sayf was better u recency biased fuck

Sayf was basically the EMEA goat from 2021-2024 (played Duelist, Flex, and Sentinel). All of a sudden when he decided to be IGL and started putting lower numbers, he was "never good"

derke > aspas and alfa

DERKE:

1. Derke has qualified/attended 11/14 VCT International Events (tied for the most international appearances)
   • Reykjavik 2021, Champs Berlin 2021, Reykjavik 2022, Copenhagen 2022, Istanbul 2022, Sao Paulo 2023, Tokyo 2023, Los Angeles 2023, Shanghai 2024, Seoul 2024, Bangkok 2025
2. Derke has always placed top 8 teams in every tournament:
   2nd, 5th-8th, 4th, 5th-6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 4th
   • top 8 placements: 10/10
   • top 4 placements: 6/10
   • top 2 placements: 3/10 (3 Grand Finals)
   • top 1 placements: 2/10 (2 Trophies)
3. Best Stats:
   • 1.06 (#14), 1.28 (#1), 1.09 (#18), 1.22 (#4), 1.13 (#10 | min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.08 (#15), 1.04 (#29), 258.5 ACS (#1 | China so no ratings), 1.22 (#2), 1.18 (#4)
   • Derke: top 10 stats for 6 tournaments
   • Derke: top 20 stats in 9 tournaments
4. Top 20 Players of every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/ (very agreeable list)
   • ~#6 player of 2021
   • ~#6 player of 2022
   • ~#5 player of 2023
   • ~#8 player of 2024
   • ~#7-#12 player of 2025 already due to insane (like INSANEEEE) performance in the first third of 2025

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ASPAS:

1. Aspas has qualified/attended 9/14 VCT International Events
   • Reykjavik 2022, Copenhagen 2022, Istanbul 2022, Sao Paulo 2023, Tokyo 2023, Los Angeles 2023, Shanghai 2024, Seoul 2024, Toronto 2025
2. Aspas placements:
   • 2nd, 11th-12th, 1st, 2nd, 7th-8th, 3rd, 9th-10th, 3rd, 11th-12th
   • top 8 placements: 6/9
   • top 4 placements: 5/9
   • top 2 placements: 3/10 (3 Grand Finals)
   • top 1 placements: 1/10 (1 Trophy)
3. Aspas stats:
   • 1.18 (#4), 1.04 (#25), 0.99 (#39), 1.11 (#13 | min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.11 (#10), 1.15 (#8), 237.8 ACS (#6 | China so no ratings), 1.14 (#11), 0.53 (#59)
   • Aspas: top 10 stats for 4 tournaments
   • Aspas: top 20 stats for 6 tournaments
4. Top 20 Players of every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/ (very agreeable list)
   • #7 player of 2022
   • #4 player of 2023
   • #5 player of 2024
   • ~#16-#20 player of 2025 so far

both are in 21-30 with people like Shao, Suygetsu, Crashies, Marved, Stax, etc

cuz of your flair and single-elim
NAVI (looked better than FNATIC, FUT, and VIT in 2024 excluding stage 2 (when d00mbr0s left)) couldve been a top 5-8 overall team in 2024, but Heretics...

Before d00mbr0s left NAVI, he was top 6 and top 10 stats in EMEA 2024:

1. https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1925/champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff
2. https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1998/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1

he also has the greatest clutch of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dSXNrzeUcE

all im gonna say. NAVI was great. fuck the management

nah Suygetsu is still pretty good if he is put on the right team

god tier players that didnt play at Toronto (no order):

1. Derke
2. Leo
3. Sayf
4. Shao
5. Suygetsu
6. Trexx
7. Cloud
8. LESS

Stop putting him #1-#4 in all time player rankings. so overrated.

Yes, he is the initiator GOAT. Yes, he is the best player to have on a team. Yes, he is every coach's dream. However, Chron, Derke, Alfajer, Aspas, and maybe nAts clear him all time success/results. Yes, he is the #1 player you want to have on a team, but for all time player rankings, he needs to play more to go higher up in them.

Also all this Leo glaze from the average Valorant-watching NPC comes from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMMh22ikCI8 (be honest).

my top 20 all time:

1. Chronicle
2. Derke
3. Alfajer
4. Aspas
5. nAts
6. Leo
7. Yay
8. TenZ
9. Less
10. Meteor
11. MaKo
12. Boaster
13. Sacy
14. F0rsaken
15. cNed
16. Saadhak
17. t3xture
18. Zmjjkk
19. BuZz
20. Jawgemo

nah it was pretty good. Many clutches/insane moments from SEN. NA vs EU was just so hype (since NA was being shit on Counter-Strike). All 3 maps were OT/11-13 too so not the worst.

here is my rough ranking (copy pasted):

1. FNC vs LOUD (LOCK//IN 2023)
2. EDG vs TH (Champions 2024)
3. FPX vs PRX (Copenhagen 2022)
4. T1 vs G2 (Bangkok 2024)
5. GMB vs ENVY (Berlin 2021)
6. SEN vs FNC (Reykjavik 2021)
7. ACE vs GMB (Champs 2021)
8. LOUD vs OPTC (Champs 2022)
9. SEN vs GENG (Madrid 2024)
10. EG vs PRX (Champs 2023)
11. PRX vs FNC (Toronto 2025)
12. GENG vs TH (Shanghai 2024)
13. OPTC vs LOUD (Reykjavik 2022)
14. FNC vs EG (Tokyo 2023)

I as a FNATIC fan agree that FNC vs EG was the worst finals in terms of entertainment so far.
However, the few days after FNC vs EG was my best time on vlr.

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that shit was so cinema from Gambit.

• cringe nAts viper ult on Bind.
• Redgar Reyna and Chron Brim was the goofiest shit ever (on Gambit's perma-ban of Haven - also Envy's best map)
• 30 Chronicle 3k/4ks

lmfaooooo

yes tejo yes lose

Boaster has had 4.5 great years (2021-present)
FNS has had 3 great years (2021-2023)
Saadhak has had you could say 2.5-3.5 great years (mid 2021-early 2024 + maybe a lil bit for some KC stuff)
Ange1 has had 2.5-3.0 great years (early 2020-early 2021, 2022-mid 2024)

Alfajer > Leo all time

this is obvious. Leo hasnt even played for 1.5 years now
Leo is getting so overrated in all time rankings cuz of that one commend video its insane
Yes, he is the best player to have on any team. But all time, there are other players who rank higher due to more time in VCT and more success

he doesnt suck. All of u are affected by recency bias like crazy

Just cuz he performed worse in 2025 due to being IGL doesnt mean he isnt insane

???
Sayf has never choked other than on IGL
wdym

also imagine we could get Sayf x Leo duo again
when Boaster retires after winning champs:

• EMEA Superteam 2: Derke Sayf nAts Leo Alfajer

no more sayf
it is impossible bro

botality now has nubs and nobodies like Unfake and KovaQ

1. Chronicle
2. Derke
3. Alfajer
4. Aspas
5. nAts
6. Leo
7. Sacy
8. Less
9. Meteor
10. TenZ
11. Boaster
    ~15-16: f0rsaken

braindamage.

if he had to, playing smokes wont be hard for him when he has already played viper + astra, is IGLing, and has the best lurks

but they still made events
NAVI went from tier 1 -> tier EMEA bums

wdym?
When I say they had map advantages and had close games, that means that Asia vs West isnt dominant yet and it is close.

How is that a bad take?

better than nothing or bias from people like you lmfao

Also MVP on the losing team doesn't mean a thing to be honest, if you're not winning you ain't deserve shit

Im not saying it means shit. Im comparing their best performances (and Chronicle has more). It is a fact. Also apparently, according to liquipedia, Chronicle is the MVP of Berlin 2021. Idk if the MVPs pre-franchising are official or not (some of them seem way off what people actually thought at the time) https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VALORANT_Champions_Tour/Statistics (scroll down)

1. Ange1
2. nAts
3. Shao
4. MaKo
5. Derke
6. Boaster
7. FNS
8. Sayf
9. Chronicle
10. Crashies

To the few ppl that are saying f0rsaken > Chronicle:

Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)

Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14

Best performances:
Berlin 2021: MVP according to liquipedia. But most people believe he was the 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: MVP (but losing team), so 2nd MVP (after zeek)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on losing team (3rd MVP of the series overall)

International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8)
5 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.

Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: #2 player of the year (after GMB nAts)
2022: N/A
2023: #6 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke)
2024: #12 player of the year (after T3xture, Zekken, Meteor, RieNs, Aspas, Karon, W00t, Derke, TenZ, Chichoo, Zmjjkk)
2025: ~#5 player of the year so far (after Alfajer, F0rsaken, Meteor, Trent. Debatable: Derke, T3xture)

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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL

Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14

Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)

International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.

Player Ranking Every Year:
2021: N/A
2022: #13 player of the year (after Yay, MaKo, Sacy, pAncada, Shao, Derke, Aspas, Suygetsu, Marved, Less, Crashies, Alfajer)
2023: #18 player of the year (after Leo, Alfajer, Demon1, Aspas, Derke, Chronicle, Jawgemo, Less, d4v41, Sayf, Ethan, something, cNed, Zmjjkk, s0m, Shao, MaKo)
2024: N/A
2025: ~#1-#3 player of the year (convo: F0rsaken, Alfajer, Meteor)

0 debate, Chronicle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F0rsaken

thas like telling americas fans to believe EMEA is great since FNATIC keeps doing very good

EDG is the only team to do anything notable. Wolves just had a flukey run and will only be a team ppl care to notice if they can get a top 4 twice

if u think about it, Wolves kinda beat easy to beat teams though:

1. Heretics were washed
2. Bilibili gaming is lucky to be 9th-10th (got a free win on TL without nAts)
3. RRQ's first ever game in a new meta (also first seed curse)
4. Only somewhat valid win: GEN.G (who choked both a 9-2 lead and on the other map 8-4)

then, they got shit on by paper rex and fnatic

worst 2 moves in Valorant history:

1. NAVI firing d00mbr0s
2. FNATIC hiring Elmapuddy

putting Less > Alfajer today is straight up delusional
even late 2024, Alfajer was still better all time

incomparable

all time success: Alfajer > Leo for now yes

that's like saying Chronicle (Initiator) from 2021 is not a top 4-5 all time initiator with Leo, Sacy, Crashies, and Shao just because he switched to flex

suygetsu is still top 5 all time and Suygetsu has a tournament MVP as well btw

hijack:

all time top sentinels:

1. Alfajer/nAts
2. Alfajer/nAts
3. Less
4. Meteor
5. Suygetsu
6. Chichoo
7. Benjy

Alfajer is:
i dont wanna do a whole glaze post but Alfajer clears by a lot now

the debate is now between Alfajer and nAts with Alfajer prob slightly edging it out in aim but nAts edging it out in the sentinel role

Alfa ~ Nats > Less
all 3 are really good and all 3 are top 10 players of all time

ngl all 3 in one team would be insane:
Alfa - Flex Duelist
nAts - IGL + Smokes
Less - Sentinel + Viper

NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵 CAN ONLY BEAT CH0NA 🤡🤡🤡NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵CAN ONLY BEAT CH0NA 🤡🤡🤡NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵CAN ONLY BEAT CH0NA 🤡🤡🤡NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵NO TEJO NO WIN 😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵😭🫵

u can extend FPX/NAVI 2022-2024 (the only change was ardiis -> cNed -> ardiis again)

same for Fnatic (only the initiators changed, but the core was the same). You can do (FNC 2022-2025)

also nice bias of TL over sen even tho placement wise they shouldn't be XD

W noticed.

LOUD still > SEN 2024

90% of my takes are good bro
there is a just a tiny little bit of EMEA bias sprinkled on em

I wish they added team rankings like HLTV (Counter-Strike)

hijack better list (Regionals dont matter):

2025:

1. Paper Rex (N/A, 1st) - PAC (⬆️+2)
2. T1 (1st, N/A) - PAC (⬇️-1)
3. G2 (2nd, 4th) - AMER (⬇️-1)
4. Fnatic (N/A, 2nd) - EMEA
5. Team Liquid (5th-6th, 9th-10th) - EMEA
6. Sentinels (7th-8th, 5th-6th) - AMER
7. Wolves Esports (N/A, 3rd) - CN
8. EDward Gaming (3rd, N/A) - CN
9. Team Vitality (4th, N/A) - EMEA
10. Gen.G (N/A, 5th-6th) - PAC
11. Drx (5th-6th, N/A) - PAC
12. Rex Regum Qeon (N/A, 7th-8th)- PAC
13. Xi Lai Gaming (N/A, 7th-8th) - CN
14. Bilibili Gaming (N/A, 9th-10th) - CN
15. Team Heretics (N/A, 11th-12th) - EMEA
16. Trace Esports (7th-8th, N/A) - CN
17. Mibr (N/A, 11th-12th) - AMER

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FNATIC 3-0'd them (and they didnt even look like they were trying)
3 players in top 5 stats btw

and FNATIC were just so ahead of everyone else

bro this list sucks. mine is better: (This list is if there was a tournament today between the teams - not the actual dominance)

1. FNATIC 2023 Tokyo
2. Evil Geniuses 2023 Champs
3. LOUD 2022 Champs
4. Gen.G 2024 Shanghai
5. FPX 2022 Copenhagen
6. FNATIC 2023 LOCK//IN
7. PRX 2025 Toronto
8. Gambit 2021 Berlin
9. EDG 2024 Champs
10. Sentinels 2024 Madrid
11. Acend 2021 Champs
12. OpTic 2022 Reykjavík (Optic 2022 Champs would be at like 6 - and they didnt even win)
13. Sentinels 2021 Reykjavík
14. T1 2025 Bangkok

LOCK//IN

either we weigh EWC below all VCT
or
higher than all VCT

he is just baiting

dont worry

Top 4 first strike: EU (best region btw)
Top 4 Masters 1: EU (best region btw)

but this doesnt matter since even without it, FPX(EMEA)/NAVI > Gambit all time

the early dominance just adds a little bit (not much and doesnt matter much)

FPX(EMEA)/NAVI are still easily above Gambit/Gen.G/Edg/Acend all time for now