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koromast [#2]NA is far from being done their tier 2 is the strongest in the world rn in terms of viewership talent and investment
fk no EMEA and PACIFIC tier 2 is way better just less watched
Zorontom [#3]fk no EMEA and PACIFIC tier 2 is way better just less watched
Then why does EU and Pacific struggle to find any more than one team that can perform?
Zorontom [#3]fk no EMEA and PACIFIC tier 2 is way better just less watched
nah pacific tier 2 is more of just PRX wannabes. NA has the biggest talent pool but EMEA has players that have insane potential.
Zorontom [#3]fk no EMEA and PACIFIC tier 2 is way better just less watched
bro im 100% sure you dont even watch tier 2 emea and rather watch a fucking disguised vs moist moguls match
PooFaceCe [#4]Then why does EU and Pacific struggle to find any more than one team that can perform?
Like NA has a good team playing consistently
PooFaceCe [#4]Then why does EU and Pacific struggle to find any more than one team that can perform?
because franchising got absolute FRAUD orgs in EMEA, like KOI, HERETICS, KARMINE, GIANTS. Those are all terrible LOSER orgs. So many better orgs, more storied that would've actually competed financially but Riot are a bunch dogshit spanish-cocksuckers
Zorontom [#9]Like NA has a good team playing consistently
eg and nrg owned liquid and drx (paper rex could own both with something maybe tho)
Zorontom [#9]Like NA has a good team playing consistently
Theres like 6 of Americas T1 teams that can make a run in champs, M80 and TGRD are (admitted by the teams in T1) just as good if not better than some of them.
tinted [#5]Americas still has the most depth of any region. Look at the firepower of teams like SEN C9 100T that didn’t even come to Tokyo. On top of those we have EG LOUD NRG well established teams. And a stacked T2 scene as well… we are far from finished
aside from m80 and loud, tbh i dont see any potential with these team.
hekzy [#10]because franchising got absolute FRAUD orgs in EMEA, like KOI, HERETICS, KARMINE, GIANTS. Those are all terrible LOSER orgs. So many better orgs, more storied that would've actually competed financially but Riot are a bunch dogshit spanish-cocksuckers
the orgs in question are uhhh oh they are on NA tier 2 right? mad lions oxg g2 and nip was on brazil
StrafingGoatWoweeClap [#14]aside from m80 and loud, tbh i dont see any potential with these team.
guard mxm and oxg seem far from not having potential.
hekzy [#10]because franchising got absolute FRAUD orgs in EMEA, like KOI, HERETICS, KARMINE, GIANTS. Those are all terrible LOSER orgs. So many better orgs, more storied that would've actually competed financially but Riot are a bunch dogshit spanish-cocksuckers
ur acting like the same shit didn't happen to every region other than pacific tho
Zorontom [#3]fk no EMEA and PACIFIC tier 2 is way better just less watched
Facts let these na haters hear it
PooFaceCe [#4]Then why does EU and Pacific struggle to find any more than one team that can perform?
Liquid, Navi, FUT performed well. It's not like Americas has more than 4 good teams (those at Tokyo + Cloud9).
koromast [#11]eg and nrg owned liquid and drx (paper rex could own both with something maybe tho)
Liquid almost won NRG
LOUD is also your team, don't leave them out
Olofboost [#19]Liquid, Navi, FUT performed well. It's not like Americas has more than 4 good teams (those at Tokyo + Cloud9).
Bro Navi and FUT both got grouped in AWFUL fashion how did they perform well? And Liquid won what? one or 2 games then got double dropped by Americas seed 2 and 3?
Literally EVERY NA team would do better than FUT and Navi lmao
PooFaceCe [#13]Theres like 6 of Americas T1 teams that can make a run in champs, M80 and TGRD are (admitted by the teams in T1) just as good if not better than some of them.
LOUD, EG, NRG, C9, that's all. LOUD performed horribly at this event.
I might also say EMEA has 6 teams that can make a run - including Giants and Vitality.
PooFaceCe [#21]Bro Navi and FUT both got grouped in AWFUL fashion how did they perform well? And Liquid won what? one or 2 games then got double dropped by Americas seed 2 and 3?
Literally EVERY NA team would do better than FUT and Navi lmao
Navi barely won EDG who placed 5th-6th, if they did win they would be in about same position.
LOUD, your 1st seed, got shit on. EG/NRG is all you have, maybe C9 too. None of them won.
PooFaceCe [#17]ur acting like the same shit didn't happen to every region other than pacific tho
And what did your region accomplish? EMEA is 2 times champion this year, 5 slots at champions.
Olofboost [#20]Liquid almost won NRG
LOUD is also your team, don't leave them out
EG almost beat Fnatic in the upper final but that doesn't mean they did lmao
Olofboost [#25]And what did your region accomplish? EMEA is 2 times champion this year, 5 slots at champions.
Sao Paulo was not a major LMAO
Olofboost [#24]Navi barely won EDG who placed 5th-6th, if they did win they would be in about same position.
LOUD, your 1st seed, got shit on. EG/NRG is all you have, maybe C9 too. None of them won.
I am literally actively defending NA not Americas as a whole, hence why I didn't bring up Leviatan, u fucking idiot
jackb2016 [#26]EG almost beat Fnatic in the upper final but that doesn't mean they did lmao
I was responding to the guy saying all EMEA teams but Fnatic are bad
PooFaceCe [#27]Sao Paulo was not a major LMAO
If you won, you'd be bragging the same way. It's 1 of 3 international tournaments per year.
Olofboost [#22]LOUD, EG, NRG, C9, that's all. LOUD performed horribly at this event.
I might also say EMEA has 6 teams that can make a run - including Giants and Vitality.
You do know thats the majority of NA teams right? 100T definitely still has a chance to win LCQ though.
and yea you might "say" that, but youd be fucking lying. Liquid di very okay, FNC did well, and the rest of your region did dogshit awful
PooFaceCe [#17]ur acting like the same shit didn't happen to every region other than pacific tho
how are any of the NA orgs broke ass frauds (other than C9)? explain
Olofboost [#31]If you won, you'd be bragging the same way. It's 1 of 3 international tournaments per year.
No I would not, not even riot classified it as a major it was classified as a "kickoff event".
it was single elim, no qualification process, and was used to introduce ppl to the teams, not to solidify the best team
PooFaceCe [#28]I am literally actively defending NA not Americas as a whole, hence why I didn't bring up Leviatan, u fucking idiot
So why is NA better than EMEA?
Fnatic >> EG
NRG >= Liquid
Navi, FUT ? C9, SEN
You've got no proof to your theory
PooFaceCe [#4]Then why does EU and Pacific struggle to find any more than one team that can perform?
What are you on about? we've had like 4 different winners (fpx, fnc, acend, gmb)? NA has had 2 (optic and sent)
hekzy [#33]how are any of the NA orgs broke ass frauds (other than C9)? explain
Please tell me your joking... coming from a Fnatic fan your talking about org finances? LMAO
you must not know.
Olofboost [#20]Liquid almost won NRG
LOUD is also your team, don't leave them out
if "liquid almost beated NA" is your argument then i wont argue at all man, and you literally saying navi and fut are coming back stronger like loud cant comeback stronger and own everyone just like htey did on americas league.
PooFaceCe [#32]You do know thats the majority of NA teams right? 100T definitely still has a chance to win LCQ though.
and yea you might "say" that, but youd be fucking lying. Liquid di very okay, FNC did well, and the rest of your region did dogshit awful
You have 5 teams, of course they'd be slightly more stacked. We have 10.
Olofboost [#35]So why is NA better than EMEA?
Fnatic >> EG
NRG >= Liquid
Navi, FUT ? C9, SENYou've got no proof to your theory
NA had 2 teams go to tokyo, 2 of them ended top 4, EMEA had 4 come to Tokyo ONE ended top 4
Olofboost [#39]You have 5 teams, of course they'd be slightly more stacked. We have 10.
you think NA doesn't have enough talent to fill 10 slots??? LMAO sounds like a region problem on your end, hence why our T2 scene is so strong
PooFaceCe [#34]No I would not, not even riot classified it as a major it was classified as a "kickoff event".
it was single elim, no qualification process, and was used to introduce ppl to the teams, not to solidify the best team
Whatever, Fnatic won Masters. 4 EMEA masters/champions trophies against 3 of Americas.
PooFaceCe [#37]Please tell me your joking... coming from a Fnatic fan your talking about org finances? LMAO
you must not know.
at least they are running in multiple games, competitive rosters. The orgs I mentioned are literally nobodies in every other title. Including LEC.
hfmdzj314 [#36]What are you on about? we've had like 4 different winners (fpx, fnc, acend, gmb)? NA has had 2 (optic and sent)
Sorry bro I don't live in 2021, also yea, youve won 4 times total and na has one 2 times total, ofc ur gonna have 4 and were gonna have 2.
Look at this tournament and ur region, ur league is way more far apart in skill levels between teams, and of 4 teams ONE made it top 4, of 2 NA teams, 2 made it top 4
PooFaceCe [#40]NA had 2 teams go to tokyo, 2 of them ended top 4, EMEA had 4 come to Tokyo ONE ended top 4
EMEA has 10 teams and talent distributed across all of them, you have 5 teams.
Olofboost [#42]Whatever, Fnatic won Masters. 4 EMEA masters/champions trophies against 3 of Americas.
"show me proof"
shows you proof
"whatever, Fnatic won anyways"
LMAO
PooFaceCe [#41]you think NA doesn't have enough talent to fill 10 slots??? LMAO sounds like a region problem on your end, hence why our T2 scene is so strong
w take
PooFaceCe [#41]you think NA doesn't have enough talent to fill 10 slots??? LMAO sounds like a region problem on your end, hence why our T2 scene is so strong
Exactly, you don't have enough talent to fill 10 slots. Those would be just horrible contenders, and quality of some existing NA teams would decrease.
Olofboost [#45]EMEA has 10 teams and talent distributed across all of them, you have 5 teams.
NA could very easily distribute 5 more teams of talent, M80 and TGRD are better than 3 of our 5 T1 teams for example
Olofboost [#48]Exactly, you don't have enough talent to fill 10 slots. Those would be just horrible contenders, and quality of some existing NA teams would decrease.
You can't read, im saying we WOULD be able to fill the slots, because we have WAY more really good T2 players, and your region is a group of 5 players
PooFaceCe [#46]"show me proof"
shows you proof
"whatever, Fnatic won anyways"
LMAO
I think of Lock-In the same as Masters. It's just 3 internationals per year, every one is important.
Olofboost [#51]I think of Lock-In the same as Masters. It's just 3 internationals per year, every one is important.
the way you "think of it" doesn't matter, the way it OBJECTIVELY IS, does matter.
The format of it was awful and it wasn't set up to be a part of the circuit, it was a celebration of franchising, please cope to yourself elsewhere
PooFaceCe [#50]You can't read, im saying we WOULD be able to fill the slots, because we have WAY more really good T2 players, and your region is a group of 5 players
No, you don't have way more good players, pure bias and delusion. EMEA talent pool has always been times bigger, we're not limited to Fnatic 5.
PooFaceCe [#44]Sorry bro I don't live in 2021, also yea, youve won 4 times total and na has one 2 times total, ofc ur gonna have 4 and were gonna have 2.
Look at this tournament and ur region, ur league is way more far apart in skill levels between teams, and of 4 teams ONE made it top 4, of 2 NA teams, 2 made it top 4
who cares, we won. We're the best and thats what history will remember. Nobody gives a shit about middle of pack teams lmfao. Keep coping and seethin tho.
PooFaceCe [#52]the way you "think of it" doesn't matter, the way it OBJECTIVELY IS, does matter.
The format of it was awful and it wasn't set up to be a part of the circuit, it was a celebration of franchising, please cope to yourself elsewhere
Like I said, I care about the tournament. we're not getting enough internationals anyway. If you don't care, that's your choice.
Might as well go ahead and say "everything besides Champions doesn't matter".
Olofboost [#53]No, you don't have way more good players, pure bias and delusion. EMEA talent pool has always been times bigger, we're not limited to Fnatic 5.
Then why is EMEA's T2 scene awful?
Why can EU never win shit other than their ONE TEAM, whereas NA is bouncing up and down from whos the best?
EG is a team composed of players that were tier 2 at best last year and just finished second at an int event. Imagine Sentinels had the coaching/cohesion that this team has. Look at c9 too with two tier 2 players coming in and dominating. NA tier 2 is littered with talent lmfao. IDK which EMEA teams are just adding tier 2 players and becoming dominant, Fnatic added two established top 10 players, a lot easier
Olofboost [#55]Like I said, I care about the tournament. we're not getting enough internationals anyway. If you don't care, that's your choice.
Might as well go ahead and say "everything besides Champions doesn't matter".
im aware that Ukrainian education is clearly lacking, but when you debate, you debate FACT.
You dont just say "ok but I feel like it matters even though the administrators of it says it doesnt"
PooFaceCe [#50]You can't read, im saying we WOULD be able to fill the slots, because we have WAY more really good T2 players, and your region is a group of 5 players
That is just false. If NA had 10 slots their quality of teams would be lower than you think. Also you would have some shit orgs who decided to build terrible rosters like what Heretics and KCorp did. EMEA is stacked with tier 2 talent, but teams are scared of giving them chances. Like whole FUT came from tier 2 and even though they didn't do that well in Tokyo(underperformance) they are still good.
PooFaceCe [#56]Then why is EMEA's T2 scene awful?
Why can EU never win shit other than their ONE TEAM, whereas NA is bouncing up and down from whos the best?
EMEA T2 scene has 9 leagues, each league has 8-10 teams. You have one league of 12 teams. It's easier for you to stack the talent together, because your player/team amount is way smaller in the first place.
hfmdzj314 [#54]who cares, we won. We're the best and thats what history will remember. Nobody gives a shit about middle of pack teams lmfao. Keep coping and seethin tho.
No history remembers Optic core as the best "team" Lemme know when FNC gets 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 2nd
PooFaceCe [#61]No history remembers Optic core as the best "team" Lemme know when FNC gets 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 4th 2nd
Optic needed more titles. And the one title they got was cause FPX and FNC players couldnt attend Iceland.
PooFaceCe [#58]im aware that Ukrainian education is clearly lacking, but when you debate, you debate FACT.
You dont just say "ok but I feel like it matters even though the administrators of it says it doesnt"
Your personal opinion of Lock-In is not a fact. It's just an opinion. Many people including me consider it to be valuable, and I never said "Lock-In is equal to Masters".
Ukrainian education is clearly better than what obese dumb americans learn in schools, you can't even comprehend the fact that Lock-In is still an international tournament.
patuj [#59]That is just false. If NA had 10 slots their quality of teams would be lower than you think. Also you would have some shit orgs who decided to build terrible rosters like what Heretics and KCorp did. EMEA is stacked with tier 2 talent, but teams are scared of giving them chances. Like whole FUT came from tier 2 and even though they didn't do that well in Tokyo(underperformance) they are still good.
difference is though, NA has a plethora of well funded ORG's, through franchising we Lost track of the objectively 2 best players in the world (Marved and Yay) and in turn got Shaartis and a streamer.
NA has a good other 3 or 4 T2 teams that are just as good as the T1 teams, and PLENTY more orgs that would hold those rosters or make intelligent moves.
Also I dont think your understanding something. Your saying "whole fut came from T2" like that means something? You do know that EG was a collegiate player, and 4 T2 players right?
Olofboost [#60]EMEA T2 scene has 9 leagues, each league has 8-10 teams. You have one league of 12 teams. It's easier for you to stack the talent together, because your player/team amount is way smaller in the first place.
Yea you cant fucking read can you
Olofboost [#63]Your personal opinion of Lock-In is not a fact. It's just an opinion. Many people including me consider it to be valuable, and I never said "Lock-In is equal to Masters".
Ukrainian education is clearly better than what obese dumb americans learn in schools, you can't even comprehend the fact that Lock-In is still an international tournament.
Okay hows about you do me a favor then.
Go look up "Sao Paulo" and tell me what the event is listed as... is it a major? a masters? a champions? a qualifier even?
NO, it is literally labeled as a "kickoff event" and it was a single elim, 32 team bracket that RIOT THEMSELVES said was "So the fans can get to know all the teams"
I'll leave that as my last response because ur obviously extremely fucking stupid, or just ignoring that Riot blatantly framed it that way
hfmdzj314 [#62]Optic needed more titles. And the one title they got was cause FPX and FNC players couldnt attend Iceland.
the classic EU cope😭
hfmdzj314 [#62]Optic needed more titles. And the one title they got was cause FPX and FNC players couldnt attend Iceland.
seems like that wasnt our problem kekw
PooFaceCe [#67]Okay hows about you do me a favor then.
Go look up "Sao Paulo" and tell me what the event is listed as... is it a major? a masters? a champions? a qualifier even?
NO, it is literally labeled as a "kickoff event" and it was a single elim, 32 team bracket that RIOT THEMSELVES said was "So the fans can get to know all the teams"
I'll leave that as my last response because ur obviously extremely fucking stupid, or just ignoring that Riot blatantly framed it that way
Whatever my guy, if you don't consider Lock-In worthy, feel free to think that way
PooFaceCe [#64]difference is though, NA has a plethora of well funded ORG's, through franchising we Lost track of the objectively 2 best players in the world (Marved and Yay) and in turn got Shaartis and a streamer.
NA has a good other 3 or 4 T2 teams that are just as good as the T1 teams, and PLENTY more orgs that would hold those rosters or make intelligent moves.
Also I dont think your understanding something. Your saying "whole fut came from T2" like that means something? You do know that EG was a collegiate player, and 4 T2 players right?
You are overrating these tier 2 teams. They wouldn't do shit vs top 4 Americas.
PooFaceCe [#40]NA had 2 teams go to tokyo, 2 of them ended top 4, EMEA had 4 come to Tokyo ONE ended top 4
anyone saying NA dogshit EMEA the best needs to see this even though their dumbasses wont be able to comprehend this
PooFaceCe [#68]Ironic
If EMEA had one league of 12 teams, there would be some amazing top-franchise level contenders. But we have Spanish, French, Nordic, Turkish, Eastern leagues etc., which scatters the best talent.
patuj [#72]You are overrating these tier 2 teams. They wouldn't do shit vs top 4 Americas.
your delusional
StrafingGoatWoweeClap [#14]aside from m80 and loud, tbh i dont see any potential with these team.
There’s no way you look at the players on SEN (maybe bar tenz) and say with a straight face that they don’t have firepower
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