If we’re talking today, then obviously it would be Riens. But Leo’s peak was higher. Idk how that’s even arguable

Leo

They need more than 6, preferably all of the gamers

Considering Yay’s enormous fall in performance, this sounds pretty plausible

I want to believe

Yes, but you also said “ C9 got destroyed by both SEN/G2 not even close series at all.” MIBR would be the same way. C9 at least beat every mid or bad team they faced, while MIBR lost 3 very winnable series.

What evidence do we have that MIBR would do any better against SEN or G2? They got 2-0 by Lev and NRG, who are both worse than SEN and G2

I haven't thought about Marved in years

Tbf most of TH has not been great in grand finals, Boo has struggled a lot too

I hear ya, but even when the team was doing well at Toronto he struggled massively throughout the tournament, including several tragic halves. I do not see enough to be confident that he'll be a good player

Sure, but this was his 3rd split. Usually by now, rookies who will become great players have more awareness and consistency than Juicy does right now. He looks absolutely lost for entire halves sometimes

I think that could be a positive takeaway though, they got very close many times. They just need to clean some things up and they have a lot of time to do that before kickoff

my issue is with Juicy

A bit sloppy from cauanzin and virtyy, didnt double face properly

It pains me but I gotta mention EDG for this topic

I think they could at least be competitive for making it out of group stage

I don't see the argument for MIBR above C9

It's weird, he deserves more credit for the Lev run but was also a big reason why they lost to EDG on abyss

Yes but if we’re having an argument over best player in the world, having great domestic stats alone isn’t enough. International stats and team success have to matter

But how can you argue he was the best player over that stretch when he didn’t win anything and wasn’t considered the best player. Players like Meteor won 2 fmvps. Aspas was great domestically in 2024 but several other players had more success and better international stats.

I mean that’s objectively wrong. He was not the best player at champs 2024 or anytime after

He is overhated sometimes, but a lot of it is because he got a lot more credit and praise than he deserved. He has been an excellent player for his career, but people often downplay the accomplishments and skill of his teammates to prop him up. An easy example is LOUD. People often discount his teammates even though it included a great IGL, MVP pAncada, and the beast that is Less. Not to mention 2x champ Sacy!

He also does have a habit of playing for kills and his life instead of his outs

He has as long as he plays decently

TL fan insecurity oozing out of this post

Anyone who says that needs to get their head checked

If talon wins they qualify and DRX does not, if Talon loses then DRX qualifies and Talon does not

Isn’t this game basically meaningless for playoffs

This game isn’t very important, just changes it first round matchup is 100T or Lev

I definitely agree, but I also think that the players individually don’t seem to make adjustments to how they play, like their specific positioning on site or what timings they chose to take

Of course their biggest problem is choking away big leads, and we’ve seen them get nervous when it gets closer, but I think their core issue is this: a lack of adjustments.

It seems like GenG will do well in a half until their opponent finds something that works, then GenG won’t adjust to deal with it. For example, on Sunset vs RRQ, GenG were getting very little value out of their viper wall and getting massacred backsite, but they never really adjusted to it. They just kept running the same Viper wall anyways.

Pretty much everyone on the team doesn’t change their setup very much even when it’s clearly not working anymore. Maybe it’s a system thing, or maybe it’s an issue with the players. Coaches should def have some blame.

He is the guy Aspas gf tells him not to worry about

Bad time for a Dante stinker

Yeah but the odds of all those things happening together is still very low

PRX definitely wanna be the 1 seed in their champs group

I pray for you

Personal favorite is Boston’s first album Boston. Only has bangers

Crazy good pull

Tyloo to champs would be a crazy timeline

How did you first become a DRG fan?

My point was just that the better team is not gonna win every game, even if they’re much better. I mean PRX beat everyone else in their group but Zeta Division lol

Then why did they go 3rd the next masters and beat the winning team T1 in that tournament

Well yeah, no team is the best at every tournament. Also, even if a 9/10 team beat a 10/10 team to win a tournament it still isn’t a fluke

There might be a worm in your brain

I almost don’t want them to qualify. They are so frustrating to watch

Finished 2nd in Europe in stage 2, losing only to FNC. They then finished 4th at champs. Pretty damn good.

I’d argue against it because T1 are arguably the 2nd best team in Pacific, maybe 3rd depending on Talon’s performances and how you rate GenG and DRX. They also have previous masters mvp Meteor and two really good veterans.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I think G2 also had the map veto advantage and T1 still beat them

I got an interview for a job and got hotpot for dinner

The finished 3rd in the next masters. 0/10 ragebait

I’ve seen this take so many times with people calling different Masters or Champs winning teams flukes, or saying that a Masters is worth less than others.

If a team wins a Masters tourney then it isn’t a fluke. Basically every team we’ve ever seen win a Masters or Champs was very good at some point in the same year, or had a great core of players with previous success. Regardless, they had to beat multiple of the best teams in the world to win the trophy.

Calling winners flukes when every match is a series is dumb (compared to a sport like American football)

No it isn’t lol. Also if a team wins a Masters tourney then it isn’t a fluke. Basically every team we’ve ever seen win a Masters or Champs was very good at some point in the same year, or had a great core of players with previous success.