“Optic don’t win if our best teams don’t have sub/Navi couldn’t go” yet one of Americas worst teams takes EMEA’s best to map 5 with a sub while being a brand new team with wayyyy less chemistry compared to the team that has made no roster moves, other than coach, in a year.
Middle East and Africa are EMEA’s only hope
moatz [#3]it's crazy how eu fans like me were milking the subs excuse
but now our best team barely scraped by one of the worst na franchised teams who even had a sub
Na's best hope is sen and nrg u shouldnt be happy
Kkonakorner [#4]Na's best hope is sen and nrg u shouldnt be happy
blud forgot abt the current world champions 😹😹😹
moatz [#5]blud forgot abt the current world champions 😹😹😹
Even their Org know they fluked thats why they got kicked out 😭
moatz [#3]it's crazy how eu fans like me were milking the subs excuse
but now our best team barely scraped by one of the worst na franchised teams who even had a sub
8 maps that day, basically 0 practice, new head coach, year old strats, year old comps, still finished the series 13-5 against a comp that theoretically counters the default one on haven. Only the best team in the world wins in that situation
lilcheese [#6]Even their Org know they fluked thats why they got kicked out 😭
wait who got kicked out? what is my fellow eu fan yapping about
moatz [#8]wait who got kicked out? what is my fellow eu fan yapping about
Poor NA fan cant even process a simple sentence
lilcheese [#9]Poor NA fan cant even process a simple sentence
Poor EU fan is spewing random bs and gets mad when called out on it 😹😹😹
goatnatraafan [#7]8 maps that day, basically 0 practice, new head coach, year old strats, year old comps, still finished the series 13-5 against a comp that theoretically counters the default one on haven. Only the best team in the world wins in that situation
Well it only extended to 7 maps bc they were losing to a team with a completely new roster, coach is a downgrade from mce, new team so no chemistry, dropped their igl for vanity strats, dropped leaf for oxy (oxy is good but a downgrade for sure), and to top it all off had a content creator as a sub
Also, having a yr old team is not a bad thing. Fnc have chemistry and can work around each other's strengths and weaknesses
moatz [#10]Poor EU fan is spewing random bs and gets mad when called out on it 😹😹😹
Average NA fan reading comprehension. That's what happens when you spend more time on VLR than at school 😹😹😹
lilcheese [#13]Average NA fan reading comprehension. That's what happens when you spend more time on VLR than at school 😹😹😹
thats why they got kicked out 😭
All I asked is what u meant by this. Stop projecting bc u failed ur English tests 😹😹😹
lilcheese [#6]Even their Org know they fluked thats why they got kicked out 😭
EG are literally holding them hostage because of how good they are lul
moatz [#14]thats why they got kicked out 😭
All I asked is what u meant by this. Stop projecting bc u failed ur English tests 😹😹😹
what u meant by this
Cant even comprehend 6 words. Expected from a full timer VLR user with 8k posts 😹😹😹
WhoseTao [#11]Honestly, I completely forgot mimi left so now I am even surprised they managed to do so well
C9 also just got a new head coach, and a new assistant GM tho
moatz [#3]it's crazy how eu fans like me were milking the subs excuse
but now our best team barely scraped by one of the worst na franchised teams who even had a sub
In mapwise, it was close but in roundwise it wasn't even close
FNC Clapped them when they won maps and made it very close when they lose it
lilcheese [#16]what u meant by this
Cant even comprehend 6 words. Expected from a full timer VLR user with 8k posts 😹😹😹
Dodging the question again. Expected from VLR user who was dropped as a child 😹😹😹
moatz [#20]Dodging the question again. Expected from VLR user who was dropped as a child 😹😹😹
full timer VLR user
Hit the spot with that huh 😹😹😹
Chipori [#18]C9 also just got a new head coach, and a new assistant GM tho
Fnaitc headcoach is Ass tho
moatz [#24]Still dodging the question 😹😹😹
Moatz Why U argue With an Emea Jobless Freak ? Its Like Talking to a brick wall . 🏠
ionlyHave1Zuni [#25]Moatz Why U argue With an Emea Jobless Freak ? Its Like Talking to a brick wall . 🏠
Yea u right Zuni. I forgot that babies in EU are born with an iq disadvantage
lilcheese [#26]What a pity. Only if you could read 😹😹😹
If only u knew English. Ik EU education is pretty poor so I don't blame u 😹😹😹
moatz [#30]If only u knew English. Ik EU education is pretty poor so I don't blame u 😹😹😹
Cant read 6 words. I guess your limit is 5 😹😹😹
Chipori [#18]C9 also just got a new head coach, and a new assistant GM tho
I didnt think I needed to say that I didnt expect c9 to do well considering there are already a good number of threads saying the same thing lol
lilcheese [#31]Cant read 6 words. I guess your limit is 5 😹😹😹
moatz please stop responding to him, its giving me brain rot
moatz [#12]Well it only extended to 7 maps bc they were losing to a team with a completely new roster, coach is a downgrade from mce, new team so no chemistry, dropped their igl for vanity strats, dropped leaf for oxy (oxy is good but a downgrade for sure), and to top it all off had a content creator as a sub
Also, having a yr old team is not a bad thing. Fnc have chemistry and can work around each other's strengths and weaknesses
completely new is crazy 4/5 of the guys were on c9 previously for at least a full split and curry was an active pro who knew the team. They literally built the team out of previous members of the roster and got oxy in as duelist. fnc met their coach 1 week b4 the tourney started had a week to prac b4 the tourney to win all their games and somehow they're bad. 2-0 then 3-2 against franchised teams in a few hours after 1 working week of prac without having to innovate would b crazy for kc but when fnc do it they look bad. Your making it sound like they lost to a team of 4 slapped together na pros with PROD subbing in jus say fnc are goated.
moatz [#12]Well it only extended to 7 maps bc they were losing to a team with a completely new roster, coach is a downgrade from mce, new team so no chemistry, dropped their igl for vanity strats, dropped leaf for oxy (oxy is good but a downgrade for sure), and to top it all off had a content creator as a sub
Also, having a yr old team is not a bad thing. Fnc have chemistry and can work around each other's strengths and weaknesses
Also the only 2 maps they lost were the ones they played against DRX hours b4. C9 basically got to watch how they play b4 the game started and those r the only maps they won. 13-8 13-5 13-7 on maps they couldn't antistrat live against fnc. the game was lowkey rigged against them in almost every way and they still won.
goatnatraafan [#34]completely new is crazy 4/5 of the guys were on c9 previously for at least a full split and curry was an active pro who knew the team. They literally built the team out of previous members of the roster and got oxy in as duelist. fnc met their coach 1 week b4 the tourney started had a week to prac b4 the tourney to win all their games and somehow they're bad. 2-0 then 3-2 against franchised teams in a few hours after 1 working week of prac without having to innovate would b crazy for kc but when fnc do it they look bad. Your making it sound like they lost to a team of 4 slapped together na pros with PROD subbing in jus say fnc are goated.
remind me, what was the c9 roster before this current iteration? And remind me were those 4 players and coach all playing on the same team continuing to build there chemistry and cohesion together?
No way you are actually trying to act like the level of teamwork should be even remotely close between these two teams. IDK if you r a no star baiter or just really fucking dumb
Flumplestiltski [#36]remind me, what was the c9 roster before this current iteration? And remind me were those 4 players and coach all playing on the same team continuing to build there chemistry and cohesion together?
No way you are actually trying to act like the level of teamwork should be even remotely close between these two teams. IDK if you r a no star baiter or just really fucking dumb
Obvs the level of teamwork wasn't close C9 got ruined. C9 watched fnc play breeze and ascent hours b4 only reason y they got those maps.
To answer ur first question C9 previously leaf, xeppa, zellsis, runi and jakee but b4 that they had leaf, xeppa, curry, mitch and vanity in late 2022 and that iteration of the team was considered to 3 na with xset and opitc the match play played against c9 had the core of the 2022 iteration which had played a full season together.
Ur second question is weird because 1 C9's roster last year had 5 players, I meantioned that 4/5 of the players at this tournament were previously on the starting roster because that means the roster isnt completely new (5/5 players who had never been on the roster is completely new). 2 fnc didn't start practicing again until late October a week b4 the tournament like I said C9 confirmed their roster 29/09 and started playing off season matches b4 fnc even confirmed their coach so if anyone should be "continuing to build there chemistry and cohesion together" its C9 fnc had been off for a month. And abt the no star thing i made this account like 2 days ago I'm now to vlr and i see why it gets its reputation.
Whats really fucking dumb is u saying that im "trying to act like the level of teamwork should be even remotely close" bro I'm saying it clearly wasn't thats y fnc won C9 got diffed and I'm saying that despite the clear advantages C9 had over them they still won convincingly.
Your trying to insinuate that despite winning fnc going 5 maps against C9 is humiliating and they should've cleared them every map like they hard prepped for this tourney and super tryharded the whole way thru.
3-2 doesn't tell the whole story that's y u have to actually watch the games and understand the context b4 getting in a thread to judge peoples opinions via digital stars. idagaf how many stars I have btw idek what they mean or how to get them.
goatnatraafan [#37]Obvs the level of teamwork wasn't close C9 got ruined. C9 watched fnc play breeze and ascent hours b4 only reason y they got those maps.
To answer ur first question C9 previously leaf, xeppa, zellsis, runi and jakee but b4 that they had leaf, xeppa, curry, mitch and vanity in late 2022 and that iteration of the team was considered to 3 na with xset and opitc the match play played against c9 had the core of the 2022 iteration which had played a full season together.
Ur second question is weird because 1 C9's roster last year had 5 players, I meantioned that 4/5 of the players at this tournament were previously on the starting roster because that means the roster isnt completely new (5/5 players who had never been on the roster is completely new). 2 fnc didn't start practicing again until late October a week b4 the tournament like I said C9 confirmed their roster 29/09 and started playing off season matches b4 fnc even confirmed their coach so if anyone should be "continuing to build there chemistry and cohesion together" its C9 fnc had been off for a month. And abt the no star thing i made this account like 2 days ago I'm now to vlr and i see why it gets its reputation.
Whats really fucking dumb is u saying that im "trying to act like the level of teamwork should be even remotely close" bro I'm saying it clearly wasn't thats y fnc won C9 got diffed and I'm saying that despite the clear advantages C9 had over them they still won convincingly.
Your trying to insinuate that despite winning fnc going 5 maps against C9 is humiliating and they should've cleared them every map like they hard prepped for this tourney and super tryharded the whole way thru.
3-2 doesn't tell the whole story that's y u have to actually watch the games and understand the context b4 getting in a thread to judge peoples opinions via digital stars. idagaf how many stars I have btw idek what they mean or how to get them.
The copium is crazy. I didn't even say half the stuff you are insinuating I said I just think it's funny you are trying to claim how these players used to be on the org over a year ago, and even longer for some like curry, so that somewhow gives them chemistry as if they had been practicing together for months with the same strats, and same coach ideology, and same IGL ideology. Like you are reaching soooo much and when FNC clearly had the advantage in every way except that FNC had to play back to backs. FNC was able to Vod review the C9 games too. Vod reviewing takes longer than just watching the match live so while C9 did get a slight advantage with FNC playing back to back and being able to see what they ran against DRX def helped but it was not some in depth, broken down vod review bc there isn't enough time b4 the C9xFNC match. You could even make the argument that since FNC had overnight to VOD review after the C9 vs FUT game that they should have had an even better understanding of how C9 was gonna play on those maps than what C9 was able to take from the DRX match just before going into the finals.
Overall you have longer standing team with more chemistry/practice together, better roster on paper, and the best team in EMEA by FARRRRR going to map 5 against a bottom tier AMERICAS team that had a sub making their minimal amount of practice even less impactful. FNC are the better team I'm not saying they aren't I'm just saying I expected a lot better from them tbh.
Flumplestiltski [#38]The copium is crazy. I didn't even say half the stuff you are insinuating I said I just think it's funny you are trying to claim how these players used to be on the org over a year ago, and even longer for some like curry, so that somewhow gives them chemistry as if they had been practicing together for months with the same strats, and same coach ideology, and same IGL ideology. Like you are reaching soooo much and when FNC clearly had the advantage in every way except that FNC had to play back to backs. FNC was able to Vod review the C9 games too. Vod reviewing takes longer than just watching the match live so while C9 did get a slight advantage with FNC playing back to back and being able to see what they ran against DRX def helped but it was not some in depth, broken down vod review bc there isn't enough time b4 the C9xFNC match. You could even make the argument that since FNC had overnight to VOD review after the C9 vs FUT game that they should have had an even better understanding of how C9 was gonna play on those maps than what C9 was able to take from the DRX match just before going into the finals.
Overall you have longer standing team with more chemistry/practice together, better roster on paper, and the best team in EMEA by FARRRRR going to map 5 against a bottom tier AMERICAS team that had a sub making their minimal amount of practice even less impactful. FNC are the better team I'm not saying they aren't I'm just saying I expected a lot better from them tbh.
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duc [#23]Fnaitc headcoach is Ass tho
idk why people are downvoting you it's true, he has never had any results in his entire career of coaching its wild
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