So... I didn't watch the matches from the other regions, and mostly the LOUD and EG games (aside from the Brazilian teams), but to be honest, I felt that the teams were relying much more on firepower and the mistakes of their adversaries than on proper strategies.
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Will this be enough to people outside Brazil recognize saadhak as the greatest player of all time? (not talking about most talented, you know who im referring to)
We brazilians have been saying this for atleast half a year and people for some reason keep mentioning Chronicle????????
Chronicle
Good flex player (went -27 in today's BO5 btw)
2nd at Champions
1st at Master
1st at LOCK-IN with the most talented lineup ever (no merit on this/lucky win)
2nd at EMEA's League
Saadhak
Can basically play any agent, any role, WHILE CALLING
1st at Champions
2nd at Masters
2nd at LOCK-IN (started 2-0, threw a 11-3 lead, far better team overall)
1st at Americas League
Created 2 teams from scratch with unknown players and led them to the top
Saadhak is the GOAT of valorant so far
hard disagree. Chadhaak's teams have always been better than Chronicle's up until FNC. Don't think you can really call LOCK//IN a lucky win considering how mentally boomed FNC were and how much LOUD were thriving at 11-3 up. The mental resilience to make that comeback is immense - especially already being down 2-0 in the series, saying that LOUD are a far better team overall is... extrapolating, for sure.
re: 2 teams with unknown players... not really. Except for tuyz, all of the players he has played with have been top players in Brazil since aspas & friends was a thing
Either way, don't think Chronicle is the goat even though he is the most accomplished player. He is the best flex player for sure - rated top2 EMEA up until this grand final, but I'd have to argue more for Boaster or Derke being the goat.
In no way am I intending to nor do I truly think I am detracting from their massive comeback; BUT a team does usually have to lack the ability to close in order for a comeback to be possible. Now, how DEEP that problem is determines how hard another team has to work to achieve the comeback; Loud aren't weak.
But perhaps Sacy/Pancada added an element they no longer have and they have to figure out how to compensate to maintain their position internationally.
They have the potential to be better than the previous iteration. tuyz has a very high peak already for such a young, relatively unmolded player, and cauanzin has a higher skill ceiling than aspas IMO, which says a lot, but he's nowhere near as versatile as Sacy and is not an S-tier initiator utility-wise. But for both of them, that'll come with time
This LOUD roster could be the undisputed #1 with a mental coach, but I feel the same about C9, Liquid, NAVI, and DRX. Just a matter of time before one of them invests more heavily in that and becomes the pinnacle of VAL
Completely unrelated - what do you think TGRD's chances of making it to Champions League are? I think they are favorites for NA Challengers, and they have a bit of international experience, but getting mentally boomed seems to be their most significant gripe currently
I think mental isnt the direct issue i think nobody has the courage to take that team a step further than they are naturally as far as what they can bring to the Valorant Server.
Josh is a VERY vigilant coach
edit: im just sayin shit, josh is my boy Im just pulling old opinions back to light. theyve been doing alot behind the scenes
What do you believe the direct issue is, then?
Fair point
Surprised you say M80 would cream them, M80 have fallen off from their peak in Split 1 IMO. They don't look more refined and they've been struggling, although competition has skyrocketed. Moist look incredible with bonkar on the coach role, I could easily see them winning things too, esp since bonkar has EU anti-strat experience
Gambit roster clears any other roster possible. The reason why they failed in 2022 was no org support and d3ffo scoliosis(unlucky for him tbh, hope he gets better soon), EMEA finals had 3 Gambit players, and if you swap soulcas with sheydos lulquid would have reached the finals way easier, because unlike soulcas sheydos doesn't shit his pants under pressure(not saying that soulcas is bad, he just needs a psychologist because his aim is easily suygetsu/sheydos level).
We're extrapolating to say they clear any other roster. D3ffo was a consistent liability in matches - they had great strats, consistency, and teamplay, but mechanically, he was a massive hole. Compare him to any other top duelist - Derke, aspas, leaf, ardiis, Sayf, demon1 - he just wasn't up to snuff back then, and he most certainly isn't now.
I don't disagree on the Sheydos point, he's fucking cracked, but realistically, any roster from 2022 would not be able to compete with teams now. Maybe if Gambit stuck around until now they could've, but Gambit 2022 would not compete with LOUD, NRG, FNC, Liquid, DRX, PRX 2023
If you think that then you’d call the champs of Pacific “No Brain Aim duel gods”
No it clearly wasn’t all dependant on Aim bro, a lot of it came down to defaulting and reads since lotus,ascent and haven were played which are super default heavy maps which require a shit ton of reads by the team.
Nrg and Loud both are two of the best strat heavy teams in the game other than emea giants and some top pacific teams, they do rely on strats you might see them at surface level
- But with Demon1, anything is possible brother
- Agreed
- They almost threw Fracture after saadhaak's 1v3 ace - he got hyped on adrenaline and started calling rushes every round which almost threw the match. Shows a tiny chink in their armor - if he gets revved up, he'll make abrupt calls
- I think with more time, C9 have potential to be number 1. Playoffs was the first time they got challenged and they got mentally boomed in a few of those matches they lost
Americas top 4>any other top 4
Americas top 2>APAC top 2 but <EU
Americas top 1>=APAC but < EU
I'd also say they're 7-8th best teams are so much better than that of EMEA and APAC. 100T or SEN would likely be much better than BBL, TH, RRQ and GES.
So they are definitely in debate for the number one team
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