bc 1 good tournament doesn't automatically make you better than players who have consistently performed better.

I'm assuming this isn't rage bait but it might very well be

they always start off well and they crumble when it matters

you are so smart

u can def tell its an alt lmfao

s4s get off the alt

bro can we stop spamming random threads please

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u aint getting me tho

fns needs to hurry up and retire. I'm praying they don't make champs

It's just recency bias.
Even in kickoff he was 4th, 2nd if u don't include furias NA sub roster. https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2274/champions-tour-2025-americas-kickoff

So far in stage 1 he went +4 against LEV and against G2 he went +8. He is still doing very well and it's only been 2 games so far after kickoff.

These stats are by no means bad and seem to be equally as good as last year. e.g last year in kickoff he also placed 2nd and had a slightly lower rating compared to this years.

eg was fighting for 6th in 2023 and yet they won playoffs and champs. cinderella runs are possible my brother

nrg look even worse after the roster change just from watching them. even tho they beat furia their lotus just looked abysmal.

Just because they beat 100t (close game) doesn't mean they are automatically better than 100t, 100t beat mibr for example and yet u dont see 100t in 2nd place.

If this nrg still had bonkar and verno I would place them in about 6th just below 100t but not above sen.

looking back 9th is a stretch and it would be more like 7th for me.

nrg in 5th is criminal.They should be like 8th or 9th 7th, also lev is def better than the shitty brazil teams

I agree that a lot of people on this site do not respect trans peoples autonomy which is shown by arguments that are framed as neutral but are ultimately trying to undermine flors identity and her trans experience. However a lot of these posts are genuine criticisms which are in good faith and shouldn't be diminished because of a few posts are in bad faith.

These posts aren't transphobic in their nature but I can easily see how they can dissolve into a transphobic post.

All in all, I agree that a lot of the arguments are ppl arguing in bad faith but these should just be ignored and some of these people disagree with trans identity but are arguing in a respectful manner. I would argue that transphobia isn't just disagreeing with ones identity claim but doing so in a disrespectful and having negative attitudes towards them.

Just some comments I thought I would add but yeah I agree with everything in ur post. Also I think that flor hate mostly comes from people being pissed at how much love she gets from the val community even if she isn't very accomplished. I see a ton of posts talking about how flor is a top x player or is carrying apeks (definitely less common nowadays) and these posts paint flor as this new upcoming prodigy when she is objectively just a mid emea tier 1 player. So this overhype I think is mostly contributing to her hate, also the more love and attention a player gets, the more hate they naturally get, it just depends on the positive to negative hate ratio. (take aspas, demon1, and tenz)

so c9 comp is also shit then?

Their comps are almost exactly the same and yet one is winning 12-1. Highlights how its a team diff and not a comp diff

bro legit majority of people on twitch are calling him a baiter

My argument is specifically about vlr.gg since thats what this thread is about.

I mean flor's "overglaze" could plausible be from unnecessary loaded hate but I don't see this hate on vlr. I have only seen about 3 posts in which someone has actually challenged flor's personal identity, this is out of roughly 20-50 vlr threads I've seen in which flor is the topic of contention.

I mean just look at some of the comments in this thread which aren't even arguing against Lilith and yet they get a shit ton of downvotes bc they argue that a lot of flor hate isn't coming from a disrespectful place. e.g #2, #10.

Just from doing a quick skim read I can only find 1 post which has been transphobic - #20

If you are mentioning platforms like x and some twitch channels like shanks then yes there is a fair bit of transphobic comments but I can never find many on vlr tbh.

The mods could be deleting these transphobic comments before I see them but often I see these threads early before they get nuked

what is bro taking like

I swear every year it just gets more shaky

name does not check out

I mean mousepad does matter but having a $10 mousepad vs a $100 mousepad will grant u legit 0 advantage

Legit, the only peripherals that matter are monitors and mice. The rest like keyboards and headphones have little difference

bro he was making a joke, how don't u see it?

this bait was just pathetic

autumn has been learning mandarin for almost 3 years he should be fine with comms by now I recon

I recon the event was only sorta mickey mouse bc of the meta change 2 weeks before vct started, leaves more individually skilled teams at an advantage since nobody really knows how to play in this meta effectively

when the time is afternoon in the americas then the site is pretty active and then during big games as well

the right play was to dismiss since if u dont then ur stuck there. Astra could have easily stunned you and you would have died.

gold 3 brother

bro nobody gives a shit

ur point??

I mean neon and raze can take top mid from A short and jett can also do it in the same amount of time.

No idea where ur getting this idea that waylay is faster

I can understand some people thinking the storyline was good but a lot of the rounds u just kept hearing people screaming at the top of their lungs which was very annoying and there was minimal hype in the crowds compared to other regions (sort of an asia crowd thing tbh). Like there was legit only 1 time where the crowd was chanting something and it lasted less than 10 seconds.

this isnt my main disagreement with you tho, I just don't see how u thought the quality of skill was good, like it seems obvious it was gonna be low this event bc of the new meta change 2 weeks before vct started but most teams apart from t1 seemed to be playing without a purpose. Like I saw very little anti strating (apart from t1 and some occasional g2 plays). Most rounds teams had no plan apart from just seeing how the round plays out and adapting from there. G2 were the only team that knew how to combo util with tejo as well.

Overall it just felt like a repeat of Madrid.

izu is not 2nd my guy, bro is like 4th or 5th. His stats are good but he just baits everyone

u gotta be trolling

it really didnt. I'll compare the top 2 at each event

2024 storylines
Madrid (Either tenz gets a second trophy and sacy is first to win a masters and a champs trophy, very mid storyline) or Pacific gets their first trophy (Big storyline).

Shanghai you had Pacifics first trophy again and TH storyline was a sub winning an international and th are a new team with little expectations.

Champs you had Chinas first trophy and TH here didnt really have one tbh.

2025 storylines:
Bangkok:
Stax and buzz duo finally getting a trophy after getting 5-6th so many times and Ascension team winning an int.

Only other storyline I can think of is I guess edg getting back to back trophies and being first team to win a champs and a masters and sen might be 3 trophies but these arent real big storylines.

Ultimately, champs 2024 alone had more storylines than this event and its the quality of the storylines that matter not the quantity.

Next year when we look back at this event it will be mostly forgotten just like Madrid which was deemed as the best event in valorant history back in early 2024.

Vlr has a serious case of recency bias.

the same argument could be made for jett brother bear, and jett can do that without much supportive util.

meta is now just tejo + breach (most of the case its double int with tejo and breach) and so no teams are gonna run triple int. Sova is still good but yeah its out of the meta for sure.

just doing a quick google search there doesnt seem to be any phrase or name for the situation u are describing but I would call it a "Non sequitur with a correct result." Non sequitur just means that the conclusion doesnt logically follow from the previous argument/premises.

person A probably had fallacious arguments since ur saying their reasoning/premises are unsound

buddy this is not what a fallacy is

it aint bc of g2 bud, there was like no storyline this event, no hype around this event, quality of skill in the matches were pretty much at an all time low (apart from Madrid) and the crowd was shit.

I dont support any of the Bangkok teams and so I may as well somewhat support one and so I chose g2 since they looked the best in terms of skill.

nah its def bottom 2

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waylay is dogshit

no way u rank AG above tyloo

2g furia
apeks koi
TS Zeta
AG Tec

Koi or TS would probably win

they are showcasing the new agent

those guys are probably newgens

eg in 2023 were insane but I would still put fnc in tokyo above them