like he wasn't wrong apac looked way shittier than emea and na.

thats just not even remotely what that quote was about but ok... did you even watch the clip this dudes talking about?

istg the band-wagoning on pacific at the beginning of the year by platchat was funny to watch. Pacific didn't look worse the only way you can genuinely think that is if you didn't watch the pacific league last year. T1 better GENG better PRX worse DRX worse, Talon better, Global the same, DFM the same, Zeta better, TS better, RRQ better, BLD disappointed but all of the ascension teams did so idfk. Literally the only teams that looked worse were PRX and DRX and PRX only looked slightly worse.

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bro switched up again 💀

bro switched up

you cant say bait used to be believable and then take the bait...

the amount of laziness it takes to not just scroll down on the match page in hilarious

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first time you've ever had a rational thought must be a new national holiday

if scrims meant shit KC would still be in the tournament

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cry is free

welp guess this is why you dont talk to americans they're waaaaaay too deluded to think

They ran double duelist with jett and raze, good attempt, and I'm talking about from when the team got together mid 2022-end of 2023.

so you're using 2 year old comps and stats good to know youre a dumbass. also the fuck do you mean end of 2023 the comp i gave the end of 2023 the stopped running double duelist on split after the first group stage in 2023 do you even watch the game?

Regardless of how many times they played breeze, they're breeze was always good and competitive because of Aspas's major role which was locking down sites with Operator and just fragging out perfectly

irrelevant to my point they still have yet to lose breeze. they still beat geng (objectively top 3 team rn) on breeze

When i say they're ascent comp was actually alot better, I meant they closed out rounds and the map more convincingly but was easily antistratted because of the phoenix.

irrelevant to my point learn to read

This is a qck comp fault because i don't think the brother can play jett to a high level standard and it shows from their 3 previous series against sentinels where zekken was just out performing him on raze+jett

ok good to know ill trust the opinion of an anonymous iron 1 vlr player :)

Lastly go rewatch qck's icebox game vs Gen G and lmk if you still believe he can play jett.

i do :) cope and seethe

ya i just saw the flag and flair and thought you were the dude who made the post

Hooooooooooooooly are you delusionaly desperate to spin a narrative.

Split used to be a playground for Loud with Aspas(Jett) and saadhaak(Raze).

they played the comp 4 times last year and lost twice. their two wins were against KRU and 100t... their actual split comp was raze astra skye kj breach that's the comp they beat EG and FNC with get your facts straight. the comp changes on split have nothing to do with qck.

They're Breeze got 10x worse than it was before because of QCK's questionable OPing skills

they didnt play breeze for over a year before this season and have yet to lose the map they also beat GENG the on it............................................................

They were forced to change their Ascent comp which actually was alot better but now is easily anti stratted

thats just an oxymoron if its really a lot better then it wouldn't be easily antied. the new comp is bad yes.

Loud used to be very strong on Lotus, they actually beat the kings in Fnatic with Aspas but now are just perma banning instead of Split

again this is a comp thing you you wanna imply its qck's fault for rage bait.

Loud are only good on 2 certain maps, Icebox(GEN G dogged them and qck again was questionable) and sunset(their pheonix comp is actually decent and competitive).

they've yet to lose breeze and their bind is also decent. recency bias goes brrrrrrrr. also its wild to say qck is questionable on icebox after today's match.

assuming those are trial scrims they don't mean anything yet. when players join a team they often scrim on a bunch of roles. wait till the actual news comes out this shits embarrassing for all parties involved.

oh so you're just making wild speculations as to role swaps now good to know

I think its crazy that you're not willing to admit that a lot of the criticism that hate received was not conducive to his gameplay nor was it similar to other players.

and i think its crazy you lump every single bit of criticism he received into non-gameplay related criticism. 99% of the hate he got was for playing like shit. plain and simple. there are always weirdos but guess what those weirdos exist whether or not tenz performs so if thats your fucking issue the replying to this thread makes no sense since thats a complete non-sequitur. remember this is the comment you initially replied to:

I didn't see any other teams getting the shit that TenZ did just because they came 6th Or 7th

yeah because you're a sen fanboy who lives in a bubble...

however everytime 100T play people are or were blaming asuna and bang over him so I don't exactly see your point there.

cool so you didnt watch a single 100t match last year good to know.

I never said it wasn't his fault

this is a direct quote of what you said:

Playing poorly on a roster that received countless roster changes?

you are quite literally excusing his bad play and saying its not his fault stop lying.

. It's different to receive hate over gameplay (which he was objectively playing poorly and that old SEN roster was underperforming massively) than it is to receive hate for things outside of that.

brother you replied to this conversation saying that the criticism that resulted from poor play last year was not the result of him playing poorly. now youre saying that that criticism is valid stop flip floping.

You didn't even name a single player that received hate for something outside of their gameplay on a largescale besides ardiis

yeah because thats the context of this discussion.... are you illiterate? but if you must know demon1, crashies, sick, and guess what YAY too :) (you must not watch any fkin valorant goddamn) all received hate for things outside of their immediate game-play. but oh well keep living in your bubble blind to the world.

you got so heated over this and for what?

look in a mirror dude........ im not heated just annoyed at a yapper who's too far down tenz's dick to see reality.

which player are you talking about?

TenZ received hate for... Having an infected finger? His fiance having cancer? Playing poorly on a roster that received countless roster changes?

other teams perform poorly and get flamed: "yeah its ok they got flamed because they played poorly"

Tenz plays poorly and gets flamed: "its not his fault theyre mad about his wife and finger its not his fault its all his teamates dont anybody please blame my tenzy wenzy its not his fault nooooooo its not his fault"

the level of delusion required to think this is incredible.

The only other player specifically I could see receiving that amount of hate was ardiis within his tenure on NRG.

ardiis skrossi angel asuna cryo yay hell even hiko and FNS back in the early days. you must not watch valorant...........

You can say I live in a bubble all you want but at the end of the day you have to understand how it is fundamentally different to be hated for your gameplay than it is to be hated for the unfortunate things that happen in your life right?

you said earlier people were flaming tenz for playing bad but it wasnt his fault. so which is it? you cant have your cake and eat it too either he did play bad or he didnt. people flamed tenz for playing bad its that simple. the fact you take criticism of your favorite streamer personally is quite sad. grow up he doesnt know you and you dont need to defend his honor on VLR of all places.

not to mention LOUD as well the list really just goes on and on and on if you have eyes and ears

brother did not watch valorant last year... GE, 100T, NRG, DSG, hell even DRX in lockin... you live in a bubble the SEN hate was not unique you're just so far up on tenz's left nut you dont notice.

Are we also gonna forget the fact that TenZ's personal life went on a turmoil last year to say the least? His fiance got cancer, not the management's fault they had to switch up rosters

this is just.... completely irrelevant... im talking about people correctly saying that tenz played like shit last year and you're bringing up his personal life????

good for you im not fucking on sentinels so idc

I didn't see any other teams getting the shit that TenZ did just because they came 6th Or 7th

yeah because you're a sen fanboy who lives in a bubble...

sen didnt need time they needed a complete roster revamp 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 you act like sen "just needed time" like they didnt swap out two players completely including the IGL switch another's role and revamp the coaching staff... they didnt need time they needed to be a different team which they now are...

SEN and TenZ were literally bullied online last year

yeah he was shit. are we pretending like the current sen and the current role tenz is playing aren't completely different from last year? SEN on paper was good but they were shit. this sen is a different team... the only way SEN from last year is relevant is if you're trying to say current NRG are like sen from last year (which would mean they're shit)

Kayo knifing the site making it so any sentinel

anti kayo setup oh no your plan failed.

so everyone can run onto site, with two flashes it should be easy,

sova dart lineup oh no your plan failed. anti kayo setup oh no your plan failed. players playing anti flash oh no your plan failed. player pushed the smoke with judge oh no your plan failed. player plays close to smoke with judge oh no your plan failed. remote sentinel util oh no your plan failed.

as have viper wall cutting site so you can run onto it

if you're walking onto site with a viper wall you aren't hitting it fast enough to capitalize on kay knife oh no your plan is fundamentally flawed. if you're running oh no you got spammed your plan failed

Then you have gecko use his abilty to plant spike

oh no default molly lineup your plan failed. oh no default sova dart lineup your plan failed. oh no enemy team shoots wingman your plan failed.

Now you have 5 agents with mollys, plus viper orb, plus flashes, plus killjoy vulnterbility

alr im breaking character to say who do you think is genuinely so bad at the game that they aren't breaking a KJ alarm bot when theres no one on site. regadrless, oh no you got flanked your plan failed. oh no the enemy flood retook off of spike tap your plan failed. oh no the enemy pushed the smoke your plan failed. oh no the enemy didnt smoke main the plan failed. oh no the enemy has a single braincell your plan failed.

As long as you quickly plant and get safe, it would be pretty much impossible for anyone to win a round like this

sentences like this make me realize that you fundamentally misunderstand the meta-game of valorant. You literally just described the hardest thing to do in the game and said "as long as you do this it would be pretty much impossible for anyone to win a round." Newsflash but if any comp plants fast and gets into good post-plant positions its basically a won round. The game just isn't that simple getting a fast, safe plant is extremely rare especially in pro.

Also this could work on defense, because you could just do lineups for any common places where people hide, flash out then, gecko abilty defuse while everyone holds angles

it is immensely ironic that your ideal retake is completely countered by the same play-style you recommend on your attack half.

This might be a dumb comp but theoretically could work

You over cooked this. You focused too much on "ideal" executes and the util available to make big executes happen and convert post plants if the execute goes flawlessly. This comp gets countered in many many ways. Assuming that you're playing this in ranked and not recommending it as a pro comp (it would probably get demolished in pro even with major prep time) this comp gets countered by, a single op, enemies actually contesting early space, fast flanks, any map where the site is big enough to avoid kayo knife, kayo, the sentinel playing anti-kayo setups, enemy initiator lineups, fast rotates, flood retakes, half the cast's ults, and many more things. This comp as big issues with taking space aggressively. All they actually have to take space is kayo flashes and gekko flash. If the enemy simply throws a single piece of counter util then this comp will struggle to get on to site.There are a couple sites where this isn't a huge deal (chiefly icebox) but those maps tend to also be the easiest to avoid the kayo knife on. On top of that this comp has no ability to gain info other than kayo knife (and your entire game-plan revolves around saving it for the execute) meaning that enemies who contest and take early space essentially shut down this comp from the get-go since you'll need to invest multiple pieces of initiator util to re-clear the space. There's a reason that when DRX tried to play like this they got dumpstered by EG (and even they invested in a duelist to take space).

yeah but hes suck em off same shit

it only works in theory if you forget that you can shoot the wingman

youd think so. but sen fans are something else.

sentinels whos been scrimming since champs

(lets not even bring up the fact that sen only signed johnqt a month after champs and yet you're using those rumors as evidence)

ive heard sentinels scrim rumors since 2022. their results in scrims had no correlation to them actually winning shit. i heard "sentinels are destroying everyone in scrims" aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall last year .scrims are not reality. scrims are practice teams dont play scrims like they do actual games. this is the most basic shit to understand. but whatever people will hype up scrims because then think it means their favorite team will do well.

scrims dont matter

you're on the internet... unfortunately this is the norm.

i love casual homophobia

Ion op
Forsaken op

default. those are some ass choices

shorten the offseason

you cant shorten it enough to have 2 1 grp round robin splits especially as we expand to 14 teams. please think for half a second before whining.

no time and no scalability. you're asking to double the length of the split there simply isnt the time in the year for that. not to mention that format gets worse and worse as we get to 14 teams

emea has always been and still is a mickey mouse region

dick ridaaaa

thanks for proving his point

asspas

personally im partial to asspiss

no im definitely being toxic but yeah hes an idiot

that's fine your opinion is predicated on fundamentally wrong facts, lack of an understanding of the basic meanings of words, and a complete lack of understanding of how tournament brackets work there's no convincing someone who is talking out of their ass. Good to see you concede though keep on runnin

ofc i left the og discussion after u became toxic buddy. y would i have a discussion with someone that stopped using their brain and more of their emotions. it useless and a waste of time.

yeah i became toxic because you ignored my calm explanations multiple times... seems like this really rattled you tho. besides if you think #33 is not using my brain then i think you've shown just how dumb you really are... Regardless have fun knowing you're wrong I take this as you conceding the point :)