tbh, i'm not 100% rock solid on it either, but reasoning dictates that just because A ∩ B, does not necessarily mean A=B. it's a simplified equation and not entirely accurate but basically just because Comcast Spectacor is a major investor in NSG, and also happens to be partnered with SKT to partially control T1, shouldn't mean they are the same thing. And it definitely doesn't mean that NSG is a subsidiary of T1. I guess it's like saying Valorant is a subsidiary of League because they are both linked by Riot? Not too sure though.

nah, NSG is owned by Comcast or sth which is in a partnership with SKT to own T1, so it's not as direct as you think.

it would be insane for them to get one considering they have been solidly T2 since Stage 1 2022 and have barely done anything for the scene

help sewers

LOL

we kind of made the same type of comment at the same time LOL

i understand your comment, don't worry about the grammar, your grammar is fine.
I respectfully disagree with everything except this:

Lack of discipline is extremely big
again, i think it's their gameplay & how they are playing & just a matter of time, he can adapt imo

I would like this to happen and can see it happening. but currently, taking f0rsakeN right now and putting him in either team, i don't see it working.

Listen, I'm tired of arguing. It's clear that both of us think we're in the right. I don't know your qualifications, and you don't know mine, but I am confident in what I'm saying. I'm also kind of convinced you're not understanding my point. Maybe there's some small language barrier.

he said f0rsaken can't mesh with fnatic/m3c gameplay just because saw f0rsaken gameplay right now.

I think it's true - what has been shown onstage in competitions, f0rsakeN is not the kind of player like Derke or Alfajer, he plays differently. Maybe in the future, he could be that player. He is young, after all. But from what has been shown since VCT Berlin until now, this playstyle of f0rsakeN does not fit with Fnatic/M3C.

You can sum up your final point here and just leave it as is.

agree on that part, but Northeption is still a good team lol.

f0rsakeN has expressly said he would be open to joining NA/EMEA teams after Jinggg leaves for his service.

With love, "the north korean guy"

Yeah, Jinggg was a huge pickup.

Are you implying Northeption is bad or something lol?
Do you think ZETA is a bad team to have lost to Northeption or something lol?

yes. ITS RIGHT NOW. solid great player. they are all improve so much, especially mindfreak. But before, they are not.

WTF do you think I'm talking about? I'm talking about right now, buddy. I never said anything about them in the past. I said they CAN HOLD THEIR OWN. Why would I be talking about PRX in the past lol

Sure, there were some elements of anti-strat, but I wonder if you know anything about what goes into anti-stratting. It's not as simple as "PRX exec on A site like this" - it goes down to even stuff like analysing playstyle and playing differently.

ZETA COUNTER STRAT THEM BY PLAYING PRX ANTI-STRAT

The most uninformed thing I have ever seen. I guarantee you have never touched anything close to professional Valorant or have coached a team or even gotten a high rank.

NOT JUST ONE MAP OR ONE MATCH. im from apac bro. i watched all of their matches

You act like I've never watched PRX either lmao. I guarantee if ZETA plays PRX again, they would win even harder.

if you really think they on par with him

I NEVER SAID THIS. I NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT LOL? I JUST SAID HE IS NOT CARRYING THEM. I SAID THEY CAN HOLD THEIR OWN

And it's true.

bro, f0rsaken carying his teammates. u don't watch apac, don't you?
he's alyways become their best player until jinggg in their team.

This is like saying Yay is carrying his team LMAO

i also said zeta counter-strat them. why u never appreciate them? also, Zeta has 1 week preparation before the match
mindfreak literally playing so bad when they lost to zeta. he lost so many 1 v 1 duel that he easily win against G2 and the guard

dude, you are actually so fucking dumb it is INSANE. I say one thing, you instantly assume I'm shitting on the other. I say PRX lost to ZETA because of lack of discipline, you say I NEVER appreciate ZETA? Are you high or something?

Jinggg played atrociously vs DRX maps 2 and 3, but you're conveniently ignoring that and continuing the narrative that the rest of PRX aside from Jinggg and f0rsakeN are shit, which is just false.

Jingg played bad when they lost to DRX

your point being? Mindfreak and Benkai CLUTCHED up. Especially vs DRX on Haven.

I never said he couldn't adapt lol

I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it

I literally said this.

their teammates is just shit (vs zeta, drx, and smb).

False lmao, maybe vs SMB because Shiba<Jinggg, but just blatantly false. How is it that his teammates are shit vs ZETA and DRX when it's the same team that 2-0 G2 and Guard?

ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, DRX is partner PRX scrim. from the beginning, drx is always above prx.

And ZETA? lol

why are you saying f0rsaken is bad

Never said he was bad. In fact, I always rated him and knew his value before any of these bandwagoning PRX fans.

why do you expect him to carry his team 100% of their match?

Putting words in my mouth LMAO, I never said anything CLOSE to this. You're just making shit up at this point. For shame.
f0rsakeN is NOT carrying his team. You are delusional to think he carries his team. Everyone on PRX, from Jinggg to Benkai can hold their own and in fact, at Iceland, Mindfreak and Benkai were the ones clutching up for the team.

Did I ever say otherwise lmao typical vlr user who can't read

Interesting take, I don't disagree, but as someone who has actually been watching and supporting and rating f0rsakeN since last year, he's gotten to be a tad overrated after Iceland. Especially after that Yoru game. I've said this before, but I actually think Jinggg is the secret to PRX's success.

"but because it might in some way limits him" - this is possible, he's definitely someone who thrives in the calamity of the midround. I would hesitate to say that his free-flowing playstyle will last longer than the more structured approach most teams are taking though. I think personally f0rsakeN's gonna need to learn to play more disciplined and mindful if he wishes to truly grow into the player people are seeing in him.

fair nuff

Fair enough.

I remember that Benkai interview, but he never said they can play disciplined if Benkai asked them to. And in fact, to double-check, I literally went ahead and listened to that part of the interview again.

PRX prioritises comfortability and free-flowing play over strat-heavy disciplined approaches to the game. This is evident when they put Jinggg on Reyna at Iceland and their agent picks in APAC.

f0rsakeN's lack of discipline has been prevalent since last year. There have been no real changes to it yet.

Yes. Lack of discipline is extremely big. As you may have noticed, lack of discipline is what made PRX lose to ZETA and DRX. It is also the same reason they lost to VS and SMB in Berlin. I understand the concept and importance of discipline is lost on you, given that you are an obvious PRX fan.

The way Fnatic approaches the game is much like DRX. f0rsakeN and PRX, unless they play completely differently at Copenhagen and onwards, are nowhere close to that approach.

I understand he's smart - I never said he wasn't. His Yoru setups are smart. He knows how to use his utility - he's a smart player, you can't get to the top of ANY region without being smart. And I am aware of PRX's playstyle. But it is very obvious that he is someone who would not fit in with how Fnatic plays the game. And unless you haven't watched Berlin or Reykjavik, you will agree with me.

I don't think you understand what you're talking about, nor did you understand what I just wrote. His streams comprised less than half of a sentence in my overall point. Everything else is in his pro games, so unless you are being deliberately obtuse there is no reason you should be thinking I'm judging him off his ranked performance. And Fnatic has literally ZERO reason to adapt to f0rsakeN's gameplay. It is ridiculous to assume a team with Derke should change their entire playstyle for f0rsakeN. You are biased. And have no idea what you're talking about - "high mechanical player won't be a burden" - tell that to Liquid or Sentinels. High mechanical players but no teamwork or strats. You cannot be a good team just based on mechanics anymore.

I'm not saying he can't if he puts his mind to it, but if you've watched him play and his streams he's actually quite undisciplined. He was like that during Berlin and he was like that at Reykjavik. Playing on a strat heavy team requires a lot of discipline and thinking. He has never had any reason to play like that because PRX doesn't play like that and almost always has.

tbh...f0rsakeN's playstyle wouldn't really mesh well on either team imo. Fnatic are super strat/exec heavy, and M3C play a slow, default-y game.
I think the best region for him playstyle-wise outside of APAC is either JP or NA. If you watch his stream and how he plays he's a lot more mechanics focused than playing smart. He often asks Jinggg to support him during games. I worry for his performance once Jinggg goes to do his service...

tbh going lossless in EMEA is crazy. Fnatic went like 12-3 the entire tournament. EMEA may be clowned on because of Reykjavik but let's not forget Champs had 4/4 EMEA teams in playoffs and 3/4 in semis.

baby vortexy <3

statwise he was better than Sacy, Jamppi, SicK, Penny, Zellsis, Magnum, Mistic, and was Top 5 out of players with more than 200 rounds.
He also dropped 55 vs fnatic at iceland, only derke outfragged with 60

yeah, it's really fucked. A side of the country that should be discussed more often - and you can only tell if you've been here for a decent while, because it's quite subliminal.

okay, won't disagree with that last sentence, but if he's not playing at peak performance consistently, that is also on him to be consistent. Yay's consistency never came about because of FNS. He's always been consistent, ever since ANDBOX. Same goes for this kid, he's obviously not gonna be fixed just by a good IGL and coach. He's going to need to work on it himself as well. You absolutely CANNOT blame inconsistency solely on the team environment. This is the same mentality as "I'm Gold 3, but if I had better teammates I'd be Immortal."

Sheesh, Damwon making big moves. Allow left Jadeite too so it's possible he could be picked up by a KR team too.

typical ORDER fan kek

"If a team could make him play at his best consistently" -> he is not playing at his best all the time

fuck winning - getting even 1 first blood against this duo in a comp game is a flex in and of itself.

what the fuck. is there anything you can do about your rat problem man

I don't think it's his team that's holding back HIS OWN CONSISTENCY. If he is not consistent that is HIS problem, not his teams.

It's from a different but similar game. Alfajer's KAST was mostly high 60s before he got signed to Fnatic, now it's consistently high 70s.
This is partially because Alfajer was put on Chamber duty when he was on Surreal, along with KJ/Raze. Not a perfect example but it does help illustrate my point when I say that KAST does not necessarily take into account Agents and utility because that's not in CSGO. I never said it wasn't the best we have rn tho. And I never said it wasn't good-just that it's not as accurate. Which is true.

Chaebol - basically your typical cyberpunk megacorporation is real. Samsung is such a huge factor in our economy that if it were to fail our country would collapse. This is what happens when you invest in a few big companies to drive you to the top.

Materialistic desire - lots of Koreans have an unhealthy view on society. You must be rich, you must be attractive, you must wear good clothing and drive an expensive car. You must own a good house. A lot of success depends on how much wealth you have. Either that, or it depends on how academically proven you are (notice how I didn't say smart, or intelligent - Korea's education system is quite dependant on memorisation over critical thinking. I got a 1580 on the SAT and attend a prestigious university in the States, yet if I were to have applied to Korean universities I would probably be attending some third-rate college in a rural area. I also attended public school in Korea, so I was not at all likely to apply to a US university instead of a Korean one.)

Insane extremism - the country is socially divided between men and women. A lot of men in Korea DESPISE women, and feminism. This is because the early feminists in Korea were feminazis instead of promoters of equality. They would often talk misandry and essentially ruined the foundation for healthy social activism in regards to gender equality. As a result, there is a strong anti-woman mentality in Korea, and it really makes life for women hell. Another case of extremism is the Internet culture. A lot of people have been driven to suicide due to harassment online. And the Korean language really cuts into your soul, unlike English. This shit HURTS. Idk how to explain it but it's like a fucking dagger.
A famous Streamer called Jaemmi 잼미 committed suicide recently because of online harassment. Her mother was driven to suicide weeks/months prior due to the same kind of harassment.

"And then I lost my mother. I know I haven’t really talked about my mother’s death until now, but she took her own life… She, too, had been battling depression, caused by menopause. But after seeing me struggle, I think it [got worse]. I think she may have died because of me. I killed her. Had I not been a streamer, she would be alive…"
https://www.koreaboo.com/news/korean-twitch-streamer-jammi-suicide-death-radical-feminist-cyber-bullied-male-extremists/

Korea has a serious dark side.

ye

u guys are also home to the goats trembolona and mwzera

It is still sort of doxing, even if it's not fully accurate. What you did is essentially compile publicly available information into an (albeit rough) dossier. That's what doxing is. Nothing wrong with what you're doing so far, because it doesn't seem to be malicious in intent. However, it's still a risk and if it were me as the subject of this thread, I'd want it deleted. But it seems Netero himself doesn't care too much, so it's fine.

Don't feel compelled to justify yourself btw, my post was just a reply to the other guy's comment, not necessarily judging you.

while analysts do rely on the statistics a TON, they're not necessarily limited to it and can offer input onto the inner machinations of a game. ThinkMan is just a super statistics-oriented analyst imo. Lothar is also an analyst but provides more depth into the game.

we may disagree on valorant but it is always nice to see someone succeed in their goals!

Read everything, and I don't disagree. Of course Sliggy will be able to give a more nuanced, in-depth view of rounds - he's a certified top-level coach who managed one of the best teams in the world. TMV seems to rely a bit too much on the numbers, and despite what people may say, Lothar has good analysis as well.

LOUD with proper practice against EMEA teams sounds scary AF.

good shit fam

It's a stat from CSGO, so it's not as accurate in this game - biggest difference is because of agents and their roles. e.g. In CS anyone can be a smoker, but in Valorant only Controllers have access to proper smoke abilities. As a result, KAST may be inaccurate when taking agents into account.

Thinking Mans Valorant is good but he relies too much on numbers imo. Util impact isn't exactly quantifiable yet.

That's not to say he's wrong here, Stax is one of the best initiators in the world.

Yeah, looks like their Playoffs run. Stax, Trent, and a LOUD player