Okay okay you get the opportunity to build a super team. Any player you want and any coach you want at any position. Aspas, Leo, Chronicle, Valyn, forsaken, etc. They only need to win one match to qualify for Masters, but the catch is, they are playing a very mediocre Team Liquid squad that is coming from the Loser's bracket. Who wins?!?!?!

all of the previous champs. sorry neither of us clarified. Im just saying liquid has done a lot better than what the other guy made it out to be.

Liquid???

1 seed that choked and went 1-2

Didnt make champs

Made champs playoffs, lost, won, lost

Got 5th

Got 3rd

I mean not really

At this point with miniboo signed, Liquids roster is almost guaranteed to be:

Minib00
Waddle
Kamo
sheyd0s
naTs

As a liquid fan, this does NOT excite me ngl, just feels like a slightly better 2024 team that makes champs as the 4 seed in emea and goes 0-2. Let me know what yall think though, or if my prediction is horrible and this is not the roster

Obviously it's twitter, so it means absolutely nothing and is just talk, but a lot of people know more than I do about contracts and rumors. My question is, why does everyone think Liquid would let go of Keiko, after he was their best player this year and at his prime looked Top 5 ITW. He was an all star that had some rough patches but definitely should stay. I figured we would keep him over Kamo for sure. Is there something I am missing here or is Twitter just dumb

For referencing, a couple spreadsheets have him as unlikely to stay, and I've seen a couple posts about him going to Vitality or Heretics. Just seems crazy to me

Won stage 2 undefeated and was the 1 seed no?

The best EMEA team lost in groups is crazy. Wouldnt wish being a liquid fan on my worst enemy. Team breaks my heart in new fucking ways every single year

doesn't mean g2 isn't inconsistent. Haven't won a masters this year, and they just got leaf back. I feel like t1 wins

yeah well recently they have been inconsistent?!?!?!? like yeah

I don't think G2 is making it ngl, they've had the same issue as liquid. Top 4 team ITW when they play at their best, but they have to play a solid t1 team and G2 is inconsistent

I think tomorrow and monday we see T1 beat G2, MIBR(hot take) beat RRQ, and GiantX beat XLG.

The real question is Liquid vs DRX rematch. I was so confident liquid would crush their group stage, but as I should know, this team always disappoints me. DRX are a lot better than I thought, and liquid definitely did not play their best. I wanna say Liquid wins 2-1, and they finally come together as a team and play like the championship caliber team that they are when they are at their best, but I just don't know.

I wanna hear some opinions, hopefully ones that agree with me, but I guess we will just have to see.

Signed

I agree he has time to learn and grow from his mistakes. He's young and definitely has a future, but he has a lot of explaining to do and a big apology to make. Him deactivating twitter and possibly discord doesn't help his case. Also, for the girlfriend argument, she broke up with him and condoned him because of this after it kept happening and he didn't learn from it. While she probably should have cut the relationship sooner, you really can't blame her.

W move ngl your wife was cheating on you and stealing your money

I can vouch for this guy he let me borrow his lambo when I took my girl to prom

Where tf have I been during the break that I come back and Liquid who defied all odds and made top 5 at Bangkok is dropping someone already????

Someone please tell me why and who is replacing him. I'm so lost

I guess if you are talking about the first match, its not that bad. But Liquid is a way better team then people expect, and I think they will go far. I see them atleast taking 1 map off of EDG, and I really think they will win

Expecting liquid to get less than 18.5 rounds tells me that you don't watch VCT.

Yes, 3:00 AM chicken strips and mozzarella sticks are life changing.

pulling numbers out of your ass doesnt mean anything. valorant had almost no cheaters before november dude

Team Liquid RAHHHH. We didn't trade with them or anything but we got Lebunbun(naTs) and the Future Goat (Keiko)

And what I am telling you is, the CS community disagrees, someone that has played both val and cs disagrees, and the fact that before the outbreak this year in Novemberish, val had almost 0 cheaters and if someone was cheating, they lasted on average 4-5 games, not even enough to play comp. I agree, game opinion is objective 100% but VANGUARD anticheat is better objectively and by the numbers

And Valorant has????? Also on my soul I've seen 100+ videos of CS cheaters spinbotting, walling , etc in comp matches with streamers, who 100% don't play normal CS match making.

Before November of 2024 I would say, Id seen maybe 2 cheaters in my val history of thousands of games. While CS players reported on the FaceIt steam form and on HLTV seeing a cheater roughly every 20-30 games.

Yeah its still a simple meta though??? In terms of just ability to be on a team with little to no practice and be able to understand the map and play style you want to achieve, it 100% is the one of if not the simplest. Agents change sure, but that doesn't always mean the entire meta is changing. When I played Funhavers and All-Stars, the only 2 maps my team didn't practice were Haven and Ascent because they are simple regardless of agent comp. Tejo might be meta now on most maps, especially with breach, but the same ideas and strategies are still present, fight a with a stun, smoke off op long, omen cross with tp, cypher lurk mid with cam on boxes, etc. Haven is definitely a simple map in comparison

Just to be clear, I've only watched VCT Americas and VCT EMEA. I've seen a couple clips from China and APAC, but not much, so I can't fairly judge.

That being said, as a somewhat biased, but also someone with little to no expectations heading into the season after the last two, why does everyone hate liquid???

I keep seeing people put Liquid in 7-8th for Bangkok rankings, which just doesn't sit right with me. I don't know if people watched the same Liquid team that I watched, but they looked DAMN good to me. Keiko is playing like a top 3 player ITW, naTs calling has been phenomenal, and every player seems to be doing their part. A somewhat rough start, especially on fracture before they changed the team comp and started rolling. But still, this team has looked strong ever since the GIANTX game.

The only thing I saw in the VIT - TL game, was a young roster getting over confident, cocky and celebrating too early. They will work on that and learn from their mistakes just like they did earlier in the bracket, and I expect them to atleast be top 4 in Bangkok just on what I've seen. I definitely think they can win, but I don't expect them too.

Please just tell me why you think they don't look as good as I do. And don't just say "they got lucky" teams can't get lucky 6 matches in a row while dominating the champs runner up.

Breeze is only simple because the only thing to do on that map is fucking shoot. Whole map is wide fucking open. Haven is 3 sites, been in the game the whole time, has had a pretty consistent meta the entire time, and doesn't have and weird doors, ropes, teleporters, etc that Bind, Icebox, Ascent, and Breeze have

Ascent and Haven are the simplest maps in the game???

ahem "before this past year obviously"

also, no I am not bad at the game. But I do appreciate you glazing CS2, on VLR none the less...

there are dozens on community notes on steam talking about cheating especially in 23' and even a statement from FACEIT talking about how they fixed it. I'm not saying FACEIT has a terrible anti-cheat, but to say they have no cheaters is just not true

Back when I used to play before val and even during val in 2020, Faceit def had more cheaters than Valorant. Also, you said you prefer CS2 over valorant, which makes me think you have something against val, as most cs players ik would tell you that CS2 sucks and no one really likes it

It has been 8 months since Abyss released on June 11th 2024, and the current map pool is pissing me off. I feel like VAL needs a change.

A new, simple map kinda like haven or ascent is ideal to me. I feel like riot is trying to hard when they create maps to be different, and in return the map just sucks, ex: abyss

I think the next map pool we should see some changes that are different, I HATE the map, but seeing breeze again would be different and maybe Harbor would be picked for once

Heres what I think the new map pool should be:

Ascent
Haven
Lotus
Breeze
Bind
Icebox
New Map

LMK what u think

ehhh maybe. The process was more tedious though in my opinion, and more cheaters in faceit fs

Depends. I played CS before Val, and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, I had way more fun playing Val solo queue than CS solo queue. Val had a lot better anti-cheat system in its prime, before this past year obviously. Having to play a 3rd party ranked system because the CS rank system was terrible, was not a highlight. I will say, CS tournaments have a lot more hype going into them then Valorant tournaments do. I wish the crowds were more active, and larger fs. CSGO is still one of my favorite games ever, and I play CS2 ever now and then, but something about 21'-23' Valorant was just so special that IDK if it can be beat. Val is 100% better than CS2 though.

I would say the way naTs has been fragging and IGLing, he deserves a spot in the top 10, if not very very close to it.

Mhmmm. Felt the same way watching him when he was back on Liquid. PRX scrimmed liquid at one point in 2021 or 2022 or smt, and in an interview said they were scared most of soulcas, because he was farming them in scrims. However, once main stage games happened, he didn't really show up and never played the same as he did in scrims

if you sit and watch the games and how they play, Liquid is the best team ITW rn

Keiko has been playing like a top 5 player maybe top 3 itw these last 4-5 matches. Where would you put him in the top 10 currently?

Best team in EMEA?? Nah Best ITW

Your name speaks for itself...

In all 5 matches we won in a row that we were heavy underdogs we got lucky in all of them?

Liquid was an underdog in every single game since APEKS, yet every time we win its because of luck. Liquid haters are so unreal

Liquid fans are finally looking good after a rough patch. Liquid has the most loyal fans by far, not just in VALORANT but across esports, and all we have sat and done is watch our team get it belt to ass the last 2 years. There is NO reason to hate a team full of underdogs that is having a generational comeback right now, but everyone is doubting us still after all we have proven. We have earned some respect, but none is being shown

someones angy.... sorry man. GGs!

LETS GO LIQUID RAHHHHHHHHHHH

Why hate an org that has accomplished next to nothing in the game, with an extremely loyal fanbase that has to sit and watch us get dominated and clapped every year dude...

1. nats
2. keiko
3. kamo
4. patitek
5. kamyk

Genuine question. After watching these games why hate liquid? They have done nothing but grow exponentially and they have been the underdog in all but 2 of their games. Not only that, but they beat down Heretics worse than VIT did

Dead serious watching all the games and seeing how teams played, Liquid has progressed the best this season in such little time. They will be a top 4-5 team at Bangkok for sure. Bit of a rough start, but even then, they didn't look "absolutely terrible" like everyone said. Keep doubting us

OH MY GOD

someones angy... sorry man. GGs