SEN being at a 2 map disadvantage (both of said maps being very good SEN maps) and still bringing G2 to 5 maps and almost making a comeback on Haven which is very obviously their perma alongside Frac makes your bait wildly obvious, do a little better on the next one lil bro

They have only ever been on form for 3 consecutive matches in their entire history, i think its safe to assume that they wont be reaching those levels again anytime soon and if they do it wont be a very often occurence. I think people overrate the addition of Simon cause while he is good, they werent nearly as impressive as those last 3 games at champs for the entire time he was there

EDG has never been in peak form aside from Champs tho, its not realistic to assume their crazy sudden uptick in performance at champs is something they will ever replicate.
But i do agree it has always been the strats that make the difference, i was just saying that when teams match them in terms of fragging, they have nothing to fall back on because their strats are very simple readable and rely heavily on good mid rounding

Rob Moore is always like this hes just weird

why? The chinese circuit is filled with trash half way down

chill out brother, china sucks make it more believable

NAH NO WAY THAT FIRST ONES TOO GOOD IM DEAD

Rob is just old Nadeshot, hes weird and doesnt see that SEN fans are just as unhinged as the G2 bandwagoners

We havent seen any peak in months so I guess ive just been dealing with it ever since champs

name me 3 reasons why its better, you rlly do be yapping with 0 knowledge

Because EDG havent really proven anything aside from massive potential firepower which has always been their schtick. They can outfrag a lot of teams and that showed against TE, they were massively reliant on a lot of individual duels and cltuch plays.
Against all the 3 teams i put above them itll be hard for them to win (aside from G2 maybe) but against everyone underneath them it doesnt matter how lacking their strategic depth is, they can completely stomp from firepower alone.
Thats why EDG was always 8th in every event before Champs where all their players peaked at the same time, they used to not know what to do against teams that matched their firepower and had more strategic depth

youre blind and stupid, "this is way worse" "you barely changed anything"

Americas should be higher since SEN 100t loud and KRU are ranked way too low on this list. Not to mention Furia and 2G dragging them down

G2 looked completely the same as the entirety of kickoff during that grandfinals dont even try lie to yourself. Even in the upper finals when sen played like straight dogshit G2 managed to lose and were close to losing so many crucial rounds however they just won off fragging cause sen couldnt hit a single shot or play a single clutch scenario.
G2 are not that good but that doesnt mean SEN arent the best second seed, especially considering how fast they improve historically, i dont doubt theyd be able to get into form and wash all the teams in this tourney

EDG literally won champs because of their individuals, its like you trace glazers are finally realizing just how fraudulent EDG are.
And yes I do think EDG are the worst first seed and if it wasnt for DRX id even say theyre BY FAR the worst first seed. Theyre extremely inconsistent with their fragging and thats why they fail to ever do anything at internationals past the trash teams

stop sniffing glue

you are out of your mind if you think Trace are looking good enough to beat sen and liquid.

all the games post BBL theyve looked amazing, idk how you could deduce that theyre streaky when there 0 evidence to prove so

tell me why, ill rebut every argument you have

weve literally seen both NRG and 100T play to enough of a level to say what they did at kickoff was an underperformance, idk if thats hard for you to grasp but i feel like its quite obviously apparent.
KRU clearly should be a team that can reach the peaks they did in kickoff but even counting last years roster that kind of a performance was unprecedented and they fell back to regular form against MIBR.
MIBR is just plainly bad, theyre carried hard by aspas and have almost no strategic depth whatsoever

I honestly think that as long as TL arent on a honeymoon rn, theyll easily beat EDG. EDG only look that impressive cause they rule over their region like kings. They also play a lot more confident and care free in their region which allows them to feed off momentum.

dude heretics literally autopiloted a BO5, you cant excuse that AT ALL. people hating on 100T for literally no reason

• Doesnt matter, NRG vastly underperformed against said shit team who vastly overperformed against NRG

• 100T vastly underperformed against NRG who were also underperforming against 100T tho not the same extent

• MIBR is a HORRENDOUSLY bad team that get carried by individual hero plays and aspas being a demon that has impeccable aura

• KRU just be shooting some days and not on other days

This list is genuinely horrendous, heres a better one (I have no idea what to do with half the chinese teams, theyre all glue sniffers)

Vitality
G2
Sen
EDG
DRX
TL
T1
FUT
100T
TE
Gen G
NRG
BLG
TH
MIBR
Kru
KC
BBL
XLG
Talon
Lev
NS
Loud
Fnatic
RRQ
FPX
Boom
EG
PRX
DFM
Nova
Navi
GiantX
Gentle Mates
GE
C9
JDG
Wolves
Furia
Apeks
TEC
KOI
TS
2G (they dont have their real roster, cut them some slack)
Tyloo
AG
Zeta

half this guys list is completely whack, dont pay it any attention hes clearly massively biased

sure man

yea exactly its just a come and go kind of thing, if those 75k were gonna be a major benefit to the scene theyd watch more than two failing rosters.
The only issue I see is the blatant lack of talent coming from Japan, they hold a massive market of viewers and we just have 0 representatives for it because all their teams are ass and there isnt any investment to gather all the best talent of the region. Talent scouting is also ATTROCIOUS

you clearly didnt watch EMEA, on a failing team he was literally the only guy keeping them afloat. He was easily the most impressive rookie of early 2024 and he could never show it off past the kickoff cause his team just crumbled around him.

Meteor by comparison was on a team that was completely dominating throughout the year, that will easily inflate his stats especially when majority of the competition during 2024 were vastly inferior to GenG especially the Pacific region where GenG could coast by and still qualify to masters and champs.

Regardless, youre vastly underrating narrate because hes on new roles on Sentinels who are in absolute shambles rn. You saw him holding up sentinels all by himself on Iso during the haven game, the kid has huge potential to be a world class player

flashback was off and on last year, your argument isnt too valid if were talking about the potential of those 2 players

flashback has been playing for a while already and with every new rookie that looks half way decent in the league gets hyped to kingdom come, i mean look at foxy9, primmie, tomazy, marteen, yuran, Jemkin, and there are probably a ton more flying over my head rn. They all get hyped to be the second coming of yay but they never are.
Dont get me wrong all these players are great and some of the best in their regions but the justification of "oh theyre young they have so much potential to grow" is an argument thats been used over and over again that has NEVER paned out in the way people expected them to

yea it doenst matter tho, narrate has a higher ceiling than meteor too it isnt exactly a crazy statement. Many other players also have higher ceilings than meteor

while you might not care in the short term, a lot of those viewers created massive revenue for the scene and kept it alive in order to reach where it is now. Tenz played a huge role in allowing valorant to get out of the pandemic era with a thriving esports scene and huge success globally. There are even pro players now that credit tenz as the reason they joined the league

and yet somehow the top players are absolutely dominant with their aim and completely shutdown lesser teams regardless of t he player quality

The CS playerbase has massively dropped ever since the release of valorant and CS2 didnt do anything to help the game other than the initial wave of players. Most CS league watchers dont actually play the game and CS has great production throughout its tournaments with great narratives due to years of being an esport.
Give Valorant more time, im sure it wont kill CS viewership but once the league matures and all teams are actually good in franchising itll bring back a lot of the brazilian viewers and possibly even be able to replace all the tenz stans that left the esport after his retirement

It doesnt really matter anyway though, the viewership will rise and drop through the years, we literally saw this during 2023 as well due to a massive wave of talent getting locked out of franchising.
Just go look at historical data for the early years of any successful esport and youll see that expecting it to rise each and every year is unrealistic

that is one of the dumbest statements ive heard yet out of a VLR user
Either way tho no flashbacks peak doesnt match narrates peak

?

bored, theres no valorant to watch

Even more Sen fan hate, the sen fan hate will never end

Narrate when hes doing good is far above flashback, the issue is we havent seen that from him yet on sentinels and thats an issue

we see where your biases lie

7AM isnt cooked at all tho, over in SEA we gotta wait for EMEA games to START at 12 and the second game at 3, Americas is a little better at 5 and 8

Vitality have FAAAR more firepower than EDG has ever had. EDG are great but theyre very form reliant and have only ever been exceptionally good during that Champs run and even then id argue it was mostly due to their opponents not being able to match in terms of form with them

I agree with everything but EDG, they dont look nearly good enough for them to be called favourites and for liquid to be called the upset team. Liquid played amazing on multiple maps with such an in depth strat book. I just think they arent very experienced in BO5s esp against good teams and so they werent able to keep up their form through the finals but that wont be an issue for their Bangkok run
Unless this is just a honeymoon (which i highly doubt), theyre looking much more promising than EDG

Nah liquid are good enough to do well regardless of the tape teams have on them. Unless theyre honeymooning theyre gonna be the favourites against EDG in my eyes since EDG havent looked very impressive at all

this lameass keeps downvoting you lmao

yea itll likely be SEN since they have a massive following in thailand cause of their past asian players, Liquid, or DRX

i never said that... 👀

Like when you think about it these were the only guys in cchamps to beat EDG,, im just saying, yall be sleeping on this upcoming dynasty

G2 is genuinely the best team in esports history. Like this roster would own when placed into any esports. I think they might even own in real sports thats how good they are.

For all I care put them in LoL, put them in Dota, put them in Rocket League, hell even in rugby, these guys would truly show you what it means to be the best, to be the pinnacle of your craft, to pave the way for others as a legend that will go down in the anals of mankind.

G2... are best team