because of 2 main reasons

1. Suddenly making a roster change halfway throughout a split is bound to cause temporary issues whether that be communication or general chemistry - it was literally the exact same when they first brought in s1mon, they did worse than before (and there was a lot of criticism and pushback against him too) and then they gradually got better

2. Other teams from China are becoming seriously good? Yes maybe they are not boaster-tier calling wise but to deem XLG's playbook as rarga go kill is ridiculous when the team does not centre whatsoever on him carrying, they have actually good strategical playstyle and are backed by a good coach from EMEA

It really does look like your cherry picking evidence and ignoring the other half of it. Another thing is that Haodong was arguably just as good in terms of mechanics in 2022 and even was their neon player, it was only a period of about a split where he looked significantly worse than his usual performance

they kept him as AC because of his contract lmao haodong didn't actually do that much from a coaching perspective it was literally just a temporary compromise for removing him from the team do you actually know that much ab edg for a supposed number 1 fan?

even when s1mon was still in the team they were not doing great during the split, it makes a lot of sense for a team to do worse when making a sudden switch mid way through. Correlation isn't equal to causation

BLG is better than people think I'll say that

what team.. can tyloo lock in already

EDG SLOWLY
PLEASE

BLG will surprise the world 2-0

I think he's better fragging wise, he has more stable consistent aim and rarely whiffs. As for util not as good as S1mon yet but he's learning initiator since he used to be a duelist player so it should get even better

I would love to see EDG coco though

I'm convinced most people here don't actually watch the matches cause jieni did quite well

I never understood this though I have never thought watching g2 was boring, there are plenty of teams who used to play like they do except they just weren't as good

that's just cause Tejo's broken

not even games, maps

and people say sen fans aren't the worst

this is actual nolife behaviour

wait people don't know about trent's sova? he was literally one of the best at one point

And yes there were probably some issues with the rest of the team/management too, maybe miscommunication etc but I've still not seen any evidence or incentive to believe that that was even half of the issue, but if you have any then I'm happy to see - anyone else who has worked with edg or knows them has never had any problems before. It's as CHICHOO says "If there were truly no issues, why would there be changes?"

To be clear, S1mon is not a bad person - this is common, and I am not hating. It's very understandable why he reacted this way, but that doesnt make it ok. My focus is defending EDG's decision, it's not to send any hate towards S1mon - I wish him all the best

With that said though, there's also plenty of people at his age who would not react this way, professionalism is made very clear from the start of signing any contract with a team. Age is not an excuse, and no I would not do the same and I'm his age - his attitude and way of dealing with it is undoubtedly immature, unfortunately there are many unfair things that happen in life - but it's about focusing on what you can actually control - if he was "wrongly" benched then so be it, it's EDG's loss - he can either use his reputation (of which he has now ruined) to find another great team, or if it was more serious he can take the time to write a proper statement/complaint regarding his experience with EDG. He did neither, instead going on stream, droppings hints here and there and just letting his fans speculate and develop extremely harmful views on the rest of the players. It's only when one of his fans doxxed Smoggy that it reached a breaking point, such that EDG had to make their own response to stop unwarranted hate. They all remained quiet until then, it's not like they wanted to shit talk S1mon, and in their responses that's still not the intention, they had to defend themselves.

No, I looked into it and genuinely want to know the truth - perhaps I'm still missing some info but I have heard both sides. If you can show that I'm wrong then I do genuinely want to hear.

What you said is true (the bangkok comms) but thats not even what nobody was referring to - the statements from the rest of the 4 EDG players addressed issues mainly during practice, not the actual games (apart from kk talking ab after the g2 loss). I think it's far more unlikely that all these 4 EDG players are just making up lies to make S1mon look bad, especially when they're directly quoting him. Stuff like

"After every loss or a bad stat line, you'd say "I don't wanna play anymore, just sub me out" And the other pros or staff that has worked with them before also never having problems with edg before.

What about how the others said they told S1mon consistent effort would keep him starting, but he would skip reviews and not communicate with the coaches - is that also a lie?

It's insane how good Rushia has become

Truee slowly is cracked

It was a mixture, there's lots of info on chinese social media. One of the main issues (a reoccuring problem through many games) was S1mon's mental, he was extremely negative and had a bad morale and attitude which affected the rest of the team when anything goes wrong. E.g. he would openly complain about not being able to shoot and there are many times where he would comm less despite being an initiator etc and this is only one out of multiple issues

No way you're supporting S1mon after what he did

WW BLG finally did it

Are you fr

Well well well

you are completely misinformed, jieni7 is flexing. He is learning completely new roles for the sake of the team. He is playing the agents SO kk is able to play iso

he'll get better

0/8

I could honestly tell just from watching him in vct, I still remember when he ran it down as skye on fracture to make a point to the rest of his team who were too scared to take fights. He probably has such a good effect on the mental of the team

Frr slowly is goated

check WindsRazor's reply above

maybe slowly is what EDG need

both of them need to go ngl

Holyy XLG ftw

I did even as an EDG fan, NOVA is really good

LFG Nova

no way already?

I agree

Nah if you watched him at bangkok, he was looking like the worst player at the tournament. E.g. full flashing a player and missing 10 shots at someone who cant shoot back, costing them the round is just unacceptable. Any other EDG player has never reached the low that S1mon did during Bangkok, wish him all the best though

??? thats crazy smoggy had one slight bad tournament

saw this coming ngl
SWERL is great but this is the best for NOVA

So happy for Stax and Buzz this game is history

omg sickk didnt expect that
W writer

correction
Chichoo shuts down comeback attempt to down T1

True people don't know how much he (and the rest of the team) grinds

that's the type of valorant we really want to see

Chichoo might just be the best player in the world no exxageration

It's actually incredible how Chichoo consistently finds the best way to play a clutch and knows his timings down to the second

I think it makes sense to like Chichoo more, he might just be the perfect player. How often do you see him making a wrong decision ever, and as long as you see him on the site you just know he's good for at least one regardless of what they throw at him. Dude watched so much nats it actually made him play like a god

Do you remember them at EA LCQ, their international debut. Ever since I watched that I knew they would be as good as they are today at some point

Ok jokes aside I'm pretty sure they're fine.

Pearl is arguably G2's best map (or maybe Abyss) and EDG were the first to push them that far, I saw a very noticeable difference in G2's setups against specifically EDG - G2 usually really likes assigning specific positions/roles that players must follow e.g. Trent play in secret and stay alive, use this and that util at this moment etc. etc. However against EDG they played far more loose because EDG don't give them any respect whatsoever and could push that person if they are alone and ruin G2's plans of playing 'perfect valorant' You'll notice that G2 actually needed some hero plays to win rounds as well - something they don't usually need. As for EDG their pearl isn't even one of the best maps so it's quite promising that they did that already, the crazy shit that each player can pull off is insane and though some argue you can't keep doing that consistently they kinda do (clutching). If they work a bit more on set strats it's looking great

As for TL I heard other people & analysts say their split is also their best map or at least one of their best coming into Bangkok. I haven't watched them enough to judge it myself because they just pull out the glue regardless at times (OT of split) but the first 2/3 of Split looked fine from them tbh I thought they weren't playing badly at all.

Regardless though, EDG's haven, fracture and lotus are all extremely good.