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why EU>NA

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#1
feaN

EU has 2 teams in top 4
NA has just 1..maybe its gonna be sentinels diff but EU teams better than other NA teams

#2
Aris
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2?

#3
feaN
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liquid and fnatic

#4
jahsaun
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but v1 beat liquid so this makes no sense

#6
feaN
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but fnatic beat v1 hard??

#8
jahsaun
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technically the 3 times that na and eu faced na is 2-1

#36
IsaacTheWhite
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you fail to realize v1 and fnatic was an extremely close game, while v1 beat liquid, while playing with a stand in...

#77
sentence
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You mean FNC and Sentinels was extremely close. FNC kinda pooped on V1.

#81
yowazzaa
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v1 was leading 12-11 on Map 1, sure they got "pooped on".

#7
Blinded
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But where did V1 place though? ok....

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feaN
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v1 is not in the top4 bro liqyid and fnatic are..sentinels can be better than all but other teams in NA are not good as EU teams

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jahsaun
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liquid is better than v1 but v1 beat them? makes sense bro!!

#20
Pristyna
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well, they are ranked 4, they got 250 points while v4 only got 200 so yeah, to everyone that didn't watch the matches and will watch the liquipedia page of the event, they will see liquid on top 4.

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Blinded
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Ok BBG are the best team in the world because they stomped SEN, yes bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#76
number_1_bjor_fan
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true

#54
RickyRick
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But you fail to see that both NA teams sent EU to losers bracket in the first games they played, so technically since the beginning of the tournament an EU team was getting knocked out by NA either way. V1 destroyed TL, and SEN will destroy FNC, its clearly just an NA diff.

#55
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where does this "destroy" comes from. fnc with sen was close... also... we can just pull the seeding argument. liquid would have been destroyed by sen, and v1 would have lost to fnatic, like they just did anyway, which would have made both regions have a a team in lower bracket... why didn't that happen? because liquid won challenger finals in emea with a 3:2 against fnatic... based on performance alone, overall, Liquid wouldn't stand a chance against Sen, but fnatic already played them and the games were close.

#56
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SEN 2-0 FNC, thats close to you? LMAO also the fact that TL beat FNC in Challenger finals, then lost to V1 with a stand in player is just pathetic, there for NA is just better at the game, dont be salty that EU got pooped on in their first matches against NA teams.

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ok so for you 2:1 is close and 2:0 isn't. noted.... it was a 13:11 and a 13:10... i mean ok... your logic is that if you win 2:0 by 13:11 or overtime is the same as winning 13:4 and 13:5... i swear only arguments that suit your arguments. Yes, it was close matches, unlike Sen vs Nuturn that was also 2:0 but in that case, it was a stomp.

#59
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SEN hasnt lost a map yet, where both EU teams look very bad this tournament, But to go back on it, If V1 beat TL, Fnc beat TL & V1, but SENS beats all of them, thats just NA being the better region no? how do you think EU is better LMAO

#70
Zaynio
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Sentinels was literally playing with FNC. Trolling and throwing rounds. They knew they controlled the game, just didn't finish it off right away.

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Pristyna
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Yeah. I bet, at one important event, when you go in 13-11 and 13-10 you troll and throw, but when you win 13-4 and 13-5, respectively 13-6 and 13-7 you try your best. I swear you guys would find any excuse to defend this team... Let me guess... they played with blindfolded and with hands tied when they got stomped by BBG. I start to see a pattern here with people that got tsm flairs...

#72
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No one ever said 13-6 and 13-7 was "trying your best." Certain games you can tell whether not it was close just based on the gun play and general stuff like that. Sen vs FNC was a strategical outplay in most cases and didn't look like Sentinels gave it their all. A lot of rounds within that match up were given up by Sentinels such as Icebox. They were 5 rounds up and then threw 4 rounds in a row after that just with misplacement of economy and getting cocky with plays. Same thing happened on haven with their clear advantage after half and winning both pistol rounds.

Any 13-4 game is a massive strategical outplay and is in no way "trying your best." If anything, "being in the zone" would be the more accurate term since they were just "feeling it that day" and outplayed their opponents badly.

Sentinels so far looked far too dominant within the scene. My TSM flair has nothing to do with this particular analysis, since it's just the team I've supported since beta so your ad hominem is just irresponsible.

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Pristyna
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ranking makes sense. also andbox or bbg has beaten sentinels but that didn't make them better or higher ranked than them...

#12
feaN
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explained

#15
Blinded
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1

#5
saladpalad
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Copium

#10
valulrantefanboy
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I don't know, NA have so many quality teams that can go toe to toe with SEN . Let's wait for tomorrow

#16
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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What NA team regularly goes toe-to-toe with SEN? They've lost two games in the region since the switch to TenZ. In a region where EVERYONE is trying to antistrat them, and play them regularly.

#19
valulrantefanboy
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Nah. 100T was so close to beat them, C9 , T1 also

#30
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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T1 was the one to go toe-to-toe against them definitely, but that was only once. Maybe 100T(they could've 2-0'd, but choked), but Bind was dominant for SEN and for C9B I don't think that was very close overall, considering SEN 3-0'd C9B before that and during a time where there was a meta-transition.

I mean NA is 100% a strong region, possibly stronger than EU and maybe EMEA and I agree, that we should wait until the tournament is over. Also we should wait a little bit after the tournament to see how the continuations are in their own regions. Maybe Liquid just fall apart and get exposed, maybe that happens to V1 too, we'll see.

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I agree that we should wait for tomorrow. I feel like people are rushing to give hot takes. Oh yea that ABX and T1 game that Sentinels lost and almost lost. ABX are really good. They'll still be really good. But Sentinels are a slow starter for some reason so they kinda just flopped in the early parts. And T1 abused the shit out of the meta. I think T1 and ABX will be very strong teams. But I think the current Sen will be much better than them. But as you said. We should wait to see what happens tomorrow and what happens at Masters Berlin and the time inbetween.

#14
blue64
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idk why yall are making these stupid reasonings and we haven't even seen grand finals. V1 was playing with a stand in, probably would have done better with wippie who is very strong.

#17
Blinded
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Yes ofc with wippie they would've 13-0'd Fnatic, dumbass.

#24
blue64
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gj bro you just angrily restated my point for no reason KEKW

#66
Blinded
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sarcasm...

#53
clocksky888
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bruh

#26
Asphyxia
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Jammyz is still carrying his load with his frags and his util. I feel like people are underestimating how well Jammyz is doing. I feel bad for wippie that he couldn't get a visa. But this proved that Jammyz is a top level player. It's not as much of a difference as people expect, although v1 would have done better with Wippie probably. (Jammyz usually had a very high acs during the tourney, right? at least he seemed to play almost up to par in Wippies place). I think V1 would've looked much better with Wippie but I still think they would get eliminated by Fnatic.

#35
blue64
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agreed but who knows what could have happened ig

#40
Cheddar
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I think V1 beat Nuturn with Wippie tho. So they finish top 3 at least.

#41
IsaacTheWhite
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exactly. if v1 can beat liquid, and take fnatic to overtime all with a stand in that should prove that na can be better

#63
Pristyna
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took them to overtime then got stomped on their map pick.

#18
p1lot
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NA>EU for now, stop with these stupid threads

#22
Pristyna
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No, just Sentinels > everyone and V1 > Liquid. That's all we have. Envy and 100T would probably win against liquid but lose against Fnatic. FPX would win against Envy and 100T but still lose against Fnatic, but we don't know unless it happens

#23
bobby_void
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nope, NA > EU dumbass delusional bitch fuck outta here

#28
Pristyna
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As long as Sentinels remains a dominant team constantly in NA while the matches go either way in EU with 2 eu teams in top 4 at masters, you're the one delusional to think an entire region is better than another just because their best team in the region is also the best in the world. Just proves that in NA there's a really low chance of any team to beat Sentinels, while EU or KR already had upsets when FPX and Vision Strikers didn't make it to iceland.

#31
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yes, the entire region is better because sentinels represent NA and are close in skill to other NA teams while FNC and TL represent the top of EU. the top of NA is better than the top of EU therefore NA >>> EU. fucking clown. you are delusional bitch

#34
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How are they close in skill to any NA team when they shit on everyone. As i said, they dominate NA 90% of the time, which means that there's no NA team good enough to win a tournament against them... How does that make them similar in skill if they get shat on by sentinels all the time. While in KR, Nuturn won against vision strikers, F4Q won against vision strikers, actually their first ever lost series was against F4Q there. In EU, FPX didn't make it, the presumed top team of EU, Liquid beat Fnatic for Iceland, now Fnatic beat liquid... The skill level is closer in EU than in NA, just because the tournaments are going either way, while in NA it's just 1 sided for Sentinels for a long time already. Moreover, all the grand finals for Sen were 3:0s... Liquid vs Fnatic was a 3:2, the previous tournament, was a 3:1 for fnatic against liquid.

#61
EdmondN1
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You're literally wasting your time preaching to him, because he cannot take out his head from his ***.

Sean Gares, @sgares, literally said the same thing. Region-wise he thinks that EU is better than NA, because EU has like 10 top teams and NA has like 5 ok teams. If you do not believe it, feel free to visit his twitch channel or twitter and watch his stream from yesterday. He was exactly talking about this.

To summarize it, in what he believes, especially for now: SEN > EU (as region) > NA (rest of it)

#39
Gomes255
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just because norway has magnus carlsen in chess and he's the best rn by a good distance, does that mean norway is the best country in chess? no, literally nothing you said there is correct

#32
cryyBAE
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V1 won against Liquid. V1 > liquid andd SEN > FNC. How EU > NA?

Liquid get the top4 because got a easier bracket than V1.

#38
Fattest_Lard
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V1 beat Liquid with a sub they had played with for a week... with wippie they wouldn't have lost to Nuturn. Now I still think Fnatic would beat them after V1 would lose in the upper bracket final but that would mean V1 would place 3rd with wippie. Just consider that they were on match points for a few rounds on both maps with jammyz(who btw has always been a tier 2 NA player) and that with wippie, who is not only a better player and viper but he has been with V1 for months... Sen>FNC>V1>Liquid imo so NA top 2>EU top 2 imo

#49
ShiningTyGuy
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just putting this out there wippie only joined V1 right before challenger final in NA and replaced player1 who was dropped April 16th. Wippie wasn't made official till April 28th, so he has not been with V1 for months. I do agree that Wippie is better tho

#52
Pristyna
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Liquid still didn't do much in any tournament prior to Challengers Finals. And even in Challengers 2 where they lost 3:1 against Fnatic, they most likely made it so far because of seeding, winning against BDS and some unknown team. Just like many teams get by the end of a tournament because someone does the job for them... But being in lower bracket while everyone gets knocked out of the upper bracket by the same dominant team, and beating them one by one, knocking them out of the tournament, just as V1 did, only proves that they are just better... It's sad for V1 that... just because they lost in the end, people will say that they were not good representatives, but when they won against liquid everyone was V1 so good, NA>EU etc...

#80
Fattest_Lard
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Yeah like I was saying, neither Liquid nor V1 did shit before the Challengers Finals so the argument of "EU didn't have it's best teams" could also easily apply to NA with V1. Personally, I didn't think V1 was a top 2 team until they beat Liquid and now I'm uncertain. The thing about NA is that there is 1 consistent #1 team with Sen but the #2 team is constantly changing. After First Strike, 100T looked like the #2 or even #1 team in NA, then after NV beat Sen, they looked like a top 2 team, then FaZe looked like the #2 team after they dominated everyone but Sen and now V1 looks like the #2 team because of their lower bracket run in the Challengers Finals. With EU, FPX is always like top 3 but they have always been overshadowed by 1 or 2 teams. Before First Strike it was G2, after First Strike it was Heretics and Fnatic, then after Masters it was Acend and Heretics and now it is Liquid and Fnatic. Also you say Liquid just got good seeding but they won the EMEA finals, beating FPX and Fnatic. V1 is absolutely a great team and are 100% a top 5 team in NA(same goes for Liquid in EU) and they were great representatives but what I'm saying is Liquid and V1 aren't really top 2 teams in EU and NA but only made it to Iceland due to extremely recent success. In my mind, the team that have been consistently great for months like FPX, 100T and Envy all are better teams than Liquid and V1 cause anyone can have a good tourney at any given moment.

#51
FireII
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the reason there is 2 is literally bc liquid got an easy game against vks, while v1 had to play the eventual grand final candidate... v1 are better than liquid, they beat them

#65
Sean
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that's like saying that Andbox is better than Sentinels because they beat them 2-0 in Challengers 2 or BBG is better than Sentinels. You can't make such conclusions based on a single series, especially when it was Liquid's first game on LAN with quite inexperienced players other than Scream and Jamppi

#68
deww
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why do you have to be so right

#57
vollizie
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Idk, considering V1 played with a sub and still beat Liquid and nearly made Top 4 is quite impressive imo. Both regions are at the top so w/e.

#62
RickyRick
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if you didnt believe it, you wouldnt be trying to argue anything LMAO

#64
Sean
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I want to see teams like the new G2, Heretics, Acend, FPX etc compete against NA. I also want to see 100T, C9 and NV play against EU teams.
I personally think EU has a larger depth of good teams compared to NA while Sentinels could be the best team in the world. However, if Fnatic manage to beat Sentinels tomorrow then I'll be slightly disappointed as Sentinels are by far the best team in NA currently while you couldn't say the same about Fnatic

#67
deww
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agreed

#69
sins
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TRUEEEE why the fuck eu doesnt have lower bracket ffs

#74
Asphyxia
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I can't wait for the new Heretics and G2 rosters. They're gonna be completely reworked and they'll have on goal until Masters Berlin. And the teams to beat will be fnatic and liquid. I want to see how every team will try to improve from watching iceland or playing in iceland. Europe after masters reykjavik will be different. I'm not sure whether fpx or any of these teams will still be top tier by the time the next masters rolls around but, I want to see C9B in masters. I'm a C9B simp. Idk I just like their personalities and how they play. Hopefully they practiced and got better during the break and can finally be a top tier roster(even though they already are, i want to see them at berlin).

#75
maldoror
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how are you coping before EU even has lost man cmon

#78
hiloljkbye
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there's really people in here saying TL is better than V1 cuz they placed 4th and beat Brazil lmao you guys are something else

#79
Fattest_Lard
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Didn't mean to post this

#82
Danny
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Liquid only had to face Krü and Vikings to get top 4

If V1 had lost against liquid they would’ve been top 4

Also EU still won’t win the tournament hahaha

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