NRG v SEN player qual

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not counting antistrats and allat, i think sen is pretty on par with NRG individually in terms of mechanical skill and utility

JohnQT>Ethan(as an igl), Victor(as a senti)
Tenz<Ethan(ini), Marved(smokes)
Zekken=Demon1 (taking into account zekken having 250+ rounds of consistent performance)
Sacy=Crashies
Zellsis=Ethan(ini)

I think we're overblowing the whole antistrat by Chet out of proportion, sure they will know what to expect sometimes, but teams have had too much material and still won, FNC, PRX have had their vods up for a whole season and still won.

SEN has a saving grace in having played really good teams and being more in 'form' because they've had too many close maps this tourney, will help them adapt to situations better than say NRG, who breezed through.

It's a pretty fair matchup, 55-45 imo in favour of SEN (I'm biased), but thoughts?

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NRG clears in every aspect are you deluded bruv?

Demon1 duelist > Zekken duelist
Crashies initiator > Sacy initiator
Victor sentinel > Johnqt sentinel
Marved controller > TenZ controller
Ethan flex > Zellsis

Chet singh also clears Kaplan

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tell me how bro, calling me deluded is not a good counter argument 😭

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Done

Should all be self explanatory

NRG have better achievements + better stats

It makes 0 sense to favor SEN here

Demon1 and Ethan alone earnings check SEN

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achievement wise (looking at players not org) SEN lowkey better but that's never been a good factor to favor one over the other, look at how yay has fallen from grace.

earnings too idt it matters that much

i think Crashies as an initiator is mad overrated though, sacy better than him on everything except skye

chet>kaplan yeah this is valid

marved and tenz I'd put on the same level in terms of impact but tenz slightly outfrags him in most cases

it'll be very close for sure

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Sacy sucks

Man won his first official sova match in like a year

Crashies clears on every single initaitor in the game and the achievements and stats can back me up on that

On paper it shouldn’t be close, NRG should demolish them

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90d or All time stats sacy clears Crashies big time, again maybe exept on skye

do not forget sacy won champs and was the best initiator in the world that year

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Obviously sacy will have the better all time stats because he got to farm Brazil for 80% of his career

Look at what happened once he had to face NA teams

If you look at last year which is most relevant in determining performances this year crashies far exceeds sacy

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https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Wow! Sacy was better in that one match

For a more relevant match - https://www.vlr.gg/183781/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w2

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Reckoninqs

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I mean prime optic match vs a match against sen which one is more significant

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TheAceGamer30

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How is that match more relevant sacys was on smokes

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id say crashies=sacy on every initiator BUT fade, his fade stats are not great but that was a year ago so maybe he'd do good on her now

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He may have won his first sova match on Sen, but have you looked at the overall performance of his Sova gameplay? He's pretty damn good on Sova, other teams have just had better protocols then Sen to beat them on Sova maps

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Reckoninqs

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lowkey bro john's sentinel is better but victor can play anything

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Asuna_Yuuki

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No it isn’t….

Victor is a much better anchor and lurker

Currently the fourth highest rated player in VCT Americas

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Reckoninqs

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he played 4 maps bro

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Asuna_Yuuki

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And stomped them all

Johnqt is good but nowhere near a player like Victor

Its funny how if yu take Johnqt’s 4 best maps and use that to calculate his rating, he still doesn’t come close to Vic

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Reckoninqs

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thats like saying your kd at the start of an act is your actual player stats

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Asuna_Yuuki

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So what evidence do you have for John being a better sentinel?

Even last year on killjoy vic had better stats in tier 1 against harder competition than John in tier 2

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Rugsssssss

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the fact that he only plays anchor characters compared to victor who used to flex

his mindset as a sentinel is completely different from vics, it shows in the gameplay

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Asuna_Yuuki

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How does it show?

Victor was lurking and locking down sites against c9 and furia

Show me a round where it “showed”

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Reckoninqs

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im not biased on who wins or not but you not accepting that he is noticablly better on the flex rather the sentinel where john has played this role his whole career is crazy

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victor is good yes, on the maps he played kj in masters Tokyo he went negative. only going positive once against drx. he doesnt have nearly as much impact when he's not on flex or duelist.

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zen-o

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he played 4 maps against bad teams lol, none that made it to playins or playoffs
sen fought lev and loud + trolled last two maps against G2

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heistheoneandonly

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but no one replied to this

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zen-o

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yh, people only fight battles they think they can win

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Ok but imo even if SEN played c9 and Furia Vic’s performance would have been better than John’s

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Senfanboy

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Wow, you mean that 4 maps against FUR and C9 are the same as 4 Maps against LOUD, LEV, 100T, and G2?

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Victor sentinel is bog standard average stop being delusional

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Third highest rated player in Americas 🤫

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Demon1 duelist > Zekken duelist (i agree its not debatable but the gap aint huge)
Crashies initiator < Sacy initiator (youre fucking stupid if you think crashies is actually better than Sacy)
Victor sentinel < Johnqt sentinel (if you think vic on sentinel is better then youve never played sentinel in your life)
Marved controller = TenZ controller (this one is hard, id typically give it to tenz but theyre playstyles are so different you cant really compare, tho i will say tenz has provided more consistently high impact games while marved is meant to be a foundation for the team)
Ethan flex > Zellsis (i agree with this but zellsis is also a massive player who when he plays well we get stupid rounds like yesterday in the 3v1 clutch against G2)

Chet singh ~~also clears~~ does not clear Kaplan (chet lost against Bili Bili.... i dont think more needs to be said)

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TheAceGamer30

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I think your deluded buddy

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pessi_41

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When was he not?

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TheAceGamer30

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True but how does people agree with him especially on this 😂

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If thats the case
Nrg should win 13-3/13-4 both maps?

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pessi_41

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that is why crashies got cooked hard by sacy in the final. delusional kid

https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf

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TheAceGamer30

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You know it’s bad is when he compares sacy on smokes against crashies 😂

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Zekken (national player) < demon1 (world champ)
Zellsis <= Ethan

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Rugsssssss

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valid, but I put zekken=demon1 seeing how zekken has rolled throughout the tournament across like 250+ rounds

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cartixuzi

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Zekken=Demon1 cmon bro. JohnQT senti > Victor cmonnn bro. Sacy = Crashies cmonnnnnnn lmfaoo.

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Rugsssssss

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johnqt better than victor bro cmon you were seeing the matches no?

only valid argument here is demon1 is probably better than zekken

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Asuna_Yuuki

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Victor is the 3/4th highest rated player in the tournament….

I don’t think you’re watching the matches

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ItsHunter

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as a sentinel victor is nothing special, he does ranked setups and isnt anything special
hes gone against FURIA AND FUCKING CRIPPLED 9 ofc his stats will be better

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cartixuzi

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if u wanna make bait a lot more believable then u gotta make sure sound more believable. thats how traction gets going. im saying cmon bc this is some weak stuff bro.

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TheAceGamer30

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He’s telling facts ain’t no way Victor is better than johnqt on the sentinel role that’s pure delusional

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cartixuzi

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except that he is and not just statistically, that's part of the bait.

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Sens fan are terrible baiter lmao

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TheAceGamer30

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If they were baiting and u replied then clearly you fell for the bait 💀

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pessi_41

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he did lmao

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pessi_41

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Sen fans are always sen fan. not some seasonal eg fan came to nrg. that's facts

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cartixuzi

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are you 12 years old or smth, you're the same guy crying about how I changed my flair from EG to NRG even though we both know EG are a terrible org.

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pessi_41

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did I reply to you? Did I say something to you? Are you that NPC replying to everyone? lmao. get triggered 🐍🐍🐍

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cartixuzi

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ur upset about someone choosing to support a diff team are u not? its not that serious bro.

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only thing i disagree with is that ethan > zellsis and demon1 > zekken even tho i love zekken( u can say zekken plays raze while demon1 doesnt but who cares when hes that good on jett,)

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Rugsssssss

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demon1 defo ops better than zekken, but as a jett i think yeah demon1 is better, but zekken overall as a duelist is better

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Asuna_Yuuki

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How is zekken better overall as a duelist? Makes no sense

Demon1 is the better player by far

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TheAceGamer30

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demon1 is jett one trick duelist , zekken can play any duelist and have almost the same value as demon1

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Yeah in Mickymouse events / tier 2 definitely 😁

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Playing against LOUD , LEV and this new 100T is called mickeymouse .I mean nrg is a good team but bashing down zekken as a duelist when he has showed so much consistency against all these team is the real delusion.

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TheAceGamer30

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Facts zekken is actually going up as a top tier duelist

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Zekken=Demon1 (taking into account zekken having 250+ rounds of consistent performance)

I already know this was a bait. 😂🤣

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🐍>>>>>

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MrOcean

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Theres no way nrg lose considering the amount of stuff shown by each team.

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Saying Zellsis = Ethan is actually delusional lmao

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Sen fans Copium side effect

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Thing is NRG has played like 2 maps?
Sen has played around 8
So I mean NRG definitely have an advantage there but we'll have to wait and see

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pessi_41

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2 of our player already beat them in a final. ez for us. big match sacy heating up. send that FraudRG chet to bed.
https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf

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TheAceGamer30

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Pessi_41 came back to spit facts

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pessi_41

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we will spit on that fraud NA coach in saturday.
chet "bilibili" 🐍

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TheAceGamer30

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Kaplan owns that snake

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Demon1 duelist >>> Zekken duelist
Crashies initiator >> Sacy initiator
Victor sentinel < Johnqt sentinel
Marved controller >>>>TenZ controller
Ethan flex >>> Zellsis
Ethan flex >>>>> Tenz flex
Chet >>>> Kaplan

Stop comparing a team consisting of champs with a team who has zero LAN qualifications in 2.5 years. & ur fav player Tenz has been the part of every iteration who failed to qual for 2.5 years. He's no where close to Marved or Ethan.

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Why do SEN fans always insists johnyqt is better than ethan just because he's new to the IGL role? Ethan have more experience, mature and is a champ. NRG will do just fine even without someone IGLing

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https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/two-retards-fighting

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Zekken=Demon1
Zellsis=Ethan(ini)

LEAST DELUSIONAL SEN FAN

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stop reading after flair

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WHERE YALL AT???