I see support for leo faria bc he claims they are fixing t2 next year and he has been open to questions.
However, why couldn't they have just fixed it this year? Everyone knew what was happening since January. Most esport scenes only last a few years bc people switch to newer games. Using an entire year as a "trial run" is the biggest BS I've ever heard 😹😹😹
NA has had one real LAN and the game released 3+ years ago. predicting NA has under 5 total LANs for the entirety of valorant 😹
yoboikingkong [#3]bro thinks decision announced in january are decided in january. everything is decided multiple months in advance.
are you braindead? it's not that deep. all I am saying is everyone immediately knew the 2023 season was fcked when riot released details about it
adilKhan [#4]I won't stop saying this, but franchising is gonna single-handedly kill Valorant. I'm telling you, in just 4-5 years VCT is gonna become as dead as Overwatch League, with no tier 2 teams and barely any financial support.
2.25 mil prize pool for masters tokyo. rito games has also dealt with lol (ignoring the stuff in na). im pretty sure they understand the value of a t2 scene and would be willing to give more support to t2 scene
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adilKhan [#4]I won't stop saying this, but franchising is gonna single-handedly kill Valorant. I'm telling you, in just 4-5 years VCT is gonna become as dead as Overwatch League, with no tier 2 teams and barely any financial support.
I disagree.
Franchising in valorant is hardly comparable to overwatch.
I do think the current t2 structure of Valorant hurts the scene a lot but right now it's salvageable.
abyss369 [#6]2.25 mil prize pool for masters tokyo. rito games has also dealt with lol (ignoring the stuff in na). im pretty sure they understand the value of a t2 scene and would be willing to give more support to t2 scene
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"ignore how NA t2 is dead"
btw NA t1 is also dead
brobeans [#8]"ignore how NA t2 is dead"
btw NA t1 is also dead
na as a whole is dead both in cs and lol. both one of the most successful esports scenes. your point?
capital_d_colon [#7]I disagree.
Franchising in valorant is hardly comparable to overwatch.I do think the current t2 structure of Valorant hurts the scene a lot but right now it's salvageable.
yeah. my main point is they need to get their stuff together. who knows how long valorant will last and considering a region like NA has had only one LAN since the game released & t2 currently doesn't exist rn shows they are heading in the wrong direction
abyss369 [#10]na as a whole is dead both in cs and lol. both one of the most successful esports scenes. your point?
people lose interest in video games fast at least in NA. both scenes started there and died
brobeans [#13]people lose interest in video games fast at least in NA. both scenes started there and died
yea, i agree, my point still stands
brobeans [#11]yeah. my main point is they need to get their stuff together. who knows how long valorant will last and considering a region like NA has had only one LAN since the game released & t2 currently doesn't exist rn shows they are heading in the wrong direction
This "NA has only had 1 lan" is such a meaningless point to harp on about.
The majority of valorant's esports life has been affected by covid and war.
If riot had held an event in NA in 2021/22, there would have been a sizeable number of teams affected by visas.
Do you seriously think riot is choosing Reykjavik multiple times due to the Icelandic crowds?
brobeans [#13]people lose interest in video games fast at least in NA. both scenes started there and died
playerbase was never as big as it is in EU or APAC in either of those games lol,
valorant is taking hold everywhere atm such a shit argument
just admit you have feelings because amateurs arent getting paid 6 figures and move on
capital_d_colon [#15]This "NA has only had 1 lan" is such a meaningless point to harp on about.
The majority of valorant's esports life has been affected by covid and war.
If riot had held an event in NA in 2021/22, there would have been a sizeable number of teams affected by visas.Do you seriously think riot is choosing Reykjavik multiple times due to the Icelandic crowds?
LANs don't have to be international 🤯
"covid and war" 2 dumbest excuses yet. there have been football games since 2020
brobeans [#17]LANs don't have to be international 🤯
"covid and war" 2 dumbest excuses yet. there have been football games since 2020
hey dumbass, football players have work permits when they sign, esports players need a new visa every new team they are on
also playing within the same country is a lot easier than flying in 50 people from different places
adilKhan [#4]I won't stop saying this, but franchising is gonna single-handedly kill Valorant. I'm telling you, in just 4-5 years VCT is gonna become as dead as Overwatch League, with no tier 2 teams and barely any financial support.
Yeah just like it has killed the biggest esport in the world, LOL. I think they know how to run a game
cboomer [#16]playerbase was never as big as it is in EU or APAC in either of those games lol,
valorant is taking hold everywhere atm such a shit argument
just admit you have feelings because amateurs arent getting paid 6 figures and move on
holy braindead. very difficult to argue with vlr low iq
blud is supporting a 6 month off-season and half the orgs leaving the scene 😂
cboomer [#16]playerbase was never as big as it is in EU or APAC in either of those games lol,
valorant is taking hold everywhere atm such a shit argument
just admit you have feelings because amateurs arent getting paid 6 figures and move on
hmm calling t2 amateurs 😂😂😂
ask the pro scene what they think of that? they reacted kindly to faria's tweet
cboomer [#18]hey dumbass, football players have work permits when they sign, esports players need a new visa every new team they are on
also playing within the same country is a lot easier than flying in 50 people from different places
why would u not treat an esport pro the same as a football pro? both have the same requirements
brobeans [#20]holy braindead. very difficult to argue with vlr low iq
blud is supporting a 6 month off-season and half the orgs leaving the scene 😂
bro, the fucking head of esports doesnt support it lol,
if you didnt realize, even before franchising a lot of orgs were leaving and joining the scene on and off (you are an idiot)
the offseason is tough but who exactly is watching tier 2 anyways? theres no demographic, theres no demand, you complain but you think riot is the only entity to blame
Successful tier 2 scenes in Asia and EU have literally been forwarded by the government at times, there are internet cafes in japan/kr that their government funds and chinese billionaires invest millions into esports.
You can't seriously blame riot that theres no tier 2 infrastructure for gaming in NA thats not something they can do lol
brobeans [#21]hmm calling t2 amateurs 😂😂😂
ask the pro scene what they think of that? they reacted kindly to faria's tweet
faria called it a guest slot. second of all by that logic how far should it extend down to? collegiate players? Premier players? RANKED PLAYERS?!!??! at that point everyone is a pro. everyone can be payed 6 figures
Mortadelo [#19]Yeah just like it has killed the biggest esport in the world, LOL. I think they know how to run a game
why is vlr supporting half the orgs leaving and a 6 month off-season? the entire pro scene has despised it since beginning of this year but is vlr too low iq to understand??
brobeans [#21]hmm calling t2 amateurs 😂😂😂
ask the pro scene what they think of that? they reacted kindly to faria's tweet
generally, pros are the ones getting paid, if you aren't on salary you are an amateur as is most the t2 players you are coping for, its the definition of an amateur
brobeans [#17]LANs don't have to be international 🤯
"covid and war" 2 dumbest excuses yet. there have been football games since 2020
Riot and the valorant orgs do not have the same privileges the likes of FIFA and UEFA has.
Valorant is not even comparable to football.
Riot has tried to host LAN events, check out the NA 2021 LCQ... look what happened.
brobeans [#22]why would u not treat an esport pro the same as a football pro? both have the same requirements
this makes no sense lol, im just saying that you saying a global pandemic and a war which affected a lot of EU teams does very much affect visas/permits
Football clubs and esports organizations work differently because to compete in league play you simply need a work permit and players needed visas to the US to come and play here, a little more difficult
Mortadelo [#19]Yeah just like it has killed the biggest esport in the world, LOL. I think they know how to run a game
yeah exactly, vlr users think that riot created the most stable idea of an esports league and just gonna run valorant which has as much potential if it catches on in china lol
bbbbbut my NA t2 players
in EU and APAC tier 2 players have dealt with this since inception, and even in NA teams have been dropping in and out people are such bandwagoners when twitter personalities say things
cboomer [#23]bro, the fucking head of esports doesnt support it lol,
if you didnt realize, even before franchising a lot of orgs were leaving and joining the scene on and off (you are an idiot)
the offseason is tough but who exactly is watching tier 2 anyways? theres no demographic, theres no demand, you complain but you think riot is the only entity to blame
Successful tier 2 scenes in Asia and EU have literally been forwarded by the government at times, there are internet cafes in japan/kr that their government funds and chinese billionaires invest millions into esports.
You can't seriously blame riot that theres no tier 2 infrastructure for gaming in NA thats not something they can do lol
ok get rid of all t2. solution solved!
i need to stop arguing with vlr 😔 hurts my head
brobeans [#21]hmm calling t2 amateurs 😂😂😂
ask the pro scene what they think of that? they reacted kindly to faria's tweet
can u make an actual point? u have just been giving us nothing burgers, ppl like u is the reason why nothing productive can be achieved thru discussion everything has to be black and white. wtf man val havent completely figured out how to properly run its esports scene and have a 6 month off season, how do they think thats a good idea?!??! Rome wasn't built in a day lil bro.
cboomer [#26]generally, pros are the ones getting paid, if you aren't on salary you are an amateur as is most the t2 players you are coping for, its the definition of an amateur
most t2 is on a salary...
brobeans [#30]ok get rid of all t2. solution solved!
i need to stop arguing with vlr 😔 hurts my head
bro, theres dead ass nothing wrong with t2 besides for the short season, they literally just need 4 splits and ascension and its fine GC is fine too despite all the coping
do you really think T2 gamers deserve to make as much as division 4 footballers in england? LMFAO gtfo man
they're gonna get paid like 40-50k on average and deal with it, you want big money and that's what you get when u reach the top
literally just a year round t2 is the only thing t2 needs
abyss369 [#31]can u make an actual point? u have just been giving us nothing burgers, ppl like u is the reason why nothing productive can be achieved thru discussion everything has to be black and white. wtf man val havent completely figured out how to properly run its esports scene and have a 6 month off season, how do they think thats a good idea?!??! Rome wasn't built in a day lil bro.
chill i get your points. you want t2 to die and t1 to die with it as valorant loses hype. we understand you want only 1-2 events a year and an off-season of 6 months. most disagree with you but it is your opinion :)
abyss369 [#24]faria called it a guest slot. second of all by that logic how far should it extend down to? collegiate players? Premier players? RANKED PLAYERS?!!??! at that point everyone is a pro. everyone can be payed 6 figures
guest slot is fine. amatuer is not
brobeans [#37]0/8 😴
bros crying because his t2 team got booted because nobody wanted to watch them play lol
brobeans [#34]chill i get your points. you want t2 to die and t1 to die with it as valorant loses hype. we understand you want only 1-2 events a year and an off-season of 6 months. most disagree with you but it is your opinion :)
who said i think how val running things is perfect? obviously the scene isnt perfect yet, no way its the first year its been franchised. u just want everything to be perfect and dont gotta worry bout anything. rome wasn't built in a day not even in a year
brobeans [#36]guest slot is fine. amatuer is not
so what do u want t2 players to be called? u want t1 players to be called super pros and t2 to be called pros?
abyss369 [#39]who said i think how val running things is perfect? obviously the scene isnt perfect yet, no way its the first year its been franchised. u just want everything to be perfect and dont gotta worry bout anything. rome wasn't built in a day not even in a year
this isn't Rome. a full year isn't a "test trial"
brobeans [#25]why is vlr supporting half the orgs leaving and a 6 month off-season? the entire pro scene has despised it since beginning of this year but is vlr too low iq to understand??
no one is supporting shit, they've admitted their mistakes and they already promised to change stuff next year, and there's gonna be an announcement regarding tier 2 later this month
brobeans [#25]why is vlr supporting half the orgs leaving and a 6 month off-season? the entire pro scene has despised it since beginning of this year but is vlr too low iq to understand??
You do realize exactly the same thing happened the year before franchising right?? Wtf does franchising have to do with a 6 month off season that they said they will fix
Ofc I hate the 6 month off season but I think your IQ might be too low to target the correct problem. Same with the tier 2 system, needs a rework, and they know. How tf is that franchising fault
hanafuuji [#42]no one is supporting shit, they've admitted their mistakes and they already promised to change stuff next year, and there's gonna be an announcement regarding tier 2 later this month
there was no mistake?? this was intentional bc everyone was pretty clear back in december/january that it would turn out exactly like this
brobeans [#44]there was no mistake?? this was intentional bc everyone was pretty clear back in december/january that it would turn out exactly like this
if there's no mistake then why tf r u mad? they made the schedule for this year, they've admitted that it was wrong and changes are coming
brobeans [#5]are you braindead? it's not that deep. all I am saying is everyone immediately knew the 2023 season was fcked when riot released details about it
bro said its not that deep and then goes on to vlr to write an essay
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