Or do they work harder than everyone else?
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Do you think Leo, Alfajer are naturally talented?
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justron40 [#2]they work hard.
But so I imagine almost everyone in Tier 1! I mean they do it for a living in an increasingly more competitive environment.
vipermommydomme [#4]It's a mix of talent, hard work, and fortune of circumstance. That's always the case. Hard work outshines lazy talent, lack of circumstance kills both, lack of talent often can't be overcome by hard work. Need a balance of the first two and the third in order to be world class at anything.
Good point. I also see it as a perfect storm of myriad factors.
sliceddice [#5]But so I imagine almost everyone in Tier 1! I mean they do it for a living in an increasingly more competitive environment.
then they work harder than everyone.
you have no clue what talent looks like.
"hard work can't never beat talent, it can only equal it". -me
justron40 [#10]then they work harder than everyone.
you have no clue what talent looks like.
"hard work can't never beat talent, it can only equal it". -me
It's definitely tough to extricate this supposed talent from the result because, well, you only see the result -- but there still definitely that natural factor.
Hard work beats talent, if talent fails to work hard.
Chow1E [#11]both
prac + talent what makes ppl so good at game
True, I guess you can always work harder but you can't become more talented lol and which is what separates super diligent players.
alara_acendfan [#17]alfajer’s sens tells you all about how hard he’s working
Can you elaborate what you mean by this?
Pondy [#19]Bruh how do you do 10DMs and then sleep, instead of being tilted off the face of the Earth.
By hitting your shots and being better than the top 10% of radiants
reminifoo [#9]me thinks alfajer is a natural, but leo, on the other hand definitely the hardest worker in the room, his discipline bursting out of his charm and it reflected in his gameplay
The hardest worker is boaster by far.
Boaster has to make all the strats, aim train, vod review any interesting game he can find to find ideas, work with mini on whats decent and whats not, relay it all back to the team and teach them AND find lineups for his teammates in their own res, since theyre different from his own.
No one on that team works harder than boaster. Yes hes not the best igl, not the best aimer, not the best at many things but when it comes to working hard lets not say bullshit lol
sliceddice [#12]It's definitely tough to extricate this supposed talent from the result because, well, you only see the result -- but there still definitely that natural factor.
Hard work beats talent, if talent fails to work hard.
It's also not just the "hardness" of the work that matters but also the quality of the type of work, and a lot of external and internal factors. I think FNC is one of the best orgs when it comes to providing players with everything they need, including diet, performance coaches, and so much more. There's a lot of factors at play behind the scenes that we can't really see.
It's definitely not just "they work harder".
Pondy [#19]Bruh how do you do 10DMs and then sleep, instead of being tilted off the face of the Earth.
Try to just track the straight 1v1 fights in your dms. Don't try to win. After every death, if you were double peeked or shot in the back, just try to ignore it (can be hard, I know); and if you lost a straight duel, ask yourself why (was it movement, was it aim, angle disadvantage, peeker's advantage? Something else?) and keep track of your mistakes. If you make certain mistakes more often than others, try to run a DM while only focusing on that stuff.
If you hyperfocus on small errors and trying to get better at very specific things, you'll often notice visible progress, even if you continuously get shat on. For example, my problem was that I often pressed W while peeking, so I double bound knife equip to the W key and focused on swinging with A and D only and strafing during fights. I didn't do well in the DMs kill-wise, but after a couple of them I noticed I was getting a lot better at horizontal movement, so it still felt like a success and I didn't really tilt much.
Moiraine [#25]The hardest worker is boaster by far.
Boaster has to make all the strats, aim train, vod review any interesting game he can find to find ideas, work with mini on whats decent and whats not, relay it all back to the team and teach them AND find lineups for his teammates in their own res, since theyre different from his own.No one on that team works harder than boaster. Yes hes not the best igl, not the best aimer, not the best at many things but when it comes to working hard lets not say bullshit lol
i might be too narrowed for only pointing out leo since the post is about him and alfa, but if we r talking fnc as a whole yes i fully agree its definitely boaster
Ryszafiel [#20]Can you elaborate what you mean by this?
it should be really hard to even move in game with such low sens
Moiraine [#25]The hardest worker is boaster by far.
Boaster has to make all the strats, aim train, vod review any interesting game he can find to find ideas, work with mini on whats decent and whats not, relay it all back to the team and teach them AND find lineups for his teammates in their own res, since theyre different from his own.No one on that team works harder than boaster. Yes hes not the best igl, not the best aimer, not the best at many things but when it comes to working hard lets not say bullshit lol
He might be the best igl in the world tbh
vipermommydomme [#4]It's a mix of talent, hard work, and fortune of circumstance. That's always the case. Hard work outshines lazy talent, lack of circumstance kills both, lack of talent often can't be overcome by hard work. Need a balance of the first two and the third in order to be world class at anything.
well said
vipermommydomme [#4]It's a mix of talent, hard work, and fortune of circumstance. That's always the case. Hard work outshines lazy talent, lack of circumstance kills both, lack of talent often can't be overcome by hard work. Need a balance of the first two and the third in order to be world class at anything.
THIS
Dolphin [#31]He might be the best igl in the world tbh
honestly for me, he is the best IGL. It took him winning tokyo for me admit that, he works hella hard on strats and is a good emotional leader as well.
talent just let's you become better way faster than others but you can also hit your peak really fast with your talent. then comes hard work in clutch, repetition builds your muscle memory while performing at your best. your intuition is getting sharper, we call this game sense right. hard work is always needed, for some people it starts right away and for some after they hit their peak. putting time in smth rewards you the most. at the end of the day everyone is somewhat capable but you gotta have champion mindset. these guys know they are one of the best when they enter server, you can't make them doubt themselves. it's how games are won, on lan or ranked, doesn't matter.
Breloof [#26]It's also not just the "hardness" of the work that matters but also the quality of the type of work, and a lot of external and internal factors. I think FNC is one of the best orgs when it comes to providing players with everything they need, including diet, performance coaches, and so much more. There's a lot of factors at play behind the scenes that we can't really see.
It's definitely not just "they work harder".
Oh, I definitely agree on that. For instance, pros in general have a more efficient way of practicing and thus would stand to yield more from the equal amount of hours compared to your casual average joe. There are too many factors and I am glad you included the support system which had escaped my mind at the time.
What do you think about natural talent? Do you think some people can process info better and juggle more variables?
sliceddice [#37]Oh, I definitely agree on that. For instance, pros in general have a more efficient way of practicing and thus would stand to yield more from the equal amount of hours compared to your casual average joe. There are too many factors and I am glad you included the support system which had escaped my mind at the time.
What do you think about natural talent? Do you think some people can process info better and juggle more variables?
The most naturally talented is Something, the most hardworking is Boaster
kowalski [#36]talent just let's you become better way faster than others but you can also hit your peak really fast with your talent. then comes hard work in clutch, repetition builds your muscle memory while performing at your best. your intuition is getting sharper, we call this game sense right. hard work is always needed, for some people it starts right away and for some after they hit their peak. putting time in smth rewards you the most. at the end of the day everyone is somewhat capable but you gotta have champion mindset. these guys know they are one of the best when they enter server, you can't make them doubt themselves. it's how games are won, on lan or ranked, doesn't matter.
Definitely. World-class ethics is a must and a necessary factor. The other factors come later. The quality of work, professional support system, diet, etc.
Volt8888 [#38]The most naturally talented is Something, the most hardworking is Boaster
I don't know about that. It's probably some pro we've never heard. We don't know the routine of Something, how hard he trains, and that can give the impression that he is just naturally talented when his results are just the tip of the iceberg buttressed by insane work ethics and discipline and a reasonably large spade of talent surely.
Breloof [#27]Try to just track the straight 1v1 fights in your dms. Don't try to win. After every death, if you were double peeked or shot in the back, just try to ignore it (can be hard, I know); and if you lost a straight duel, ask yourself why (was it movement, was it aim, angle disadvantage, peeker's advantage? Something else?) and keep track of your mistakes. If you make certain mistakes more often than others, try to run a DM while only focusing on that stuff.
If you hyperfocus on small errors and trying to get better at very specific things, you'll often notice visible progress, even if you continuously get shat on. For example, my problem was that I often pressed W while peeking, so I double bound knife equip to the W key and focused on swinging with A and D only and strafing during fights. I didn't do well in the DMs kill-wise, but after a couple of them I noticed I was getting a lot better at horizontal movement, so it still felt like a success and I didn't really tilt much.
Conscious and deliberate mental operation. Have you heard of Leo? I heard he just focuses on improving every game, like almost single-mindedly.
Your principle can also be applied to gamesense in competitive in general. Like why you died, why were you in a disadvantageous position in the first place, and try to seek for a play that is more consistent in general not that you were lucky or unlucky.
sliceddice [#40]I don't know about that. It's probably some pro we've never heard. We don't know the routine of Something, how hard he trains, and that can give the impression that he is just naturally talented when his results are just the tip of the iceberg buttressed by insane work ethics and discipline and a reasonably large spade of talent surely.
Didn't he started competing 2 months ago?
Volt8888 [#42]Didn't he started competing 2 months ago?
Ah yes, but he's 21 years old, isn't he?. 19 Leo. 18 Alfajer. You can make arguments from all side. If Leo was just hired in the right circumstances 2 months before some team got to play internationally he would also perform the same and you would likely be left impressed in the same way too.
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