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Maru gaming sexist comment

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#1
Pugaller

https://mobile.twitter.com/NethenoobVAL/status/1556495038082715649

i thought it was way worse than this what yall think

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avepalto
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i think that it is kinda sexist, but not a direct offence or violent comment. It comes as disrespectful for sure

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KoreanOverlord
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The disrespectful is just language gap I think, hes upset they didnt get good quality scrim not that they played women team

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avepalto
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agreed :)

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Okayyyyyy
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If you hadn’t said this was the sexist comments I wouldn’t have known, he’s literally clarifying that the team he’s playing against is a woman’s team and whoever this fool is is trying to make something out of nothing

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Sprouts
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i had to read it twice to even find out what they were calling sexist

#4
virtz
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Not sexist.

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huing82
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If I pro i dont want to play with female team even I have to practice before lcq

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NG1nS
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that is not sexist come on dude, yes it's a bit rude but sexist? hell nah

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Quagmire
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why would someone scrim with a comparatively weaker team before such an imp tournament.
yall exxagerating.
just wanna create dramas

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alice_
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u guys want him to say something like "i want to rape women" to admit its sexist or what?
the comment IS sexist, i can agree that it isnt something extremely worrying but keeps normalizing that by being a women youre immediately inferior to men by default

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gamingtaming
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in what way? who says they dont want to play just due to them being female - theres no proof they could have just scrimmed. They are also prepping for lcq and time isnt something they can just throw out by playing a worser team, in this case the OG female roster. Would Kru want to play team liquid female right before lcq?

#54
Zaynio
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This seems to be a misunderstanding due to language barriers. It doesn't seem sexist and considering he is Korean, I think I can understand his intention.

#56
alexxx
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i like how only one saying its sexist is someone named alice

#58
SigmaMale
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GC teams are much worse

#12
idkbro
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not sexist, its important information that they tell if they are female team, scrimming female teams for top teams like maru gaming is a loss of time which they are being paid for by their org

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KoreanOverlord
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Couldnt have been said any better

Its easier to say for vlr keyboard warriors to say "he just couldve been nice and lie that there was no problem with the scrim!" when these guys are legitimately working their butt off to be better

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idkbro
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its just simply disrespectful, how your org is paying you to improve and use your time effectively, you wont see fpx scrimming g2 gozen or tier99 teams they wont learn nothing from and could beat them easily only because of the huge individual skill difference, you can see this in one of soulcas highlights where they are scrimming liquid female which are the best female team in south america and it was something like 12-0

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KoreanOverlord
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Quite literally what I was thinking as well

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alice_
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couldve asked them what their team is and said that they only scrim with certain skill level instead of denying cuz its a women team

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idkbro
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true but considering all female teams are amateur level compared to males then its just the way it is, they wont go check liquipedia if its a female team or not, also kinda weird that a female team is in top asia scrim group discord and the fact they dont use pracc.com

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SnooTangerines
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OG is a top 8 APAC female team and their male roster has shown to be one of the best in SA. It does not surprise me that they are in there.

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idkbro
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even if they are top1 female team, thats not enough reason to be in the same scrim group with vct teams (not the girls fault, just whoever is controlling the scrim group is a moron)

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SnooTangerines
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IDK what to tell you but there are PLENTY of teams in the scrim discord group. Moreover gatekeeping just because of separate leagues is really stupid. They play the same game at the end of the day.

The whole point why Game Changers is far behind is because they don't play against men and only play against weaker female teams like them. Now you want to deny them the possibility to even scrim male teams?

Yes I don't find anything really sexist about the chat and I think Maru has the rights to decide which teams to scrim before LCQ but in the general scenario female teams SHOULD be allowed infact encouraged to scrim male teams.

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idkbro
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I am not denying them the possibility to scrim male teams, they should scrim male teams around their level or a bit better, not fucking maru gaming, its just a loss of time, also I dont know how it is in asia but in europe we use pracc.com and there are a lot of different scrim groups and the one with the pro teams needs invitation to avoid dogshit teams getting in so they can asure that all the teams in the scrim group are quality practice, female top teams are in the open scrim group with other hundreds of random amateur male teams, they can scrim male teams but those on their level or similar, those male teams also would love to scrim vct teams but you will deny them that opportunity because they are not females? gamechangers is not far behind because females dont scrim male teams, they are far behind because there is 1 female in high elo for each 200 males, if females start to play videogames as much as men and take them seriously maybe then they will be good enough to scrim good male teams, there is a skillceiling, even if my team scrims fpx every day we wont be able to close the gap with them, same for female teams, even if they scrimmed vct teams they would get better to a certain extent but the gap wouldnt close simply because of difference in individual talent, I can scrim fpx 3 times a day but if suygetsu and shao come and click all my team heads faster than 99.99% players in the world then its pointless unless a fairy comes and gives me a wish so I can be as good as them

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idkbro
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if females really want to be equal then they shouldnt accept special treatment even if they are paid to play, they are simply dogshit, they want to be treated the same as if they werent females? then go on amateur teams around their level scrim group and grind your way up, go play open tournaments with male teams instead of farming money in gamechangers

#43
SnooTangerines
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Are you braindead? Scrimming is not ranked.

You don't grind your way up in scrims. You scrim teams because you want to test set plays and maybe try strategies.

Sometimes teams want to scrim against bad teams so that they can test if their executes work or not. If they always scrimmed against good teams comparable to themselves they would never have a strat book. They would hide strats in scrims as well. They would never try and experiment with anything.

Do you not know why DRX never scrims against other Korean teams? I think PRX does not as well.

At the same time the weaker team has a chance to play against better individuals and get better against their strats.

First I thought you where just a generalizing idiot but now it seems you don't even know how these teams work and just braindead in general.

#44
idkbro
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I am braindead? you seem to have no idea how shit works, competitive valorant is the same as ranked, you grind your way up, team from team and grinding scrims against teams on your level then if your team gets some results you will get better scrim partners or if you join a better team you will get better scrims, thats how it works

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idkbro
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"Sometimes teams want to scrim against bad teams so that they can test if their executes work or not." Why are you even talking if you are ignorant? Their executes might work against bad teams but they want to test them against at least decent teams, not female teams which have the level of amateurs, even if they didnt use utility other than smokes their executes would work, ofc top teams scrim worse teams from time to time but those are tier2-tier3 teams who can still play the game and shoot back, LIKE WHY ARE YOU EVEN TALKING IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT WORKS? YOU PROBABLY ARE GOLD PLAYER OR YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN SCRIMMED AGAINST ANY DECENT TEAM OR PLAYED ANY TOURNAMENTS

#41
SnooTangerines
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All of that text just looks like you are trying to sound politically correct.

What if OG is quite good? If they were scrimming Maru then they might have scrimmed dozens of other SEA/KR/JP teams before as well? They never complained? Also, the girl clearly mentions that they scrimmed Maru before.

If OG was really bad in the first scrim then Maru could have denied wanting to scrim the the second time upfront. Instead they said yes and the breaking deal was realizing they are a female team.

It's just cringe how you automatically assume that a team should not even be in the scrim pool just because they are female.

Also, Asia does not have hundreds of teams where you can have different leagues like pracc. Korea for example only has 3-4 good teams and the rest are just amateur teams. Even among those, Maru lies on the lower end of the spectrum. Why do you think that you can compare the situation in Korea and EU?

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idkbro
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"If OG was really bad in the first scrim then Maru could have denied wanting to scrim the the second time upfront. Instead they said yes and the breaking deal was realizing they are a female team."
BECAUSE THEY EXPECT THAT A TEAM THAT IS IN THEIR SCRIM GROUP IS GOOD? THEY PROBABLY JUST GOT INVITED BECAUSE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, SAME AS BRAZILIANS TOP TEAMS SCRIMMING FEMALE TEAMS

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simurgh
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Sexist or not, they should have worded it better.

#21
idkbro
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they probably barely speak english, I doubt he was aware the way he worded it was disrecpectful

#22
simurgh
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probably

#18
number1_ScreaM_fan
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its rude not sexist since womens teams are trash comparatively

#19
Astar
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its still a bad stereotype no matter sexist or not
not an attitude of how a pro supposed to be.
also its scrims and they took it way seriously.

#23
Dybala21
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That’s why I don’t see them win the lcq

#24
Tenkaii
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how's that sexist, he just trying to said women & men league is divided

#25
SilentCypher
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Are people just way too sensitive these days or is it actually sensitive?
The way the sentence was framed makes it look like the guy trying to clarify his side with some language barrier. I'm still trying to find what's sexist in that.

#26
idkbro
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females seem to think its ok to make a team who is prepping for lcq lose time

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KoreanOverlord
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Next time anaks should just lie and say everything was fine despite them getting fucked by this useless scrim

This is the world we live in

#34
idkbro
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true, I have played against decent european teams in scrims and I would say the team I was in we could beat any emea gc team yet I dont think any1 is my team would have said it would make sense for us to scrim vct teams even if we were better than gc teams, do they get to make a team lose their time and not face consequences because they are females? they even try to cancel them when its maru gaming the ones who lost time and were fucked by the situation, they just got a free scrim against a top team that male teams much better than them would pay to get

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Ryzen_
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How is this sexist. He’s saying mens and womens teams are separated. He doesn’t even say they’re shit, just kinda implies it.

#29
deathlyclaws
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Bruh moment literally

#30
sazanka
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Bruh

#33
Daniveus
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bruh what

#37
WinterZ20
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Wtf this shit isnt sexist at all. Rude? Yes. But sexist? Hell no.

#39
Asphyxia
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def sexist if you take it at face value, but probably language barrier. idk, I think a lot of people think that minorly sexist things aren't sexist, but nah it is sexist, but I think this was probably half a misunderstanding and half just a mistake.

#40
bambamskrrt
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LULW, made a drama out of nothing. woman ☕️

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Asphyxia
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Lemme reframe this in another scenario, "I didn't know you were an Indian team". I think if we go into the earlier days of valorant with LATAM or Japan. People would be freaking out over this, but idk why people think this ain't sexist. Most likely just miscommunication and a mistake though as I said earlier

#47
HaSanity
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Ok this is mild, I was expecting some otherworldly shit by how bodark made it out to be

#57
KoreanOverlord
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This boshit guy got downgraded to shit tier after this reporting

Wont trust a word he says

#49
hisamzphyr
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I mean, that looks normal.

#50
gamingtaming
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this aint sexist at all, he just said the men and women league are seperated. Also scrimming a lower tier team is kind of waste. Like is Optic scrimmed Shopify Rebellion GC + who isnt to say they scrimmed right after, there isnt anything that makes this sexist, maybe bad wording

#51
SigmaMale
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BRUH people were triggered about this?

#59
Ullyr
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I feel like the fact they scimmed before and he was okay then ask they're women team and said no it's kinda weird lol. Like he was fine with them scrimming before right ?

#61
JiangLi
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lmfao that's what i was saying earlier . It felt like he bases the skill of the other team based on gender. If you fell like the team is not worth to practice against just say no . What's the matter if its a women's team or no.

#62
KoreanOverlord
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U literally misunderstood her post

They scrimmed, she thought everything was fine (prob got 24-0d), then before next map start he ask her if they are women team

#63
JiangLi
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"Porb got 24-0" then why going to scrim with them again?

#64
KoreanOverlord
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u dont always book scrim for 1 map bruh

#65
Ullyr
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Then he should just say no instead of asking if women's team tbh

#66
KoreanOverlord
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How dare he ask a team their gender because something is off! Sexist!!

#68
JiangLi
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Zero IQ korean wannabe di*k rider . actual pea brain

#71
KoreanOverlord
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You are easily the dumbest person on this website

Enjoy living with half a brain

#73
JiangLi
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You need to RolePlay your korean model better . Its too obvious nowadays .

#74
KoreanOverlord
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I love how the worst thing you can say to me is that I'm not Korean and that I have 0 IQ 😂

You're the type of person that could eat shit and convince yourself that it's good.

#70
Ullyr
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lol just say no you're bad instead of saying are you women which implies things. Its just rude not sexist. Said no we busy or something and convo ends there.

#60
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8
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Sexist? Not enough information to make such a determination. Rude? Yeah.

Why is there not enough information to make the determination, that it's sexist?

Because Anaks never explicitly mentions, that the reason his team doesn't want to scrim with them is because they're women and women are inherently inferior. Rather he simply clarifies it's because they're a women's team in a women's league and they don't want to scrim teams from that league.

Why is denying a scrim with a women's team not sexist?

Because women's teams play in a league, that has a completely different skill level, orders of magnitude lower level. Due to this, the coach rightly so makes a determination, that they are not a good fit for a scrim partner based on that fact alone. With this interpretation, it has nothing to do with being women, just being from a lower skill league.

Now there is a possibility the above is not the case and that he simply doesn't for some reason want to scrim with women and doesn't want women to become more competitive(?). I find that unlikely, but nonetheless it's still a possibility.

Neither can be determined from the screenshot alone.

Now why is it rude?

The way it was delivered. He shouldn't have mentioned gender at all. Just like if there's an academy team and they want to scrim my team, I wouldn't tell that academy team "hah you're an academy team? no shot buddy, there's a reason why our leagues are separated".. It comes off as condescending.

And yes I recognize, that the example is not equivalent to what he said, it just seems like he delivered it poorly due to a poor grasp of the language.

#67
HaSanity
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Ayyy ur back

#69
orqn
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Not sexist but rude as fuck

#72
SiYK
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Yep thats right, can't find a reason behind why your team is not worth scrimming against, say that the other team is sexist..

#75
AmanteDeIdosas
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Not sexist

#76
crashhacker1
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I would say, the team about to scrim not revealing their gender is more disrespectful wasting time for their opponents.

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