Harbor was that alternative and Loud just used both LOL

#20
Psion
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He’s an alternative wall controller, not an alternative senti-controller hybrid

#21
KyLZi
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sure. but whats the point if they are just the same thing?

#22
Psion
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Harbor works with viper because his wall is much more flexible, viper’s is rigid. I don’t think 2 vipers would be optimal on lotus, sunset, ascent, split, and maybe bind

#24
KyLZi
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makes sense. I guess I was thinking of valo moving away from agents with wall smokes being meta.

#3
Tameness
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Just get rid of the shitty viper maps (breeze/icebox)

#9
KRATOSmimir21
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That works too

#5
PuGGey
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viper is picked for comfort not because shes crazy OP. she makes the game less chaotic and brings a sense of "standard". she also happens to be really good on 5/7 the maps and is playable on basically all of them. viper opens up the game and the meta, she doesnt close it or narrow it down. the real solution is a new map pool

#7
Cromawarrior48
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it's the map pool my guy

#8
EnzoLS12
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shorter wall

#14
4rrowlol
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snakebite isnt the problem and is honestly the worst part of her kit, which is crazy, her problem is her fuel and how it works, with 2 of her abilities being rechargeable infinitely while ALSO being the best smokes in the game, it just makes no sense why you wouldn't pick her on every map.

#16
AkameSKJ
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She can't change how the map's played on attack and be a viable anchor on defense as well, so I think they should reduce her Molly count to 1(and in return make that 1 Molly actually able to kill people w heavy shields as it only does ~136dmg).

Also imo give her a max fuel so she can't just have infinite vision denial w a wall that can cut 3 different angles at once. I would say a total fuel amount of 45-60 sec(can only stay up for a max of 15sec at a time) but I'd rather the devs figure the perfect number. Definitely don't reduce the current fuel's recharge rate, it's fine as it is.

It's not a map pool problem she is just innately too strong, I say this as a viper main. I just pray pray and pray they don't butcher her like they did chamber

#18
Conceit
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Everyone saying map pool don't know what they're talking about, every map out of the pool right now was also getting viper played in them. Anyways yeah she needs a pretty hefty nerf. Adding an alternative will just do what harbor did and they will be played together, because frankly, on most maps double controller is usually better than any other double role on a pro level.

#23
Kayjaer
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Dont nerf agents, buff other agents instead or even bring a new one into the Game

A upcoming smoker need an ability for permanent presure like the a smoke Where you Can only place ones but be able to activate every 10 seconds for example than wait 10 seconds and activate it again
So you Can create presure every few seconds somewhere at the Map
2 like orbs or whatever of them should be fine

As well you need one more Smoking ability which is more flexible

I will publish an Agent Concept soon

Excuse my English boys and Girls

#25
Psion
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Ur English is great brother

#26
kaninv
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all understandable
no worries we understood you and I agree
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