Well at least you were smart enough to stop, congrats.

If they are that retarded they WILL find a way to waste this money. Is it unethical to have children waste money on gambling? Yes, never arguing that. Were they autistic enough not to understand that the house always wins? Yes.

Also prevents Mongolian invasions, time to kill some ponies

So before that a person is dumb enough not to understand that the thing which says" ye ye, you can spend small and win BIG" doesn't sound like something which wants to rob you of your shit?

Grandfathers spend their time betting on horse racing
Fathers spend their time betting on football
Children spend their time opening loot boxes.
I feel like i see the real root of the problem

I don't understand how people gamble away thousands of dollars before realising they fucked up. My biggest fucking gamble was playing on that claw grabbing machine when I was little, ever since I just understood that such "low chance, big reward, 0 skill needed" situations are for retards

What can cause this system to go backwards? Football is built on oil money, in ufc you beat up people, NFL gives players brain damage, f1 is sponsored by oil companies and dictatorships, tough shit. I have understood that gambling is for retards ever since I was 5 when I wasted a pair of dimes on those toy machines where you need to grab the plushie using the claw. After I understood it was rigged I never gambled in my life. It took 1 time for a 5 year old to understand it was bad. If these kids gamble away their money right now on skins, they could have been the same type of people who put homes on mortgages to play some casino

I doubt they would get the same benefits because they lose a part of the revenue

But that is nowhere near relegation, it's just forcing the tier 2 teams to work like crazy

Exactly my thoughts, cs just looks like greener pastures, the only thing stopping you is the skill cap

1.) won't work cause orgs like c9, eg, mibr etc. can't save money while relying on riots paycheck
2.) won't be too popular with franchising teams cause they lose their piece of the pie

Franchising prevents it, the whole point of Franchising is that there is no relegation. This change turns it into a league and that in turn makes it less profitable for investors

and that's why I am curious to see the marathon CS calendar is. 16 events in half a year, you need to be the top of your region to qualify to the major

except there is no reason to take away that money? and then you still have prize pools from 30 events, major stickers, I am sure valve couldn't miss such an opportunity and would release some bundles as well. Just funny how you say this but valve haven't even done 1% of the content riot did with bundles, it's just stickers bringing more money than riot's bundles

would make sense, but then teams in tier 1 will bitch about it, won't they?

and all of these changes don't make franchising franchising

writing them all out
spirit - betboom
vp - winline
Betboom team, aurora, 1win all out due to being owned by bookies
gambit are just dead

all of cis orgs rely on bookmakers, vct bans them, therefore these teams going into vct is useless for the team cuz their main sponsor is banned

which makes vct a TEAM league, where players can be great but still get kicked, if eg weren't safe from getting cut, no one is

you are not finding 2 more orgs from eastern europe bro :D

I didn't get deadlock, but it just looks too raw to me, ngl, like valorant but on crack

if you want the cis playerbase to come, it will not, it's stuck in cs/dota and now deadlock.

I don't even see the problem with the format, there is nothing stopping an org from saving money, e.g. c9, eg, mibr.

by giving it 1 slot for a year

cs dies on 10th event of the year, valorant dies to orgs dropping, both playerbases go to deadlock

Tale of two scenes*, my fucking bad bros, had a brainfart

I am sure everyone here admits that CS and Valorant are in a league of their own when it comes to FPS scenes, however for next year both scenes took vastly different approaches
30+ S-tier events for cs vs 3 S-tier events for valorant. Open circuit based on power rankings vs closed league with only 8 free slots. One has a bookie problem, the other has orgs dropping from tier 2. One has tier 1 teams not really wanting to deal with their closed partnerships ending, the other has tier 1 teams still saving money despite riot giving them injections.
I am sure we won't see any of the games dying next year, but I am sure it would be fun to see one compared to the other

They would support South America, they don't. They would give tier 2 a platform inside the game, they don't. They would boot the teams which just save their money the fuck out of the league on first try, they don't

So you expect a company to spend money on a league they don't give two fucks about?

not really. so you have people stay in it for years while waiting for 1 slot? So you just ignore studies and job cuz you need to dedicate more time to get better? NBA/NFL/NHL/MLB have universities to get new talent from (place of studies), Football has lower leagues (where salaries are paid)

because tier 2 is the most important scene when it comes to game's life cycle. There is no clear path to becoming a pro, more or less it lacks a stepping stone in tier 2.
Right now it's Premier -> RELY ON YOUR OWN REGION TO BE GOOD AND GET AN ASCENSION SLOT -> get 1 slot while beating the other 8 teams -> qualify to franchising where you are by far the weakest. imo it lacks a stepping stone

it is unsustainable cause there is no clear goal you aspire to reach. tier 2 teams in CS look forward to qualifiyng to the major, they sweat their fucking balls off anti stratting the best teams in the world just to get there for sticker money. What is ascension without its label? A slot in a higher league for a year? That's like Luton in Premier League, you go in, everyone gives you a pat on the back, then they kick your ass, steal your best players and kick you out

what happens after that, I am just curious. does valorant as a game die as well?

I feel like without MASSIVE clout investment it was obvious franchising would die. The only realistic chance was selling TV rights and then splitting the revenue, like the big franchiisng leagues do. That's why I, a cs fan, prefer open circuit. It creates a hierarchy where the strongest win, not the richest

well riot have franchise, cs has betting, I am sure we aren't far off subs for like a few dollars to view games in higher quality and at the cast of your preference

well and that somewhat keeps the teams afloat. as cynic as it can sound, bookmakers are keeping tier 2 alive. I know for a fact that they can keep a top 50 team afloat and provide them great salaries (as per RachelR, a russian streamer who owns Insilio)

I just don't understand how some people can talk about expanding when even the ones existing are struggling

just sigh and say ''gg go next'', don't look like an oversized toddler

they invest in all other series, they open academies in cs, field 4 rosters in CS. the players for navi main roster in CS aren't egos, they are a top team without a star, there isn't one overperformer in the team.

final gift, truly the humble player

what about CS?

so he didn't even come from lol

that's why I like open circuit, it simply regulates itself

anyone can make it is open circuit. not any team can win the premier league in england. but almost every club in england can win the FA Cup

Then you have the dilemma. Too few teams but a lot of players

tier 2 is the staple of the scene, I doubt you want to have your stable crumbling

take a look at NA
eg had to disband their roster because they didn't go for the pay cut
sentinels needed cash injections
100t admit that they wouldn't go into esports if they started from scratch
c9 are working on a budget
nrg had chet taking a cut to fit in ethan and demon1
mibr spent money on CS
loud were struggling

CS isn't losing money tbf, plenty of prize pools even at tier 2

true, but how many orgs can you realistically let go?

these mid orgs are struggling to make ends meet bro