i am radiant as well. respect my takes too? 👉👈

true but KRU did not win a single map in Groups last Masters.

'not a huge upset" the Masters 2nd place team just lost to a team that went 0-2 in groups at the very same Masters.

Huge upset.

MASTERS 2ND PLACE LOST TO A TEAM THAT WENT 0-2 IN GROUPS BRO

ALREADY A HUGE UPSET HOLY FUCK

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really really surprised how well Zest is doing mechanically because he was part of the reason VS lost to Nuturn during stage 2 2021

Why shave what is already not there

SHEEESH

well yeah he's not performing well but one bad series shouldn't take away credit from his previous performances

He's still pretty good lol keznit is just keznit

i read everything, just wanted to let you know youre not gonna go ignored

you used to have great takes but recently even in other threads you became really delusional

i appreciate that you respected my view on the scene and the game.
I personally don't believe it's an awful take to say Nth would have done better in Champs, because individually Nth were the better team and it was kind of obvious FS was a PTC/JohnOlsen show. TENNN, Meiy, and SugarZ3ro performing the way they have kind of provides a great case for this.

And yes, the stats and impact of JohnOlsen in the bo5 are clear for anyone to interpret, and also compare :)

not for jett players, counting the amount of kills is deff worse.

And you assume that ACS is a better metric? In terms of all valued available stats (Kills, K/D differential, FK/FD differential - no KAST for some reason rip) Seoldam did better than JohnOlsen map 1. Even with your supposed ACS diff, it's not even a huge gap - only 20.

as for korean pride, it's obv you would support all koreans instead of only buzz such as fucking astell KEKW.

Ignoring the fact that I mentioned Meiy, TENNN, and SugarZ3ro? Ignoring the fact that I also agreed with f0rsakeN? Looks like you've already built your own narrative buddy. What's more likely, me having a Korean bias just because I mentioned Astell, or me pushing the narrative that old Nth's players are cracked because I mentioned everyone along with Astell? LMFAO

i never said this was the main reason i rate johnolsen above seoldam, it was an additional assurance to why i think so

It's a pointless insurance. Team diff does not mean anything in regards to a player's individual skill. TL vs C9B Champs Quarterfinals, Leaf had more impact than anyone in the game, getting two aces. TL still won 2-0. You don't know what you're talking about. Jett/entry players have the most impact during the early round. Their value falls off towards the midround. FS winning was not because of JohnOlsen, it was because:

1. They had better stamina (Nth looked burned out towards the end)
2. They had good counterstrats after losing to Nth earlier
3. Their team chemistry/comms were better (I know for a fact that Nth had some comm issues because Seoldam did not know Japanese well enough and Astell had to translate for him often)
   Overall, FS were the better team that day. But that was not a JohnOlsen-provided win. Arguably PTC had the most impact for FS that series.

"Just saying, XSET wanted to sign Seoldam before Stage 1." so? what's does this have to do with anything? i wouldn't be certain he would bring xset to copenhagen as NA's first seed.

Very reputable team with good talent scouting and actual infrastructure decided that Seoldam was a viable player to join their roster. Means he had value to people who actually live and breathe the game on a daily basis and have infinitely more knowledge than we do (scrim knowledge, especially)

but in both primes during lcq, johnolsen impact > seoldam impact

You can't even say primes, Seoldam never played as a professional in any game and Northeption was his first team. JohnOlsen has a history in CS.

There's no point discussing this anymore, looks like we're not gonna compromise on anything.

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t3xture has poor mental imo.

ACS in general is a terrible metric wdym lol plus Seoldam literally went +10 to JohnOlsen's +2 and +6 in FK/FD to JohnOlsen's +3. Going 8 and 2 in FK/FD is way more valuable than having a measly 20 more ACS lmao

and why would I count a skye game when we're talking about jett players lol

"i overrate him due to his flashy shots" no lol, i consider him the better player because his util usage is the best i've seen at the time and because no other jett player got as much value as he did out of off-meta weapons (Shorty, Judge).

Seoldam literally had insane impact the entire tournament-are you sure YOU weren't paying attention?
As for "Korean pride" - if I cared about Korean pride I would be talking about BuZz being better than Seoldam lol. Arguably you have SEA pride lmao.

FS still underperformed in Stage 1 too.

FS won against Nth, therefore JohnOlsen > Seoldam? what is this logic? Team diff=/=player diff. That's like saying Mummay > Yay when NV beat ANDBOX.

Just saying, XSET wanted to sign Seoldam before Stage 1, according to Vanity.

ggs Northeption! I believe in LB run! Gambate!!

UBF
Seoldam was diffed map 1
Seoldam diffed map 2
Seoldam diffed map 3

GF
seoldam diffed johnolsen map 1
seoldam was diffed map 2
map 3 seoldam was on skye
map 4 johnolsen diffed
map 5 seoldam diffed

4-3 for seoldam

not to mention seoldam had crazy impact during that series.

it was pretty close and either way, johnolsen is terrible at oping and that's partially the reason FS got smashed the way they did and why they aren't even in VCT anymore. he was a good player though, i respected his skill. but he is not better than seoldam, end all.

Fuck it, say Astell is doing shit - its still 4/5 players on old Nth that are insanely good. And Meiy is still carrying CR.

as for pati, definitely possible, but he has had the chance to go up against international competition whereas seoldam has not. it's possible that seoldam could have done just as well, if we judge by how TENNN and SugarZ3ro have done last Masters, and seeing ZETA's shotgun plays were literally taught by Seoldam.

common trembo W

lazy to reply to everything but only buzz and f0rsaken are in competition, johnolsen cant op for shit.

you have no idea what value astell provides for his team as he is igl. + meiy is still definitely carrying.

also agree on the group matchup. but fs failed to get even 1 map. i reckon nth could.

yeah its not looking good

gian is trolling. he always does this during masters

wtf is this logic

u r high

"people only remember the winner" tell that to PRX

2/3 KR teams in top 4 LCQ. Nth, the team that only lost once 3-2 in GF to the team they beat just a day or 2 ago was spearheaded by a Korean player (Seoldam) and Korean IGL (Astell).
Not to mention like I said, TNL the real 2nd best team in KR did not even attend LCQ because of the single elim format.

with franchising next year hopefully KR gets a better chance to show off its talent

lmfao gotcha

they just see DRX winning everything and assume everyone else is horribly bad.

Yeah, but due to single elim bracket they did not get any points at all.

Yes. A lot of people think KR players suck because of how dominant DRX is in the region. People were talking about how all the other teams in KR suck and how KR players are quite bad.

TNL esports had Meteor, eKo, Hate, Exy, and TS with Bail as coach last year, and did not make it to Berlin or even LCQ.

are you on your Masters arc again Gian?

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Meteor and coach Bail just proved that despite being on a team that didn't achieve anything domestically (TNL) they are the real deal and people deserving of their status. Now it's time for Exy, TS, Hate, and eKo to make it to an international LAN and prove it too!

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ageing like milk atm

by the young GOAT Mozart

aka "i cant counter"

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true, but FS didn't win a single map. I'm confident Nth could at least have managed 1 map.

However, rematches often work out in favour of the team that lost the first time because they gain valuable info, which they can use to counterstrat during the rematch.

also bo2= best of 2 games total. You mean bo3 and bo5, respectively. not bo2 and bo3.

wtf you're right

edit: checked their twitter and they signed fucking POWAH as streamer? holy fuck that's a name i've not heard in ages.

well, okay, that's kind of a reach, but they have the potential imo.

LMFAOOOOOOOOO

Lacrimosa is sick, and the Stax intro was crazy with the red smoke.

This trailer is so hype holy, all the teams look good.

Better team like how Guard were the better team vs OpTic in stage 1 this year?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwaco8m_WRo

lmfao, why does this crack me up

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Old. Seoldam was the best Jett in Japan (and probably even all of Asia) at one point - statistics wise and eye-test wise.

He also essentially taught ZETA how to use the shotgun.
TENNN and SugarZ3ro are insane, they are top 10/top 5 in their role worldwide right now.
Meiy was even better than those 2 and him + Astell are carrying CR rn.

FS only qualed to Champs because they won the rematch - Nth beat them already. Nth 100% would have done better than FS at Champs. It's like how OpTic lost to Guard Stage 1.

Current Nth have a better coach though, and Meteor was a really good pickup to fill Seoldam's spot.

they already beat FS, FS won the rematch.

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