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| Flag: | China |
| Registered: | July 14, 2022 |
| Last post: | August 9, 2025 at 8:04 PM |
| Posts: | 1295 |
Lysoar is usually their best player statistically (in CN), this is pretty normal tbh
WOL has never been great in CN, the one time they were able to make an international was when EDG was missing. Their playstyle is structured but gets countered by CN, while matching up better against international teams. Check WOL's history in CN
I think WOL might not even win a single game ngl
They updated their api on the CN client since April, so ratings can be calculated
I read that Muggle isn't suited to organising double duelist, not that I even know what that means. They seriously need a coach change either way, EDG looked like they haven't even practiced getting used to the new roles/meta. Like where are the set strats?? drills? So confused whats going on
Perhaps, did not expect Scales to be so insane. Thoughts on ninebody? I feel like he's been so washed all year
You really do have to watch all the teams to know, I don't have the time for that and I doubt most do.
But I will say:
It's more of a whole team issue, they had to rely on kk way too much to make space
People been wanting slowly since ages ago, has nothing to do with zjc
Atp does muggle even get them to practice set strats, like I swear EDG have barely any
No his aim's pretty bad, most people can have 'good' aim every now and then, the problem is consistency. And consistently he has more bad than good aim. Also did you watch bangkok 😭, he had the worst in the whole tournament. Frequently not hitting shots on players who were either stood still, not looking at him, or full flashed (by him). It was a pain to watch
You do realise KK was incredible way before S1mon even joined the team right? He doesn't need enemies to be stunned/blinded to get kills, literally every event before 2024 is proof of that. The current problems isn't related to a support initiator, it's the whole team not playing well. Typical vlr reaction after one game
I really hope EDG can find a good new coach, Kicking AfteR wasn't enough they need to hire a new coach, I just don't know who would even be available
Yeah ik, that's included in the "struggling" part, whatever the reason is - they were not doing well with S1mon, and he wasn't playing in his typical form. It would be even worse to try and stick with S1mon with all the internal conflict present, chemistry was suffering
Zjc has insane aim, support is usually quite good too. You'll know if you watched TYLOO, just give him some time
Bro you know EDG made more changes than S1mon right? They kicked head coach, changed IGL to nobody, and switched comps. Why do people think S1mon was the only change they made. Nobody's IGL was fucking insane in champs, he hard read all the teams. They're not struggling because they kicked S1mon, they kicked S1mon because they were struggling. You will understand if you watch some of their CN matches when they still had S1mon, they were already falling off
Yes but that is not due to solely s1mon, believe it or not there are like ten other factors which can cause that.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, have you not considered that EDG made those changes because they were already having issues. You obviously haven't watched VCT CN, S1mon stopped being proactive on initiator, without those precomms EDG alr looked out out of champs form. If they stuck with S1mon they'd be just as bad as they are now. And that's a whole team issue, not blaming S1mon
You might just be a prophet
20 assists on ascent lets go hfmi
Berlin you better not troll again
Wait this is huge for NOVA, monk is a big upgrade for init
They started to fall apart before losing s1mon, tons of internal conflict. You can read all about it. They just need any good init player and they'll be back, nobody IGL and different coach were the biggest changes for them
W Wolves
why not
that was not the biggest reason it's a common misconception but s1mon was definetely a big factor. Nobody IGL and coach change is what changed EDG
They just need any good initiator and they'll be back in form
Also I just noticed you said
but it's quite obvious the gap in talent between the top Chinese players and the rest of the players in the region is massive.
You are basing this off of what? How does this have any correlation to what you were saying just before this, and who do you even consider as the top chinese players and who is "the rest"? CN is a region with tons of out-of-nowhere, up-and-coming rookies, who many times over just the course of a few months have got to the "top". Trust me CN is not lacking talent for sure, I highly doubt you watch CN enough to say this, can you tell me who are the up-and-coming rookies rn in the region?
How does that change the fact that the team just sucks ... they don't have one player and the team implodes? That was the main point of my post
Now you're just trying to save face. Are you sure you're not trying to change your main point now? You seem to have forgotten that the post is literally titled "XLG is shit regardless of YOU being there or not" and you did not show any disagreement to that. Instead, you say:
A spade is a spade. A team that loses one player and implodes, isn't a good team
Clearly you're aligning with the OP, and I think for anyone reading your comment (even in isolation) they'd interpret it that way - that the team isn't good in general BECAUSE it only took losing one player to implode. Especially because of the way you phrase it, and when the rest - more than half of your original comment - is a counterargument to the people who are at XLG's defence, such that XLG is still to blame and the fact they picked the sub disregards any other idea that they weren't at fault.
Also your original analogy doesn't even work - your statement after "A spade is a spade" is supposed to be far less ambiguous and isn't even a valid comparison to the obvious, as we've distinguished that there are many circumstances where it may not be true - such as this one for XLG, the language barrier being the biggest issue, but also for any team it highly depends on who you lose and when exactly, etc.
And here's your supposed main point now
Without YOU, they suck
Clearly it's changed. This point is such an obvious that has so little substance to it that there's no point in saying it.
and you slipped right by it (the main point) without even adressing ... they still fucking suck right now
Well if it's that they suck right now then why do I even have to address that? Clearly XLG sucked, I watched them too, and I think anyone can tell even just from the scoreline and stats. The emphasis isn't here, it's elsewhere.
Have you considered that sometimes people are placed in situations such that they are almost out of options? You have no idea what you are talking about, the reason they picked Midi is exactly because they couldn't find someone better. They lost YOU due to unexpected circumstances so close to Toronto that they either had to sign someone already with a Canadian VISA, or find a F/A within a few days. For that reason they picked up Midi who was just released from Trace, they also don't have the money like EDG does to make huge buyouts. Like how are you so confident despite not even knowing the details. And you realise who specifically they lose is quite important right? YOU was like a second caller and responsible for setting Rarga up, Midi played everything YOU did and fit into the role where others did not. Sure losing a sentinel, duelist, or recon init won't implode the team but your flash ini and their chemistry with the duelist is not easily replacable with such limited time.
It can't be this hard for you to think a little. XLG lost YOU like 2 weeks before Toronto, they needed to find an emergency replacement within just a few days considering visas. While most other players were in contracts already - Midi was just released from Trace, he can play everything YOU did and fits the role so they don't have to make major comp changes especially as the team is very strat heavy
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Oh I read it wrong way round mb
XLGlue
He was insane in China too, just wait till he breaks the curse then it's over for all of us
SEN looked pretty bad against WOL
Genuinely think BLG can 2-1 this
It's combination of
the only reason they benched S1mon was because there were alr issues with him
During kickoff they still achieved a good place but there were many signs that hinted towards some deeper issues, one of them being chemistry. A big difference in bangkok that I noticed is s1mon was a lot less proactive with util, and also revealed recently (I'm assuming you've seen the whole EDG internal drama thing with S1mon) is that he had many issues in terms of mental and he would openly vent it during or in between matches, which will obviously negatively affect the other teammates. KK in contrast is their hypeman, in their comm videos he is literally only positive and cheering on his teammates. And these issues were revealed to have started before split 1
As a long time EDG watcher I can tell you those 2 matches were an extremely different EDG, honestly you can probably tell if you watch yourself. EDG barely throws in China, and when they do it's purely due to being careless or undisciplined - in those 2 matches it was not that, they were genuinely struggling (to teams they never have before), and in some ways outmatched - the team coordination was so off. Now we have been given explanations for why. I'd argue if they continued with S1mon in that state, they would not have made it to an international, especially with all the internal conflicts. Like there's a reason EDG made that change, it's extremely likely thing weren't working out in scrims as well.
"If there are no issues, then why would there be changes?" - CHICHOO
"After returning from the Masters, we all felt regretful. Yet the strategies from training and matches just wouldn't stick - constantly having to ask "Where should I position? How to execute?" during games. No initiative in post-match reviews, no tactical input, even utility usage had to be arranged by coaches and teammates. While the performance at champs was unquestionable, have you considered how much others sacrificed? This two-year journey we've built together, two years of accumulated synergy exploding into peak form - it was a collective effort. But not only did we have to coddle you through champs, it continued through Kickoff and Bangkok too. After every loss or poor stat line, you'd threaten "I don't want to play anymore, just sub me out" - those were your exact words." - Nobody
It's also worth mentioning the misconception that S1mon was the only reason they won champs, he was a big factor for sure - but the bigger change for EDG was their change to Nobody IGLing - I'll reply in more detail if you're interested in that (how AfteR wanted them to play like fnatic, how that didn't work out in actual international matches, how they went back to their old style after removing him and assigning Nobody as IGL, etc.). Also there's more quotes from the rest of the EDG players if you're interested
because of 2 main reasons
Suddenly making a roster change halfway throughout a split is bound to cause temporary issues whether that be communication or general chemistry - it was literally the exact same when they first brought in s1mon, they did worse than before (and there was a lot of criticism and pushback against him too) and then they gradually got better
Other teams from China are becoming seriously good? Yes maybe they are not boaster-tier calling wise but to deem XLG's playbook as rarga go kill is ridiculous when the team does not centre whatsoever on him carrying, they have actually good strategical playstyle and are backed by a good coach from EMEA
It really does look like your cherry picking evidence and ignoring the other half of it. Another thing is that Haodong was arguably just as good in terms of mechanics in 2022 and even was their neon player, it was only a period of about a split where he looked significantly worse than his usual performance
they kept him as AC because of his contract lmao haodong didn't actually do that much from a coaching perspective it was literally just a temporary compromise for removing him from the team do you actually know that much ab edg for a supposed number 1 fan?
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