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So Franchising was a good thing after all?
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CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#5]Yes, Very good
We have hyped superteams (fnc), underdogs with a lot of potential (GE) and unexpected performances (Talon)
On the other hand we have liquid but all good
Not trying to hate but how does GE have a lot of potential? Like what do you see which oozes untapped potential?
moatz [#3]Good for us as viewers
Bad for pros tryna break into the scene
Yea gonna be rough for them now. Almost impossible.
Also, Yay case might be familiar because of the already ongoing season. He might not land in a franchised team this year cause of his pay and stuff. Not sure maybe he does 😔
JustEnjoying [#6]Not trying to hate but how does GE have a lot of potential? Like what do you see which oozes untapped potential?
they won a map against vit while playing with a sub and some people have said that the 2 indian players werent at the boot camp so they might have a chance to perform good in the regional tournaments
JustEnjoying [#9]No more Trents?
if there are more Trents, it’s gonna be at least two years until they get into franchising
Aito [#10]they won a map against vit while playing with a sub and some people have said that the 2 indian players werent at the boot camp so they might have a chance to perform good in the regional tournaments
oh alright, Imma support rossi in everything he does anyways so hopefully that's the case
Good for NA bad for EU. NA tier 2 scene is well developed with teams that look as good as some of the best in franchising the region having such a high concentration of orgs and players facilitates that. EU has a faltering tier 2 scene, teams are good but little monetization which means its not sustainable unless riot does something about it. Apac feels about the same
Shownu [#2]Ofcourse
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Cresp [#15]Good for NA bad for EU. NA tier 2 scene is well developed with teams that look as good as some of the best in franchising the region having such a high concentration of orgs and players facilitates that. EU has a faltering tier 2 scene, teams are good but little monetization which means its not sustainable unless riot does something about it. Apac feels about the same
if rito includes some sort of monetary reward for premier mode they can probably save a lot of the t2 scenes around the world
jawn [#18]if rito includes some sort of monetary reward for premier mode they can probably save a lot of the t2 scenes around the world
Hopefully they do something
jawn [#16]we still haven't seen the bad things about franchising tho, like the scummy orgs tanking for profit
We’re getting there already, we’re in the process of seeing it happen with C9 lol and we saw the whole shenanigans RRQ tried to pull
jawn [#18]if rito includes some sort of monetary reward for premier mode they can probably save a lot of the t2 scenes around the world
Might be it. Even if it's an average prize pool it will motivate people to excel
JustEnjoying [#6]Not trying to hate but how does GE have a lot of potential? Like what do you see which oozes untapped potential?
Their cohesion looked fairly off. Also the players themselves are individually great so i see a lot of potential in this team
queueK [#24]It's not complete until premier releases
yea I forgot about that before this thread. So can't say unless it's fully done uh
titanwithpp [#4]Yes and the people who were against it before either didn't know about the future of it or were just stubborn delusionals
Could you elaborate why being against franchising is delusional? Why is franchising better than CSGO open system in the first place?
isn't fully setup until premier, however it does make it hard for the jump of tier2 to tier1, altho the ascension tourneys were prob the best way riot coulda done it, so its kept the tier2 scenes not completely dead like how people freaked out about it initially. Time will tell but after lockin I'd say alot of teams have shown potential and that its geniunely wide open for masters outside of maybe a few lock teams.
MerkFreeks [#28]isn't fully setup until premier, however it does make it hard for the jump of tier2 to tier1, altho the ascension tourneys were prob the best way riot coulda done it, so its kept the tier2 scenes not completely dead like how people freaked out about it initially. Time will tell but after lockin I'd say alot of teams have shown potential and that its geniunely wide open for masters outside of maybe a few lock teams.
Yea also NA t2 is booming with how many streamers are investing into new teams lol. Must be a good sign, no?
Cresp [#15]Good for NA bad for EU. NA tier 2 scene is well developed with teams that look as good as some of the best in franchising the region having such a high concentration of orgs and players facilitates that. EU has a faltering tier 2 scene, teams are good but little monetization which means its not sustainable unless riot does something about it. Apac feels about the same
EU is bound to falter with soo many regional leagues and no CIS leagues. This shit is stupid, we need like 4 at max, CIS, TR, EU and MENA. Maybe EU 1 and EU 2. Like is there even enough appeal for portugal, france, spain to be completely different? Wouldnt concentrating these orgs and teams in 12 team brackets of EU 1 and EU 2 not be better?
JustEnjoying [#8]Yea gonna be rough for them now. Almost impossible.
Also, Yay case might be familiar because of the already ongoing season. He might not land in a franchised team this year cause of his pay and stuff. Not sure maybe he does 😔
i mean tbh that's how it should be. It makes being a tier 1 pro that much more worth while. People have to actually work really hard to make it.
Aito [#10]they won a map against vit while playing with a sub and some people have said that the 2 indian players werent at the boot camp so they might have a chance to perform good in the regional tournaments
well wrongski the oce player was apparently not there and he's on their starter.
JustEnjoying [#8]Yea gonna be rough for them now. Almost impossible.
Also, Yay case might be familiar because of the already ongoing season. He might not land in a franchised team this year cause of his pay and stuff. Not sure maybe he does 😔
All tier 2 pros now have an established circuit to complete in. Plus in the future 2 teams are gonna be ascending each year. That’s 10 players + other random pick ups it’s A LOT of tier 2 spots going into tier 1 each year
BoF7ooM [#30]EU is bound to falter with soo many regional leagues and no CIS leagues. This shit is stupid, we need like 4 at max, CIS, TR, EU and MENA. Maybe EU 1 and EU 2. Like is there even enough appeal for portugal, france, spain to be completely different? Wouldnt concentrating these orgs and teams in 12 team brackets of EU 1 and EU 2 not be better?
true theres almost no viewership in regional leagues would be better to put them together imo
JustEnjoying [#29]Yea also NA t2 is booming with how many streamers are investing into new teams lol. Must be a good sign, no?
Oh yeah T2 NA is doing great, I just hope EMEA and APAC continue to gain support both from the fans, players, and orgs because some regions are doing great while others are struggling within these areas.
laurus [#27]Could you elaborate why being against franchising is delusional? Why is franchising better than CSGO open system in the first place?
he is an idiot don’t listen to him
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#5]Yes, Very good
We have hyped superteams (fnc), underdogs with a lot of potential (GE) and unexpected performances (Talon)
On the other hand we have liquid but all good
GE LMFAOOOOO
spicytuna [#31]always been a good thing imo. yeah a lot of talented players get left out but franchising gives us the best of the best (most teams anyways... looking at you rrq)
rrq and dfm need to get their shit together realized they need some better players.
JustEnjoying [#8]Yea gonna be rough for them now. Almost impossible.
Also, Yay case might be familiar because of the already ongoing season. He might not land in a franchised team this year cause of his pay and stuff. Not sure maybe he does 😔
this happens a lot in league unfortunately, and is running on a similar system
One of the best EU botlaners last year was benched and was inactive for a third of this season, partially cause pay and partially cause he wanted someone better to play with than someone they brought in
Cresp [#15]Good for NA bad for EU. NA tier 2 scene is well developed with teams that look as good as some of the best in franchising the region having such a high concentration of orgs and players facilitates that. EU has a faltering tier 2 scene, teams are good but little monetization which means its not sustainable unless riot does something about it. Apac feels about the same
9 Leagues in a region dominated by CS influence + No sponsor interest as almost 80% of funding in EMEA esports comes from betting + low viewership cause of poor marketing and lack of storylines (except France they do some wizard shit) + recession-making tournament organisers make heavy budget cuts (also thanks to the lack of sponsors) + organizations not being interested in the league's cause of all the above stuff + Rito not putting much financial support to help us even though we clearly need it thus making the product even more shit.
BoDork [#42]9 Leagues in a region dominated by CS influence + No sponsor interest as almost 80% of funding in EMEA esports comes from betting + low viewership cause of poor marketing and lack of storylines (except France they do some wizard shit) + recession-making tournament organisers make heavy budget cuts (also thanks to the lack of sponsors) + organizations not being interested in the league's cause of all the above stuff + Rito not putting much financial support to help us even though we clearly need it thus making the product even more shit.
Only about to get better with cs2 ig....
Mortadelo [#43]Only about to get better with cs2 ig....
Which is why Riot has to take action now and not later
BoDork [#44]Which is why Riot has to take action now and not later
The lock in really has fucked this first split up. We have 1.5k viewers rn in Spain and I don't think anyone even knows it's being played. Hopefully things change for split 2 with ascension and everything
Mortadelo [#45]The lock in really has fucked this first split up. We have 1.5k viewers rn in Spain and I don't think anyone even knows it's being played. Hopefully things change for split 2 with ascension and everything
There wasn't much focus on split 1 from any TO tbh, split 2 was supposed to be the big games and all that jazz but unfortunately I can see nothing really changing and stuff only to get worse with the budget cuts
BoDork [#46]There wasn't much focus on split 1 from any TO tbh, split 2 was supposed to be the big games and all that jazz but unfortunately I can see nothing really changing and stuff only to get worse with the budget cuts
all we can do is hope Riot realizes it
Mortadelo [#48]all we can do is hope Riot realizes it
Trying my best to make them realise but sadly think something might only happen in 2024 which might be too late.
BoDork [#49]Trying my best to make them realise but sadly think something might only happen in 2024 which might be too late.
Keep it up then man
moatz [#3]Good for us as viewers
Bad for pros tryna break into the scene
I think some relegation system would make it more competitive and allow upcoming pros to make it in; basically a more fluid cycle of teams and talent between t1 and t2
BoDork [#49]Trying my best to make them realise but sadly think something might only happen in 2024 which might be too late.
Wait just realized they're giving away watch parties to streamers who are no related to the teams. Viewership is a lot higher than I thought
Mortadelo [#53]Wait just realized they're giving away watch parties to streamers who are no related to the teams. Viewership is a lot higher than I thought
It's decent, but watch parties aren't helping interest sadly as sponsors aren't interested in them
BoDork [#54]It's decent, but watch parties aren't helping interest sadly as sponsors aren't interested in them
Does promote the league tho
Ullyr [#39]rrq and dfm need to get their shit together realized they need some better players.
yeah for sure. theyre severely lacking behind, even in comparison to tier2 teams
JustEnjoying [#21]Might be it. Even if it's an average prize pool it will motivate people to excel
They could just give the winner 5000 vp or something and most people will be hyped.
For the players in franchising? Definitely, top salaries, stability that does not rely on performance (your org can't get "kicked" from the league)
For the companys involved? Definitely yes, massive profits
Now... for the true competition? Definitely not, just look at CSGO majors, every single team must qualify, that's real competition
For the upcoming talent, aspiring pros, tier 2 pros and tier 1 pros that didn't have connections to be on a franchised team? Definitely not
For the viewer? Not sure, upsets will be very rare and you'll rarely see a top team emerging from nothing like the guard
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