I think it’s a troll post but I think this was going to happen either way if NA or EU won lol. The NA fanboys were saying optic will walk every team and the EU fans were just saying wait till masters wait till champions etc.

Rinse and repeat.

Oops I meant all 5 maps. Was watching something and they said best of 7 and I typed it lol. That would be crazy though.

Depends if it goes to all 5 maps and how close the games are. The best viewership scenario if it were to Japan would probably be Japan vs Brazil or NA vs EU.

One just has massive audience and the other is NA vs eu hate boners.

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Easy bracket and Iceland didn’t majority of the teams were not allowed to bring their full roster?

Cmon Phamous. Just checked HLTV and see no threads on it. I’m not denying that there aren’t Valorant threads on there. They certainly are. But half the kids who make and comment on those threads are just idiots to begin with. They just make the same post every time. But to be fair it happened a lot here after the first Valorant lan which was super successful.

Most definitely. Anytime CS events come to NA it always does well. They need to have ESL New York again or Something.

“Cs is dead.”

Been hearing that one since 2017. They want CS to die for whatever reason.

It’s really not that dead in NA lol. The pro scene is in a rough rebuilding state but still has a good casual player base. NA still brings in good viewership to CS as well.

“I don’t play the game so it is dead.”

Another Val vs CS thread. Makes me wonder if the people who are actually insecure are the Valorant fanboys.

You can hear the crowd at least

The problem with franchising

Franchising hurts the t2-t3 pretty bad. The teams in the league will do fine but can’t say the same for the rest.

Everything is expensive my friend. I mean here in NA we have Biden and Trudeau. Both big tards.

Nah I don’t have a Newfoundland dog. I have an Akita actually. Japanese Akita if you wanna look it up. If I would have to pick between a Newfoundland dog or Labrador. That is tough.

That is weird considering how CS has a massive Chinese following. However back when the events in China were happening I didn’t follow CS at all for the longest time so idk. Funny story but the both times when NA had their runs in CS with the c9 major and liquid grand slam. I didn’t pay attention or use my computer at all. I didn’t know they won till a year later.

I know Valorant has a huge asia following. Specifically Japan and India. I know it’s not that big in China and Korea but we will see. Korea is like a Moba country and the only fps they care about is OW.

At the end of the day it’s Riot. Never been a fan of them and they aren’t the brightest bulb. If I were to host in Europe for Val.
UK, Germany, Turkey. Would be my three. Or Spain/Portugal for the SA following.

Oh ok Where do you live then? If you don’t mind me asking.

Turkey would be a great choice forgot about that. It’s just more of that CS in Denmark is treated like a sport from what I have heard. The people love it. Back when Astralis was prime form they had their games on regularly. Brazil would be another good one.

And yeah Riot isn’t the smartest bulb. I mean I’m not a big Riot guy anyway but they don’t know how to run their scene. Needs to be way more than 3 tournaments a year.

I don’t think Covid is much of an issue anymore. Most of it was over exaggerated anyway but that’s besides the point. I think it’s mainly the visa issues. I mean Navi for example missed IEM Dallas because half the team couldn’t go. Didn’t know if it’s because they are Russian with the whole Russia-Ukraine thing or what.

Where’s my invite to the Irish pub? I’ve always wanted to goto Ireland haha.

I think Germany is a good choice. I think Champions will be there. In Europe though it’s pretty easy to go from one country to another just by driving alone.

In NA it can take you 6 hours just to drive from one state or province to the next where in Europe you can probably drive through some countries in that time.

I mean I live in Newfoundland so only way I’m getting anywhere is by plane unless I wanna take a 6 hour ferry ride.

Are you planning to go?

I just personally think there are better countries in Europe to host them in no offense. If I were to pick I would most likely go with UK, Portugal or Spain (massive Brazil and Latam following) and probably Germany or France.

Hbu?

What are you on? IEM Dallas was a pretty packed arena. CS has always done well in NA for crowds. NA used to have 6 events till Covid unfortunately.

The issue with hosting in Denmark is that Denmark is a huge CS country. I mean I’ve been told they have CS on TV there and treat it like a sport. EU has great spots to host a tournament but they don’t. I think the UK would be a great choice personally.

Valorant has a decent EU following but they pick the weirdest countries to host them in. I mean Denmark is a massive country for CS. Iceland is cool but hardly anyone lives there (Ik there was no crowd).

I know the UK has a good following. That would be a good place to host.

The biggest downfall for NA CS was Covid.
But yeah franchising will be rough for the tier 2-3 teams In NA or just any smaller org who isn’t in the league in general.

The term cs frog has lost its meaning the way you guys just throw the term frog around lol. Of course I have played CS I talked to you about it the other day. The graphics for cs are literally fine. Unless you are confusing csgo graphics with CS source or 1.6 then yes those are bad lol.

Valorant graphics aren’t that good either. It’s just animated. Shouldn’t be considered about graphics in a tactical fps anyway. This isn’t COD. Performance is what matters.

Just a new source engine for CS. Supposed to come out in August but we will see. Feel like Valve is just keeping it in the back pocket until they feel like they need it. There’s no point for it right now.

If there was a new cs to come out anyway. They would need to transfer all the skins. The skin market in CSGO is way too massive to abandon it.

Valorant feels so crappy on anything above 60 ping imo.

Cs isn’t declining in NA. I think it’s stagnated in NA or very slowly growing. Nothing massive but there is still a huge casual player base in CS for NA. Not to mention esea open leagues still get over 500 teams signing up a season just for open alone.

However if I was new to fps games I would play Valorant over cs anyday. The game is dumbed down for the casual and appeals to them. Nothing wrong with that but if you want to play a game competitively it is frustrating knowing how lowered the skill gap is. Sometimes these gold players I play against when I Smurf with friends are better than my diamond/immortal queues (back when I grinded the game). I wish they increased the skill gap but oh well. Also feels like nowadays immortal is too easy to get. Adding the new rank helps but yea.

A lot of Valorant’s player base came from games like apex Fortnite and league. Or Val Is their first fps in general. Those stats you gave are hard to base off because riot doesn’t release their player count.

The last factor is that CS was never a huge game in NA. I mean it’s decent size but everyone knows the NA region is a console region. Cod is the king FPS game in NA and always will be. All my friends growing up had consoles. I was the only one who had a pc and a console but I mainly used PC.

Sorry for the essay.

I mean I like like both games. I do like CS more but I enjoy Valorant for what it is. Both games frustrate the hell out of me at times but it is ironic when you see kids on this site bash cs and call everyone frogs while they be a frog themselves.

I mean what he said isn’t entirely wrong. People will be upset but there is no doubt that for competitive matches. Riot heavily relies on watch parties for viewership. Nothing wrong with it but I think in the long term it isn’t great. Valorant has a great casual following in terms of people watching streamers play (most of which are pro or former) but yeah.

What do you expect. Look at the generation nowadays. All kids who can’t socialize and been getting handed participation trophies their entire lives.

My guy the term frog loses its meaning if you just throw the word around like it’s nothing.

The graphics for cs aren’t even that bad. Most players don’t care anyway because they all run lower settings and whatnot. Not like it’s COD or something. Valorant’s graphics aren’t that great either but I just run everything low as well.

Performance > graphics

Wouldn’t it be the other way around? Lol

Well aren’t the cs players in the collegiate league the same age lol.

I would say most Valorant players are 18 or younger.

Will always be that way unfortunately. I mean I’m from NA but don’t like any NA teams at all. I don’t mind Optic I just don’t like Marved. I personally like Gambit because they are all like 18-21 if I remember correctly which is cool. But EU is a competitive region so it’s tough. Even if they did qualify for Iceland they wouldn’t have been able to go unfortunately.

Nah OT In Val feels like a coin flip. Whoever gets lucky on the T Side first seems to win majority of the time.

Never saw that thread lol. This site is full of brain dead takes. Easy to avoid them.

Eu isn’t genetically superior but they treat their career as an actual 9-5 job. I think that is what has separated EU for the most part.

It’s really not that deep though bro. Don’t know why your all flustered rn.

Was a good game but watching Fnatic throw those rounds were tough.

Specifically watching Boaster throw. Should have never gone into OT.

As someone from NA, the delusional NA Fanboys is a main reason why it’s hard to root for NA teams.

It sucks when you’re from NA and half your region is full of deluded fanboys obsessed with EU VS NA. Game shouldn’t have been that close but LEV is a good team. They are better than XSET lol.

Dude makes a great play and follows up with a throw

Makes a great play and follows up by a bad one lol he’s thrown 2 rounds for them now

Not having trust in your teammate smh

Threw the game

Can’t tell if you’re trolling/baiting or that stupid so good job

EU has been the best and most competitive region. With that being said Optic is the only team from NA who has been consistent. They are the team to beat this event imo. But NA is not the best region.

Nah double elimination in playoffs shouldn’t be a thing. So many chances idk. It’s fine for group stages but playoffs is no bueno for me.

Yeah 3 LANs is a joke and riot has always been money hungry and stingy. I mean it shows in the skin market. I would personally buy skins in CS over Val. I just don’t like how you can’t sell anytime. I know people who have spent 1500 in skins and they are stuck with them for life. Just feels overpriced for things you can’t sell.

On jah

Cmon Phamous, you and I both know the issues with NA CS were occurring way before that. Players in the NA cs scene cared more about their egos and reputations over winning. It’s always been that way and it’s always been the issue with NA in almost every game. You see the same problems with NA VAL.

Of course all these new orgs will enter val. The game was brand new. In CS the only way to currently make money with the eu bubble was to be in europe full time. It hurt every region besides eu/cis.

Yeah they definitely have gotten stronger. The only issue I have is wasted spots for teams at events that shouldn’t really be there. They are just there for the international presence. With that being said the expansion of more teams can allow that to happen so that there are teams that may not be great but improve with the experience.
But then you also have teams that deserve to be there.

Imo EU has 7-8 teams that can all win and be competitive but only 3 can make it. Hopefully this makes sense idk. NA has some teams but only one who is consistent is optic.

Well if they find a way to change the venue and transfer the already transferred tickets they could definitely do it. I doubt they would not transfer the already bought tickets. Maybe you can only hope. Brazil will be the place to be though.