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SaltyMcNulty

If ScreaM and Nivera leaves, getting Ardiis is clearly their best bet right?

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jamppi is already chamber but maybe

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jampii or Ardiis can both play as secondary duelist. Getting stuck in an agent-player mentality is crazy stupid imo when the meta is forever changing. Over the time they will have to adapt to whatever is meta. Don't forget that Ardiis used to be a sova main, then a Jett entry and now he is an OPer.

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Yeah but both of them are some of the best Chamber/OP players in EMEA, so picking both wouldn't make much sense. Also if Jett becomes meta its also played by both (maybe). And Jett and/or Chamber have been meta for long time and won't change any time soon. Like would you put either of these guys on Raze?

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Why wouldn't it make sense? It's not like Ardiis' rifle is garbage! I would even argue he is one of the best riflers itw and his rifle>OP. Also, meta will change for sure. They have another chamber nerf on the way and apparently 4 agents are going to be released each yr. So, agent bans are not a far away concept.

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His rifle is good, but I think he would be wasted on rifle role. Obviously teams have long wait for next season so people have time to make role changes. But I overall doubt Ardiis would go to TL if he wanted to stay in EU. He has spot in NaVi already.

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Lol jamppi is there who is easily as good as ardiis. It makes no sense taking ardiis

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u must be joking, ardiis is way better than jamppi

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LOL

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Jamppi is good as ardiis

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I think ardiis is better rifler. But jamppi definitely is a better oper

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it may be but ardiis' chamber is better than jammpi's

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As a chamber they might be pretty equal, as a player? Hell no I’m taking Jamppi any day of the week. Dude plays literally any role in the game

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That was in the past. Rn the only other agent he plays is sage on bind and he clearly isn't that good at it. Ardiis is in general slightly better with better game sense but jamppi's op is superior

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Because he is not required to? He plays what the team needs him to play which rn it’s Chamber but, when I’m the past was omen he played omen when it was sova he played sova, breach, killjoy. He even IGLed

Meanwhile Ardiis plays Jett and Chamber but he CAN’T flex to any other agent, yes his aim still great on agents like Sova when he used to played them but his utility usage was lamentable and as a G2 fan trust me I know. He didn’t know a single reference lmao. He is an amazing player but saying he is more versatile than Jamppi it’s just not true

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Ardiis also played kayo and if he grinds he can easily play skye as well. So he would become as versatile as jamppi then(only not being able to play smokes). And ardiis is way better at rifling than jamppi and also has better game sense. Jamppi tho is way better on op. That's why I said they are overall pretty equal

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Exactly, I also think they are pretty even. But as you just admitted Jamppi plays more roles, and not just that, he can IGL which might not be his best quality but still better than what Ardiis can do.

Simply think he is a more complete player, love ardiis tho, nicest and funniest guy, so glad he’s doing amazing he’s had some rough times

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??? ardiis is literally more versatile
jammpi basically only plays Chamber

and I won't even bring ardiis' gamesense to the table in this one

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Mortadelo

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How is Ardiis more versatile than Jamppi? I buy he might be better chamber rn, but more versatile? How?

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both good but ardiis looked better because of team diff

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Why does Ardiis have to replace jampii. It's a crazy concept that players should be signed based on their capability on a single agent! Ardiis used to be a sova main btw. He is a mechanically talented player so putting him or even Jamppi on any duelist would make a lot of sense.

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I don't think they should get ardiis unless he's willing to play smokes
Jamppi is a 10x better chamber than him

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Nah. They both are equally good. Calling jamppi 10x better is a huge L

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When did this jamppi better than ardiis narrative start

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SaltyMcNulty

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I can see Ardiis on jett, raze, reyna, phx or whatever duelist becomes meta.

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I mean Ardiss can learn how to raze few maps like Bind/Haven/Fracture and on Ascent/Breeze/Icebox he can go Jett.

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SaltyMcNulty

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Exactly. People act like Ardiis is only good at OPing thus he should be signed as a chamber player and should forever play that agent LMAO. Agent bans can't come soon enough for these people lmao.

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If Scream leaves they need a secondary duelist, best options are Trexx and Nukkye by far

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Nukkye is so overrated that it's not even funny. Ardiis clears and I have no doubt Ardiis can adapt to Jett, raze, phoenix etc with a few weeks of practice.

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He didn’t learn a single Sova reference for an entire year, he is a great duelist but utility it’s just not his job.

And about Nukkye you misspelled the word underrated. Dude has always been the best player on every single team he’s been to, he used to be considered a top player and he is just as good now his teams simply fell apart but that doesn’t mean he is any worse individually

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Jamppi
trexx
nAts
Sheydos
Redgar best roster for TL imo

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Wonder if Jamppi speaks Russian, many Finish people do