What are you smoking to think EDG, a team with literally zero LAN experience and only one international tournament under their belt, is better than TL? You're talking about a core roster who have been together for 18 months through two years of VCT versus a complete wildcard.

Sure, EDG look like they're on a heater and have high confidence, but you can't put them as favorites over TL before ever having seen what they're like on the big stage.

It should be a veto. It always has been this year, and I have no idea why they've decided to start playing it. They look completely lost.

tbf, Omen and Brim are viable on Icebox, but you don't generally see it outside the pro scene. The problem is that running controllers other than Viper on Icebox requires team coordination and practice, which doesn't exist in ranked. Viper is just easy and everyone knows what to do with her. Even if this new controller has some useful kit on the map, people will still default to what they know.

... yeah, a year ago. Will also you be making a thread about Sentinels no longer being North America's best team next week?

Factual but irrelevant considering the amount of time passed. TY for an irrelevant thread on VLR, we need more of those.

What a confusing map pick from TL. Traditionally one of their worst maps, and a map that M3C is pretty strong on. I'm guessing their prep has been good, but still... seems like a big error on their part, at least for now. I don't have much hope for their attack given TL is typically a poor attacking team.

Most improved? What is this, early 2021? He's been superb for ages.

There are supposed to be more third-party tournaments this year and in the future, too. For example, Red Bull Homeground is now an international event that teams such as Sentinels should attend.

What region are you playing, bro? They aren't disabled in EU for me.

Who cares if they are "massive fraggers." There's more to Valorant than fragging, and this thread is countering the absurd claim that British players are "bots."

The royal family are German, mate, what are you on about.

Anyways, aardis is British af. Don't even try and tell me that scouse lad is Latvian.

jfc, these threads lol. shut up and finish watching, you muppets.

So much, bro. Like, it's not comparable at all, I have no idea where people get this idea that a scrim is the same level as any tournament game, no matter how "mickey mouse." The only explanation I can think of is huge huffs of copium.

Ok, sure, T1 teams are not literally sweating their titts off, crying themselves to sleep at night if they don't win a Nights Monthly. But it is a lot different to a scrim.

In a scrim you are full practice mode, trying new strats, sometimes deliberately ecoing or forcing to practice certain conditions. You might even ask the other team to go unlimited money in a round to try something new. You have ghost mode on to ensure all your setups are 100% every round, etc.

The conditions are just not at all the same as a tournament game, which has a full ruleset you could be disqualified for not following. For a minor tournament you are praccing tournament conditions and playing according to a gameplan, so naturally if you begin to lose it's frustrating... therefore, there is an element of competitiveness. No T1 team wants to just enter a tournament a lose, and then go "oh well, just a scrim, am I right? tehehe".

No, nobody is doing that. If they say that they're coping.

I have never scrimmed to T1 level, I am not claiming to be a pro. However, I have played some very decent T2/T3 teams in EMEA, and competed in minor tournaments. When I was younger I played CS to a high level. I think have a good feeling for the scene and how players react to different conditions.

people still don't get that removing one trip was an excellent nerf. the whole point is that you want trip-heavy sentinels to make a comeback.

It's definitely not the same thing, lol.

stability, best business practices, longevity of org, etc. Nothing to do with money and wins. Any org can just a buy a good team, and they will. Riot wants a good business partner with a track record of stability and success in esports. The players can come later.

It's dimasick, I'm pretty sure.

Yo, you people are so miserable. can you just enjoy Masters and celebrate that we have a crowd? Why tf are you being such downers? Embarrassing behaviour, tbh.

It's not depressing at all, man. Copenhagen does not have a local Valorant scene. The location and the venue was deliberately chosen to keep numbers low; I'm very sure Riot is cautious about running its first Valorant LAN with a crowd since COVID began. This is just a trial for Champions. If Champions doesn't sell out, that would be depressing.

Of course they did, how do people not understand this is just a trial run for Champs?

Bro, preds have absolutely nothing to do with what you know about how to play Valorant, lol.

Ah, more reactive threads. Try to contain your emotions, kiddos, ok? Let's discuss this after the series concludes.

It's really nothing like Fortnite, though. Fortnite had an enormous casual player base, while Valorant's scene is far more enthusiast-driven.

I'm an EMEA player and I love EMEA Valorant. Wp to PRX, insane team, insane region!

bro, so tru, what a based W take from tarik. It's all about the curses. this guy is a genius, I'm so glad his stream exists.

It's almost as if Riot isn't too concerned about a crowd and this is a trial run for Champions!

... after you start your absurdly reactive threads about a mistake from a player or a team being washed or a region being bad right before the final result of a match which ends up completely destroying your original point?

I've always wondered. You people crawl out of the woodwork all proud of yourself as if you're Nostradamus or the all-knowing god of Valorant, then scurry away like rats never to be seen again. Kinda neat.

Sadly you're in the wrong forum, mate. 95% of the people arguing are, in fact, children. Either that or they have serious mental issues.

This forum will always be a toxic shithole for people who attach Valorant regions to their sense of self. I would say most people here watch esports specifically so that when their team wins they can post here and rub it in the face of other people who they know will be upset. That's the sad, sad reality of human beings in general :(.

omg a prediction being false? You.... you mean they don't have a magic lamp they can rub to know the FUTURE? NO WAY!

What a bunch of dumb plats, lmfao, am I right?

lulw, imagine you think that a multi-billion dollar company like Riot wouldn't have a deliberate strategy around its handling of the first live crowd at a Masters event. If only they hired clever kids like you, right?

You can research yourself here https://www.tixr.com/groups/vct

Grand final slowly selling out. Upper and lowers are still looking a bit sparse.

What's the inconsistency? The two teams playing right now were the best two teams at Masters, and their previous game was very close. Optic lose a map and suddenly the game is broken, lmao?

Who is "EU" ? You just painted like 400 million potential Valorant fans in Europe with the same brush.

Be the change you want to see, my friend. I'm from EU, I'm not talking trash.

You have not really explained yourself, though. All you have said was that you took umbrage with them acting "like guild had no chance," which as we've explained didn't happen. They said there was a 30/40% of an upset against the defending Masters Champions and most consistent team in North America -- which is very reasonable. Based on the data they had, Optic were the firm favorites. I think if you check the bookmaker's odds, you will see that they all favored Optic as well.

You're literally just talking out your ass because, I assume, you dislike PlatChat for whatever reason. That's all fine, and you're totally free to dislike them... But don't make up utter cap to try and explain it, lol.

Do you? I think one Plat chat member said 30%, and another said a 40% upset chance. That's pretty significant.

Also, why would anybody in their right mind have predicted Optic to lose? You could say it's a possibility, sure, which they did. But actually predicting it would be a completely out of left field shot in the dark based on literally every bit of data we have about both teams. Stop acting as if it was their fault and not just the wild result that it was.

But... how would they have predicted Guild, the third seeded EMEA team who haven't even looked very good domestically, to beat the defending champions? How would they have predicted Loud, the most dominant team in South America who haven't dropped a single map since Iceland, to lose versus Kru?

Analysts go by stats and percentages, which all indicated Optic and Loud would win. They aren't magicians, lmao. You people are so odd.

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nice to see another guy on the roster who will not give a single fuck about the team and just steal high amounts of paychecks and not even be sry in the end lmao

no fucking shot somebody downvoted this comment, haha. children, the lot of you.

LMAO! Where would you have put Loud, then, Mr. expert? Second at Iceland, dominated their region and didn't even drop a map. Kru, on the other hand, have looked dreadful.... soooo? Would you have put money on Kru?

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The crowd is just to add a bit of ambiance, guys. It's a very irrelevant part of this event.

In what world are we living in where teams are suddenly "overrated" if they drop a series or map? Do you guys watch conventional sports at all? It is perfectly normal for championship-winning teams to lose games, series, entire leagues or cups, and still be considered the overall best. What is this madness in esports where a team is berrated if they lose a couple of games? It's so unbelievably stupid. It's like the whole "goat" thing. People are obsessed with the all-time best-ever, never been defeated storyline. That isn't reality.

I mean, yeah, that's literally what they said it was. Ascendant is last season's Diamond. This was no great secret, lol. It just stretches more people across more ranks to reduce the number floating around D3/Immo 1, which was very crowded - especially at the end of Episode 4.

The man is playing Breach, lol. Have you ever played Breach in a scrim or tournament game? It's not a high ACS position. You are literally mr. robot hands supporting your teammates, and half your assists aren't even counted. Not sure what you guys are expecting.

I think the difference is though that in CSGO you could become a career cheater, and so many many people did (and still do). You cant do that in Val so there's way less incentive to cheat.

League is dead, lmao? Bro, at least try to say something credible.

Gambit was the master of one meta, people forget the game changes constantly.

Feels bad, for sure, but the writing was on the wall: when your coach constantly tries to reinvent the wheel but is forced to revert to comfort picks and a back-to-basics approach mid-way through basically every major tournament Liquid has ever played... something isn't working at the coaching level. I think Sliggy is a great guy and has some brilliant ideas, but I'm also kinda convinced a lot of what he was cooking just wasn't working, and it ultimately cost Liquid.

What do you base this on exactly? Here in EU all the GC teams compete in VRL and try to get into VCT. They also play other significant third-party tournaments such as the Average Jonas Cups, all in addition to female-only tournaments.

Also, all the female teams I know try to scrim the best teams they can -- male or female.