am i witnessing 100T win an international before g2 AND before c9 quals to an international
am i witnessing
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"International" means involving, connecting, or occurring between two or more nations. It describes anything that crosses or extends beyond national boundaries, such as global trade, diplomacy, or travel.
By that definition apart from china regional competition are internationals and we all know that they don't count.
I didn't even say anything political, China is literally just the only region that doesn't have more than one nation participating.
Features of a non-mickey international event:
Top teams from each region competes (holds for EWC)
Decent crowd size and production (holds for EWC)
Format that upholds competitive integrity (holds for EWC + qualifiers too)
Teams playing at full strength (holds for EWC)
Top teams from each region competes
Missing Leviatan the most recent masters winners and has "top teams" like KC and RRQ
Decent crowd size and production
Production was an issue throughout the entire time of the tournament like when they put coaches at the wrong coach booth or the many tech pauses
Teams playing at full strength
Ahh yes its not like EDG was playing with a sub, GE having a bunch of internal issues, the teams from London hardly having any prep time, and some teams experimenting with new rosters, that's exactly what I'd call "full strength" not
Missing Leviatan
Sure it does put an asterisk on the win, optic also won reykjavic when fpx couldn't attend
"Top teams" like KC and RRQ
They weren't gifted slots they came through qualifiers therefore they are the top teams
Production was an issue
Most events run with their fair share of problems but events of global scale usually have a lot of resources put into their production + they sort out issues as the tournament progress which did happen here
EDG w sub, GE with internal problems
It's not uncommon for a couple teams to go into tournaments with subs/internal issues/sickness, there's a lot of variance from life's randomness. For example Fnatic won tokyo when PRX were without their best player something, Heretics shanghai without miniboo, Gflu just to mention a few.
Teams from London hardly having any prep time
Scheduling issues are also not uncommon in sports. Teams had uneven prep time going into London, heck LEV had like a couple days of prep going in and they won.
You’re arguing with someone who refuses to be wrong. He’ll kill himself before admitting there are more than one opinion to every situation
Haha thanks for mentioning that and ngl I know that pretty much. To me it's not even about getting someone to admit they're wrong I'm just putting my thought process out there. Read and formulate your own opinion.
They weren't gifted slots they came through qualifiers therefore they are the top teams
The qualifiers were online which already makes it so there isn't as much stakes or pressure, there were a lot of teams either in the process of making changes or about to make changes(ex. Kru not taking the qualifiers seriously at all since they knew silentzz would be gone) and were most likely doing trials probably influencing who they were practicing with.
Most events run with their fair share of problems but events of global scale usually have a lot of resources put into their production + they sort out issues as the tournament progress which did happen here
An event with the resources that EWC have the amount of tech issues, security issues, and brainless blunders EWC had.
It's not uncommon for a couple teams to go into tournaments with subs/internal issues/sickness, there's a lot of variance from life's randomness. For example Fnatic won tokyo when PRX were without their best player something, Heretics shanghai without miniboo, Gflu just to mention a few.
Its not uncommon, but that takes away from a teams strength and overall lowers the level of competition and when you have multiple orgs that have issues then the competition suffers
Scheduling issues are also not uncommon in sports. Teams had uneven prep time going into London, heck LEV had like a couple days of prep going in and they won.
Except there shouldn't be scheduling issues in the first place when the VCT schedule is public knowledge and EWC could have planned qualifiers during the offseason or the break between Santiago and stage 1. And Lev got much better the more they played at London, they weren't that masters winning team at the start, in fact they started a little shaky and only time and playing made them better.
qualifiers were online
Everything was online before 2023 and will be again starting next year (so by your logic all internationals before 2023 were mickey and will be mickey from next year onwards)
Teams were in the process of making changes
Teams make changes in the middle of splits all the time doesn't mean they don't take it seriously (sure for kru I can understand but m8 qualified with glyph who was leaving RRQ qualified with monyet who was getting bencher)
takes away from a teams strength and overall lowers the level of competition
1/16 is a pretty good ratio imo, I can prob name multiple majors with a lot worse ratios.
shouldn't be scheduling issues in the first place
Lev got much better the more they played at London, they weren't that masters winning team at the start, in fact they started a little shaky and only time and playing made them better.
You yourself say that scheduling doesn't impact actual performance all that much. DRG and XLG all had 6 weeks to prepare yet they didn't do all that well did they?
Sure proper scheduling is ideal but the lack of it doesn't automatically make an event mickey mouse does it? Back in 2023-24 the season used to be squeezed into 5 months if terrible scheduling makes an event mickey mouse then everything back then was mickey mouse.
they didn't qual, NOT OUR FAULT. beat Champs 25 Winner, Santiago Winner, Aspas Zekken, and BBL
played in the quals, lost to MIBR and NRG. like Pacific sent Global and FullSense to London does that mean it isn't as good since NS, T1, and RRQ missed?
online qualifiers are different from lan qualifiers, some teams prioritized masters over wc, the timeline of tournaments usually goes qualifier -> tournament -> next qualifier -> next tournemnt, etc, and since that isnt the case with this event it calls into question the validity and significance as the best team itw (lev) arent attending because they lost online qualifiers 2 months ago rather than right before the event, after just winning
so no tournament before VCT 2023 matters since it was online qualifiers? be so fr man
people already rate 2021/2022 events as lower, some regionals actually had lan qualifiers, but the main point is that that was practically 4 years ago, having to reach that far back to when fns was actually a competitive caller to support your argument very telling
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