Why do females have their own separate league/teams? Can you see tier 1/2 even 3 teams having male and female players in the future? I'm just curious as to why its separated. Like are there some rules teams have that I don't know about?
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Because most of them are female teams belonging to orgs that already have a tier 1 VCT male roster and Riot doesn't allow multi-team orgs to compete in VCT with their academy/female teams. So thus those female teams have to compete somewhere (Game Changers)
Co teams are definitely possible theres no rules against it. But they have a seperate league just for the sake of it I think. Although some female teams do get to compete in VCT qualifiers if their main male org counterpart isn't going through those same quals (why we saw C9W in the 128 team quals because C9B already qualified)
female teams at the moment perform poorly against male teams. This was because of less resources and opportunities. Orgs never really saw the need to invest in female teams. Introduction of separate leagues, give orgs a reason to invest in female teams and help them improve. Eventually, female teams should reach the level of male teams and hopefully we see more female teams in open circuits.
no_noise_979 [#7]they get their own league due to losing to free agent tier 4 male teams
You are a sad and unimportant individual
mindless [#5]Because women in gaming have been stigmatized by sexists so they haven't had as many opportunities to grow as players on t1 orgs. The goal is to eventually build a system in which gender isn't a factor in deciding players. It has nothing to do with skill
It has everything to do with skill
You can't deny human nature
I know a bunch of liberals here will always say "genders are equal" but they aren't, not in sense of rights, but in sense of biological differences
Olofboost [#9]It has everything to do with skill
You can't deny human natureI know a bunch of liberals here will always say "genders are equal" but they aren't, not in sense of rights, but in sense of biological differences
What does biology have to do with video games. Just shut the fuck up bro
mindless [#8]You are a sad and unimportant individual
i know you are trying to not come off as sexist, but you cant deny the fact that almost all of them lose to tier 3/4 male teams
mindless [#10]What does biology have to do with video games. Just shut the fuck up bro
its common knowledge that females dont have the so called "gaming gene" thats present in most males
mindless [#10]What does biology have to do with video games. Just shut the fuck up bro
Competitive video games is sports
Biology always has something to do with sports, sorry if that confuses you
Men are hunters by nature, they can and will always put in more hours into pursuing their dreams, hence on average being more successful that women
Olofboost [#9]It has everything to do with skill
You can't deny human natureI know a bunch of liberals here will always say "genders are equal" but they aren't, not in sense of rights, but in sense of biological differences
A vagina doesn't cause you to underperform in a video game. Get out of here lol
mindless [#8]You are a sad and unimportant individual
he kind of isn't wrong, unless its C9W or G2G. Most female teams typically don't even do well in qualifiers against T3/T4 FA teams. Every female team that competed in NA's 128 open quals, only 1 even made it to top 32 (out of like 5-6 female teams)
Olofboost [#9]It has everything to do with skill
You can't deny human natureI know a bunch of liberals here will always say "genders are equal" but they aren't, not in sense of rights, but in sense of biological differences
"All genders are equal" is a statement referring to the fact that all genders should be treated equally and be given the same opportunities. Literally, no one is denying the physical differences between the sexes. You are getting it twisted.
Olofboost [#14]Competitive video games is sports
Biology always has something to do with sports, sorry if that confuses youMen are hunters by nature, they can and will always put in more hours into pursuing their dreams, hence on average being more successful that women
on average, you get 0 women.
Cheasle2 [#18]on average, you get 0 women.
Wrong
I see people here can't bring any normal arguments and go full mob mode
I might have a conservative upbringing that is so unusual to you westerners, but that doesn't make me any less right
all of these uneducated and sexist replies the are reason women are so under represented in gaming in general. (yes that also explains why theyre not at men level rn. smaller talent pool due to lack of opportunities and a hostile enviroment for them isnt very encouraging)
do better and educate yourself instead of saying stuff that you think its the reality when its all pure bias against women.
Olofboost [#9]It has everything to do with skill
You can't deny human natureI know a bunch of liberals here will always say "genders are equal" but they aren't, not in sense of rights, but in sense of biological differences
that's a weird way to say you get no bitches
alice_ [#20]all of these uneducated and sexist replies the are reason women are so under represented in gaming in general. (yes that also explains why theyre not at men level rn. smaller talent pool due to lack of opportunities and a hostile enviroment for them isnt very encouraging)
do better and educate yourself instead of saying stuff that you think its the reality when its all pure bias against women.
How is this a lie? https://www.vlr.gg/94333/cloud9-white-vs-girl-kissers-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-lr1
Olofboost [#14]Competitive video games is sports
Biology always has something to do with sports, sorry if that confuses youMen are hunters by nature, they can and will always put in more hours into pursuing their dreams, hence on average being more successful that women
Women initially weren't able to "pursue" their dreams because of the conservative stigma that they should stay at home and take care of the house and kids. Who do you think created that system of thought?
no_noise_979 [#22]How is this a lie? https://www.vlr.gg/94333/cloud9-white-vs-girl-kissers-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-lr1
did they lost? yes
is the other team better? yes
is women being worse than men currently the reason the separate league exist? no
MerkFreeks [#4]Because most of them are female teams belonging to orgs that already have a tier 1 VCT male roster and Riot doesn't allow multi-team orgs to compete in VCT with their academy/female teams. So thus those female teams have to compete somewhere (Game Changers)
Co teams are definitely possible theres no rules against it. But they have a seperate league just for the sake of it I think. Although some female teams do get to compete in VCT qualifiers if their main male org counterpart isn't going through those same quals (why we saw C9W in the 128 team quals because C9B already qualified)
The have Game changers to give opportunity and visibility.
Also, it doesnt matter if C9B is qualified, both team can go trough the open qualifiers, just Like GenG and GenG black.
alice_ [#20]all of these uneducated and sexist replies the are reason women are so under represented in gaming in general. (yes that also explains why theyre not at men level rn. smaller talent pool due to lack of opportunities and a hostile enviroment for them isnt very encouraging)
do better and educate yourself instead of saying stuff that you think its the reality when its all pure bias against women.
bad bait
actually have evidence to back up the claim and you hit em with the "do better" 💀x7
TheHardStuckImmortal [#23]Women initially weren't able to "pursue" their dreams because of the conservative stigma that they should stay at home and take care of the house and kids. Who do you think created that system of thought?
I never said I support that system of thought
But I do think that's how nature "designed" us to be, boys and girls, different ways of life
Olofboost [#14]Competitive video games is sports
Biology always has something to do with sports, sorry if that confuses youMen are hunters by nature, they can and will always put in more hours into pursuing their dreams, hence on average being more successful that women
Bro really said "Men are hunters by nature"
Olofboost [#19]Wrong
I see people here can't bring any normal arguments and go full mob mode
I might have a conservative upbringing that is so unusual to you westerners, but that doesn't make me any less right
i suggest you to read any peer reviewed paper about men and women differences in esports and come back to this thread
it doesnt matter if youre conservative or liberal. the truth doesnt depend on that.
TheHardStuckImmortal [#17]"All genders are equal" is a statement referring to the fact that all genders should be treated equally and be given the same opportunities. Literally, no one is denying the physical differences between the sexes. You are getting it twisted.
Everyone's denying, just take a look at people who replied to me
It's not just psychological difference, it's mental difference too
alice_ [#13]its common knowledge that females dont have the so called "gaming gene" thats present in most males
This is probably the stupidest thing i have ever heard, you know what that "Gaming gene" is? Is the fact that boys are allowed to play videogames from a young age and women are leaned to do different activities such as play with dolls, tea parties, princess, etc.
We are living in a time where that's changing and it won't take long until more women start playing videogames from such a young ages.
Gqviria [#25]The have Game changers to give opportunity and visibility.
Also, it doesnt matter if C9B is qualified, both team can go trough the open qualifiers, just Like GenG and GenG black.
Yeah, it’s just if they made main event they can’t compete under same org I believe
alice_ [#24]did they lost? yes
is the other team better? yes
is women being worse than men currently the reason the separate league exist? no
if they qualified for masters, then there wouldnt be any need for game changers
and the MAIN reason they are so much worse is due to way lower playerbase. there are other reasons also but that is the main reason
everyone keeps throwing around the "lack of opportunities" buzz word phrase without actually giving any examples beacuse its not true. we know its not true due to game changers teams actually getting payed more than the teams they lose to: examples below
https://www.vlr.gg/68168/team-reckaroo-vs-clg-red-nerd-street-gamers-winter-championship-last-chance-qualifier-decider
https://www.vlr.gg/83664/guild-x-vs-sunnybeach-average-jonas-nordic-nations-cup-playoffs-lbf
https://www.vlr.gg/103457/never-forgotten-vs-dignitas-knights-circuit-monthly-2-r3
https://www.vlr.gg/106585/cosmic-divide-vs-gen-g-black-knights-circuit-weekly-5-ro32
Giannero [#3]They aren't good enough, that's all
people downvoted because they are scared of the truth. Unluko
Edit: Only player remotely close in terms of skill is Mel, she could maybe be on a Tier 2 team.
alice_ [#24]did they lost? yes
is the other team better? yes
is women being worse than men currently the reason the separate league exist? no
So whats your proposed fix? get rid of the game changers league?
Then any female team signed to an org that already fields a VCT male roster gets fucked over just like academy teams. Theres no rules against co-gender rosters. Any org can still technically pick up a female pro to their roster and I doubt anyone would care, it just hasn't happened yet.
hellohello139 [#21]that's a weird way to say you get no bitches
Looks like you must be some crazy liberal to get girls!
You can't have traditional ideas, because that means you don't get girls!
Westerners are funny, I can't
Gqviria [#25]The have Game changers to give opportunity and visibility.
Also, it doesnt matter if C9B is qualified, both team can go trough the open qualifiers, just Like GenG and GenG black.
I just know academy teams can't play in qualifiers if the orgs main team is already playing in the same qualifiers.
Olofboost [#37]Looks like you must be some crazy liberal to get girls!
You can't have traditional ideas, because that means you don't get girls!Westerners are funny, I can't
ah yes India, the greatest western country
MerkFreeks [#36]So whats your proposed fix? get rid of the game changers league?
Then any female team signed to an org that already fields a VCT male roster gets fucked over just like academy teams. Theres no rules against co-gender rosters. Any org can still technically pick up a female pro to their roster and I doubt anyone would care, it just hasn't happened yet.
what
Olofboost [#37]Looks like you must be some crazy liberal to get girls!
You can't have traditional ideas, because that means you don't get girls!Westerners are funny, I can't
whats funny is last I checked the "crazy liberals" here don't get girls
Regardless we're all on an esports forum nobody here gets bitches.
Just check this video, analysis on why females are unable to compete in tier 1 esports at the higher echelons https://youtu.be/pkcRy0F3xyE ,I think argument that there is no difference between gender playing competitive videos games is a load of bullshit 🐂💩.
mindless [#5]Because women in gaming have been stigmatized by sexists so they haven't had as many opportunities to grow as players on t1 orgs. The goal is to eventually build a system in which gender isn't a factor in deciding players. It has nothing to do with skill
Barbados is such a sick flag
alice_ [#41]what
"is women being worse than men currently the reason the seperate leagues exist? no"
Sounds like you want them to get rid of the GC league and women compete in VCT and tier 2 tourneys that they already are still able to do.
no_noise_979 [#34]if they qualified for masters, then there wouldnt be any need for game changers
and the MAIN reason they are so much worse is due to way lower playerbase. there are other reasons also but that is the main reason
everyone keeps throwing around the "lack of opportunities" buzz word phrase without actually giving any examples beacuse its not true. we know its not true due to game changers teams actually getting payed more than the teams they lose to: examples below
https://www.vlr.gg/68168/team-reckaroo-vs-clg-red-nerd-street-gamers-winter-championship-last-chance-qualifier-decider
https://www.vlr.gg/83664/guild-x-vs-sunnybeach-average-jonas-nordic-nations-cup-playoffs-lbf
https://www.vlr.gg/103457/never-forgotten-vs-dignitas-knights-circuit-monthly-2-r3
https://www.vlr.gg/106585/cosmic-divide-vs-gen-g-black-knights-circuit-weekly-5-ro32
Women are often marginalised in terms of their access to communities through which they might develop their skills (Taylor, 2008). In every sport, being able to compete with people slightly above your skill level is essential to improvement. If women players cannot access meaningful challenges that allow them to develop their skills, they will not be able to compete at the same level as male competitors who can develop their professional skills as a result of their access to more robust networks and the easier occupation of gamer identity (Taylor, 2012). The objectification of women and use of sexist language, including sexually harassing trash talk, have become part of masculinity that simultaneously inhabits traditional forms of male privilege while shedding the outsider status and marginalisation to which geek identity has long been subjected (Taylor, 2012). As many of the competitive settings for eSports players are based on online environments shielded by anonymity, gender-based discrimination and hostility are likely to ensue (Ruvalcaba et al., 2018).
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16138171.2021.1930941
Giannero [#28]Bro really said "Men are hunters by nature"
Do you know that it used to be exactly like this, up until not too long ago?
Because it literally couldn't be otherwise
MerkFreeks [#45]"is women being worse than men currently the reason the seperate leagues exist? no"
Sounds like you want them to get rid of the GC league and women compete in VCT and tier 2 tourneys that they already are still able to do.
what i mean is that game changers isnt there because women are worse. its there as an opportunity for growth and building a community that encourages more players into the scene.
Gqviria [#32]This is probably the stupidest thing i have ever heard, you know what that "Gaming gene" is? Is the fact that boys are allowed to play videogames from a young age and women are leaned to do different activities such as play with dolls, tea parties, princess, etc.
We are living in a time where that's changing and it won't take long until more women start playing videogames from such a young ages.
you might have the asperger's gene!
alice_ [#48]what i mean is that game changers isnt there because women are worse. its there as an opportunity for growth and building a community that encourages more players into the scene.
thats pretty much true
see my post at #4 where I literally said the same thing, but still doesn't change the fact that female teams in terms of skill level have yet to even get beyond a top 32 in any region.
alice_ [#29]i suggest you to read any peer reviewed paper about men and women differences in esports and come back to this thread
it doesnt matter if youre conservative or liberal. the truth doesnt depend on that.
Yes, there's a ton of secondary reasons why girls advance less in esports than boys, I'm aware of that and I agree with that
However, the main reasons are directly related to the way men/women minds work, and physical stuff as well
jackb2016 [#33]Yeah, it’s just if they made main event they can’t compete under same org I believe
female teams can but not academy teams
Gqviria [#32]This is probably the stupidest thing i have ever heard, you know what that "Gaming gene" is? Is the fact that boys are allowed to play videogames from a young age and women are leaned to do different activities such as play with dolls, tea parties, princess, etc.
We are living in a time where that's changing and it won't take long until more women start playing videogames from such a young ages.
Even if playerbases were equal, even if girls loved to do "our" stuff from the very young age, even if there was no sexism or discrimination in place - not much would change in esports scene, men would still fill 99-100% of slots in tier1, tier2, tier3 teams
How deluded you guys must be to think that's the only cause of such big skill gap
alice_ [#46]Women are often marginalised in terms of their access to communities through which they might develop their skills (Taylor, 2008). In every sport, being able to compete with people slightly above your skill level is essential to improvement. If women players cannot access meaningful challenges that allow them to develop their skills, they will not be able to compete at the same level as male competitors who can develop their professional skills as a result of their access to more robust networks and the easier occupation of gamer identity (Taylor, 2012). The objectification of women and use of sexist language, including sexually harassing trash talk, have become part of masculinity that simultaneously inhabits traditional forms of male privilege while shedding the outsider status and marginalisation to which geek identity has long been subjected (Taylor, 2012). As many of the competitive settings for eSports players are based on online environments shielded by anonymity, gender-based discrimination and hostility are likely to ensue (Ruvalcaba et al., 2018).
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16138171.2021.1930941
so the first point is basically "women dont get as high quality practice" which isnt true
second point is "they receive toxicity" which is true but that isnt the same as "lack of opportunities". everyone receives toxicity though but they dont get their own league. i think game changers isnt for tackling toxicity and instead there needs to be harsher punishments for player who are flaming in ranked.
alice_ [#13]its common knowledge that females dont have the so called "gaming gene" thats present in most males
It's not called "gaming gene"
Men have that extra competitive drive, anger, will to improve, ability to invest days and weeks, which most women (not all) don't tend to experience to that huge degree
alice_ [#29]i suggest you to read any peer reviewed paper about men and women differences in esports and come back to this thread
it doesnt matter if youre conservative or liberal. the truth doesnt depend on that.
Look I dont want to ignore secondary reasons as I do believe they do present a significant reason as to the disparity between men and women in esports. Also I dont agree with how this guy has presented himself and all his arguments as well as the stupid shit he said about men putting more hours into their dream is bullshit but he has a small point on the biology thing. I have done reaserch into this for school before and I dont have all my sources but one I can remeber is this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ which shows the difference between male and female reaction times.
Xikong [#43]Just check this video, analysis on why females are unable to compete in tier 1 esports at the higher echelons https://youtu.be/pkcRy0F3xyE ,I think argument that there is no difference between gender playing competitive videos games is a load of bullshit 🐂💩.
i already know people wont even watch this because its thorin lol
https://youtu.be/rJ77cDiFhMk 30.minute video on this topic by someone who worked with women's teams in csgo
But it's largely to create an ecosystem where they can improve cause let's face it ppl who aren't men in gaming aren't treated particularly well
LogicValo [#57]Look I dont want to ignore secondary reasons as I do believe they do present a significant reason as to the disparity between men and women in esports. Also I dont agree with how this guy has presented himself and all his arguments as well as the stupid shit he said about men putting more hours into their dream is bullshit but he has a small point on the biology thing. I have done reaserch into this for school before and I dont have all my sources but one I can remeber is this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ which shows the difference between male and female reaction times.
Reaction time is not the only difference
Mindset is the real difference maker
mauge67 [#58]i already know people wont even watch this because its thorin lol
I am a professional thorin troller however it is really closed minded to say you wont listen to someones argument especially if you want to prove your point. Also, thinking about why men and women are different in esports is a question to think about and also still very little is known about it so there can be biological differences and many studies support it however I believe that the biological stuff such as reaction can become negated but no female teams have figured it out yet but if you watched the last cs female event you can see the gap is closing but may never be fully closed
Olofboost [#60]Reaction time is not the only difference
Mindset is the real difference maker
And that is where I strongly disagree with you. I agree there are some biological differences between men and women that can lead to men having advantages over women like the evidence I provided. However I would very much like to say that I believe that good teamwork, communication, calling, strategy and constantly training your aim, reaction time and other things like diet can reduce but not fully close this gap (as we would assume the male teams would also do this maintaining the marginal gap caused by biological differences). However the idea that mindset is very different is stupid. If a women wants something she will also work fucking hard to achieve it. Your making an archaic, unlogical argument that because men used to hunt food they work harder. Please tell me how that works logically. Women can work just as hard as men and the only really difference if we assume two equally hard working male and female gamers would be the small biological differences of reaction time and speed (muscle volume can increase arm movement speed)
LogicValo [#62]And that is where I strongly disagree with you. I agree there are some biological differences between men and women that can lead to men having advantages over women like the evidence I provided. However I would very much like to say that I believe that good teamwork, communication, calling, strategy and constantly training your aim, reaction time and other things like diet can reduce but not fully close this gap (as we would assume the male teams would also do this maintaining the marginal gap caused by biological differences). However the idea that mindset is very different is stupid. If a women wants something she will also work fucking hard to achieve it. Your making an archaic, unlogical argument that because men used to hunt food they work harder. Please tell me how that works logically. Women can work just as hard as men and the only really difference if we assume two equally hard working male and female gamers would be the small biological differences of reaction time and speed (muscle volume can increase arm movement speed)
LogicValo [#62]And that is where I strongly disagree with you. I agree there are some biological differences between men and women that can lead to men having advantages over women like the evidence I provided. However I would very much like to say that I believe that good teamwork, communication, calling, strategy and constantly training your aim, reaction time and other things like diet can reduce but not fully close this gap (as we would assume the male teams would also do this maintaining the marginal gap caused by biological differences). However the idea that mindset is very different is stupid. If a women wants something she will also work fucking hard to achieve it. Your making an archaic, unlogical argument that because men used to hunt food they work harder. Please tell me how that works logically. Women can work just as hard as men and the only really difference if we assume two equally hard working male and female gamers would be the small biological differences of reaction time and speed (muscle volume can increase arm movement speed)
More men per capita fall under "hard-working mindset" criteria than women per capita
Please don't tell me you disagree on this one, I mean it's a known fact
Olofboost [#9]It has everything to do with skill
You can't deny human natureI know a bunch of liberals here will always say "genders are equal" but they aren't, not in sense of rights, but in sense of biological differences
no politics
alice_ [#46]Women are often marginalised in terms of their access to communities through which they might develop their skills (Taylor, 2008). In every sport, being able to compete with people slightly above your skill level is essential to improvement. If women players cannot access meaningful challenges that allow them to develop their skills, they will not be able to compete at the same level as male competitors who can develop their professional skills as a result of their access to more robust networks and the easier occupation of gamer identity (Taylor, 2012). The objectification of women and use of sexist language, including sexually harassing trash talk, have become part of masculinity that simultaneously inhabits traditional forms of male privilege while shedding the outsider status and marginalisation to which geek identity has long been subjected (Taylor, 2012). As many of the competitive settings for eSports players are based on online environments shielded by anonymity, gender-based discrimination and hostility are likely to ensue (Ruvalcaba et al., 2018).
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/16138171.2021.1930941
ok but look at thorins video about this he has a reasonable take about it,if you disagree say why instead of shouting everyone's just sexist
Olofboost [#64]More men per capita fall under "hard-working mindset" criteria than women per capita
Please don't tell me you disagree on this one, I mean it's a known fact
Key word 'more' we are talking about the top tier of talent so the average irrelevant. The top tier of men and women are rather equal when it comes to work ethic and having a 'hard-working mindset' so your point is mute
LogicValo [#69]Key word 'more' we are talking about the top tier of talent so the average irrelevant. The top tier of men and women are rather equal when it comes to work ethic and having a 'hard-working mindset' so your point is mute
Top tier of women will be less proficient as a whole, given that girls are on average less hard-working than boys
The more hard workers you have, the stronger your "top tier of talent" will be
Psion [#65]no politics
Where's politics
Just educating some people who believe everyone and everything is even
Olofboost [#72]Top tier of women will be less proficient as a whole, given that girls are on average less hard-working than boys
The more hard workers you have, the stronger your "top tier of talent" will be
OK. Think about this logically. Your argument only applys to fully biological things. There are limits to humans. We have 24 hours in a day, we need sleep. There will be men and women who work say 16 hours a day on esports and they will be equal until it comes to the small margins of biological difference as I previously said. To give you a real life examples I will give you the example of lawyers. The top lawyers are a mixture of male and female. Some of the best lawyers are male some are female because they both work equally hard. You again made the mistake of saying 'average' we are not talking about the 'average' we are talking about the 99.9th percentile in which in terms of ethic there will be no difference because we are all limited by standard human limits
LogicValo [#74]OK. Think about this logically. Your argument only applys to fully biological things. There are limits to humans. We have 24 hours in a day, we need sleep. There will be men and women who work say 16 hours a day on esports and they will be equal until it comes to the small margins of biological difference as I previously said. To give you a real life examples I will give you the example of lawyers. The top lawyers are a mixture of male and female. Some of the best lawyers are male some are female because they both work equally hard. You again made the mistake of saying 'average' we are not talking about the 'average' we are talking about the 99.9th percentile in which in terms of ethic there will be no difference because we are all limited by standard human limits
Yet, there will be X times more men than women with that unreal work ethic, who came this far and didn't give up
X times more men means X times more men than women, who achieved their goals in the end, ignoring all biological differences, only taking into account proportions
Now these selected ones may be equal between each other because of human limits, but gender wise there's gonna be >y men per 1 woman, where "y" may vary from digits to hundreds
Olofboost [#76]Yet, there will be X times more men than women with that unreal work ethic, who came this far and didn't give up
X times more men means X times more men than women, who achieved their goals in the end, ignoring all biological differences, only taking into account proportions
Now these selected ones may be equal between each other because of human limits, but gender wise there's gonna be >y men per 1 woman, where "y" may vary from digits to hundreds
Your acting under the assumption that when we are at hte 99.9th percentile it has followed a linear trend when at this point we are essentially talking mostly about anomalies when it comes to talent and work ethic so this dosen't really work as we are essentially guessing about the proportion. Because of secondary factors 'y' may be rather large until these factors are negatied over time but once the secondary factor advantages men have , which neither of us have denied exist because they do, but at that time they 'y' number becomes predictable because of how high a percentile we are talking about.
LogicValo [#78]Your acting under the assumption that when we are at hte 99.9th percentile it has followed a linear trend when at this point we are essentially talking mostly about anomalies when it comes to talent and work ethic so this dosen't really work as we are essentially guessing about the proportion. Because of secondary factors 'y' may be rather large until these factors are negatied over time but once the secondary factor advantages men have , which neither of us have denied exist because they do, but at that time they 'y' number becomes predictable because of how high a percentile we are talking about.
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