Is this the worst meta?

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Blazieboy

People were really happy when Chamber was nerfed and thought that the meta would become diverse and likeable. But is the current meta really good? Yes, we have fast paced Valorant but is the meta really that diverse. Killjoy pickrates are at an all time high with NA boasting nearly 81% KJ use, Apac at 70% and EMEA at 60%. Skye and Jett also have high pickrates at around 60% average. Astra-Viper has been replaced by Harbor-Viper and now with the release of Bind again, we have one more strong map for the controller duo and Skye. Nearly 10 Agents have a less than 10% pick rate and at Champs 2022 it was only 4 agents.

Talk all you want about how bad Chamber was for Valorant but it brought so many different comps to the fold. Neon, Raze, Phoenix and Jett all had equal pickrates, Initiators were balanced, Controllers were balanced and Sentinels alone wasn't balanced(KJ, Cypher were some niche picks).

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It's fun to watch NGL, but yeah agents need balancing as usual.

Riot's idea of balancing is nerfing the shit out of the top pick rates, so that doesn't help.

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Idk where you get fun to watch from cause it definitely isn't. Chamber was the most fun meta out of every single meta. It broke the game because of how strong he was but that was what made all the clutches and high level crazy clutches so insane. It brought the neon meta which had to be one of the most fun to watch comps in the game, super fast paced creative and ridiculous.
What part of this "meta" (which is p much what we had in the early stages of the game + harbor viper) is fun to watch? What's fast paced about it? Everyone is slowly scaling up using walls and smokes with a million different angles cut off and rat corners to play. This meta is one of the most boring and annoying to watch. You can't tell wtf is going on half the time in high level games

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SAMPV6

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Jesus it's not that deep bro

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ngl..

this KJ meta is worse than chambers

but that’s just me

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Not worse than astra. People can play fast or slow also were seeing a lot of diversity around certain playstyles in lotus and most other maps. Even ascent has gotten interesting with c9 comp. Pearl is the only boring map that requires double wall. Kj does need nerf tho and chamber a buff. The game is healthy when there is not one best awper.

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I believe Icebox also takes viper harbor

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Cresp

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Icebox is gone

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Blazieboy

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Pearl and Haven are the 2 maps that should be taken out next IMO. Bring back revamped Breeze and a new map for Champs. I don't want spam B simulator to make it.

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Pearl maybe, Haven is a staple in the same way ascent is - feel like it’s a balanced map that people like to play.

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Cresp

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Ascent is not balanced. Haven is.

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finally someone without goldfish memory who remembers astra meta. back then, there was no such thing as rushing a site

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ItsHunter

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Not worse than astra but I preferred the chamber meta over this new one, read my post up top

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Cresp

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Chamber brought duelist diversity, but he would also bring duelist diversity if he wasnt op, just a viable option. I said I thought the game was healthy if both oppers were good enough to be interchangeable.

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The problem is that they nerf kj instead of buffing cypher and sage and chamber like what? Cypher hasnt been nerfed since like fucking beta and he more or less has never been in the meta

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Blazieboy

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He was back in early 2020-21. Dapr, FNS all used to play a lot of Cypher back then.

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Ryan9500

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buffing everyone else rather than nerfing one agent creates power creep, which just worsens the balancing issue down the line

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Chamber is worse it's not even funny. Well it was fun to watch at least but it's ridiculous how untradable he was. But I agree with you. Let's see what they cook with the next Sentinel

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Rather than making a new sentinel they should just balance them all

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Simp4S0m

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Feel like it's probably difficult because if they buff them, they will be too OP and getting into site is much more difficult, so definitely need a KJ nerf. It's just her ult tbh, it's the best in the game right now with Viper's ult

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SamBR

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no

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TakoSaki

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original jett meta was the best, most fun to watch and skillful
astra meta was decent but she was pretty overpowered
chamber meta was shit
meta rn is pretty meh but its not bad

rito needs to start buffing weaker agents instead of nerfing the good agents

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every couple of months I see this type of thread on either twitter or vlr: "worst meta this worst meta that" jesus fuck stop complaining chamber meta was by far the worst and there is no debate on that

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Blazieboy

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Well you have to provide a reasoning for that.

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DELUSIONAL_SHAHZAM_FAN

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Sole proof needed: yay

Here's a source for your research:
Yay Twitter

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im fine with kj meta because it doesnt feel as difficult to play against as peak chamber or astra/viper.

but pls remove pearl its just go main and spam spike

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wewZ

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viper go brrr

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brobeans

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they need to buff awping some way. it was over-nerfed from old chamber/jett days. and now teams are very good at util placement/dumping along with running harbor as 2nd smoke - it's better to have another phantom instead of awping

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lielahh

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AWP is bought on defense by (usually) a Jett. It’s not usually bought on atk, as it shouldn’t be - op shouldn’t be like CS AWP

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brobeans

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whole game is cs and awping is a large part of what makes comp cs so fun to watch

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CorpL

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it's not cs though. it's a lot more chaotic, bombarded with util and util. while the concept is from cs, it's a totally different game. i do understand what you are saying, awp/op is what makes tac shooter game extra fun to watch, but a buff is a bit too much, the op, while not perfect, for the current meta, is finely balanced. i do see a chance of a slight buff but not likely

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number1_MIBR_hater

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coldzera, a CS legend already said operator on valorant is way more balanced than awp in CS: https://twitter.com/coldzera/status/1593732162620215296

he also said on stream the same thing, showing how broken awp can be compared to val

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brobeans

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the awp itself has always been fine. it’s the current pro meta that makes awping bad. in cs, you don’t have a million smokes, mollies, and brim ult knocking you off every angle possible

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number1_MIBR_hater

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in cs, you don’t have a million smokes

literally now it's possible to drop grenades on the ground and you can loot grenades from other LMAO

PLUS, IDK if you would understand, but cold made a video about it where he shows how awp is broken and also how awp skill cieling is really low (excluding geniuses like prime fallen, s1mple, zywoo, etc)

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siphonval

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with chamber meta there was Raze, Neon picks on off meta map, Fade was good

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acels2

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any meta is better than chamber meta

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clutchzero

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astra's meta was the worst by far.

y'all complain about yay's chamber, but it shouldn't be easy to forget that astra were so strong that zombs became a god, both in support and clutching because she literally had no counter.

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Domination

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It's bound to happen, teams are gonna abuse escape agents no matter what, if Chamber is nerfed then they go back to abuse Jett so other duelists have low pick rates now🗿

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Darkhunter

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yup, these 1 trick duelists cant play another duelist lmaoo,
aspas:- his raze is not as good as compared to his jett lmao
derke:- same thing, he can play raze but not as good as jett like compared to asuna, nukkye.
cryo: this guy is another one trick after yay
Cned:- bro looks washed on jett itself let alone raze lmao
scream:- his way of playing of duelist is to just abuse his aim
leaf:- his raze idk , prob not better and he is playing skye some maps prob because of that.
I don't remember any other duelists right now...

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CGX

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u really put scream on " 1 trick duelist" ? dude have highest duelist stats in mulitple agents

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Darkhunter

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nah, I did not say anything about scream being one trick????? I said he just abuses his aim so it does not matter what agent he plays.

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PunisherXPR

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I mean, if you have good aim you should abuse it? It is a shooter game after all.......

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Neonfreak

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If you say this is the worst meta than you don't clearly remember astra meta it was pretty bad...

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Honestly controllers are really balanced rn. Every single agent is usable, harbor for pearl and atleast 1-2 maps if the teams want to. Viper redemption arc. Brim will also be more viable with bind back. Omen and astra are interchangeable.

Raze is still really good though, but the thing is teams have better jett players (ex- LOUD, NAVI). Other teams are playing raze if they have the players.
As for sentinels, just buff chamber traps, honestly think itd fix a lot of issues with him. Cypher is also good, the problem is if he is buffed, he will become overpowered, so nerfing kj should be better.

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Blazieboy

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They honestly should make a Sentinel balance patch like they did last year with all Controllers.

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horse69

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we need neon meta
neon is so fun to watch

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solsolid

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this kj meta > chamber meta > astra meta

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Dybala21

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Nah, astra meta is the worst back in 2021

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Riot has a thing for harshly nerfing the best agents and barely buffing the worst, sure it prevents power creep but it just results in way too many characters feeling/being impactful
they need to start buffing the worse agents to keep rather than tearing the rest into the ground. KJ was never during Chamber meta, she's just busted now because her main competitor is gone, and now they're nerfing her aswell. they're just lowering the overall power level of the game and making it feel worse to play

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skye is balanced rn shes only played because of double smokes or sage+senti comps.

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emirerays

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This meta is the best rn and chamber meta was awful

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This meta is only boring because teams can't risk to adapt and create new playstyles yet.

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Xav

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people will say that this meta is good but wait until like champs/lcq time it will be mega boring worse than chamber meta