EDG werent the best team in Champs last year. Id argue they werent even top 4 if youre considering peaks of Lev and SEN

or even make it a close series is a crazy add to that statement

Implying that jawgemo has become a role player is exactly the reason people were skeptical of if G2 would be able to bring out the most in Jawg. This man is one of the most aggressive and confident duelists in VCT right now, if hes become a role player like Icy was then theres barely any actual upgrade being had here.

This is just sad man, like I personally dont think weve seen enough to say that Jawg has become a role player but if he really has then my argument is completely valid in saying this team isnt much better than last years team, if on top of being a role player he also isnt fragging out as much as other duelists on the exact same role then its a waste of arguably the best entrys talents.

Upgrading a role player to another role player that MIGHT shoot a bit better isnt much of an upgrade if at all, what everyone was hoping for was that G2 would loosen up their super rigid structure in order to get the most out of Jawgemos unbelievable fragging power when hes let loose.
Theres a reason Leaf wasnt working on the duelist role when they first picked him up and then moved him to the senti role

• we havent seen them in peak performance at all, leaf popping off and trent finally aiming after 2 years of mid isnt "peak performance"
• they do have great execs reclears defaults and contacts but like ive mentioned a billion times already, they did last year (even when they had net) as well and clearly that isnt enough when youre in Tier 1 in the hardest league
• yea sure they have good team comps but so do literally every other major team across the globe, idk why this is a talking point. All the successful teams are currently running the meta aside from 1 or 2 (maybe more in china)
• they havent lost a map to 2 of the bottom half of the league, what an achievement
• we havent seen them adapt to any playstyle or team, both C9 and Lev are heavily reliant on taking duels together and they couldnt even do that right against G2
• idk why relying on teammates is anything special, like any team that makes internationals or are good theyll have a very reliable roster of 5. Most teams that are around top 3 or 4 in their respective leagues have "insanely good" players

There were others that made far better arguments as to why G2 is potentially the best in the world than you have here. Like i said, they MIGHT be but 2 games against Lev and C9 tell us not even a tenth of the full story

dude im genuinely getting tired of ppl misreading my shit, go read it again, slower this time

yea i mean if it wasnt multiple working weeks per SEN or G2 game I wouldnt even be talking about this rn but weve been living with this glaze for AAAGEESS now and frankly if they beat SEN AT ALL its gonna be a lot longer

that makes no sense at all, a massive portion of tejo usage comes from the playbook not on the fly use. G2 just dont have a great idea yet as to how they wanna use him, G2 has never really innovated the quickest out of any team in the past and it doesnt seem any different rn.

Also trent is a really creative initiator, he used to be that guy to look at when you wanted to see creative usage of certain util or perfect individual usage, if anything Trent should be expected to be the best on an agent like Tejo if it was up to the players to do whatever they wanted to with the utility

not a 1 for 1, completely different roles and something isnt even an igl

that one mightve been the one truly goated 1 for 1 switch in the history of vct

I didnt even get into it in my comment but yea yorue completely right, even taking into account this current meta i dont see anything that special out of G2 that doesnt exist in other teams

I have, just the same as i dont like the premature glaze, i wouldnt be bringing them down if i wasnt aware of what it was people saw in them. Frankly everything everyones been saying as to why theyre good has been the reason theyve always had high expectations. Everything people are saying will be different this year havent proven themselves to be different yet and frankly going against Lev and C9 cant prove those statements either.

If they can look just as dominant as they did against C9 and Lev in this coming SEN match (as long as sen doesnt shit the bed) then ill be aboard the hype train and hyping them up to start a dynasty

Im ready to see them win something but until I see the clear capability to do so im not gonna give them unwarranted hype, theres enough premature hype for valorant teams already

what isnt lazy design for a karambit? Its a tiny clean knife

Theyve always looked fundamentally better than everyone, theyre always playing situations "perfectly" and they always look coordinated and put together, thats what most top tier teams look like when they go against teams of the level of C9 and Lev on that day.
If thats what they looked like against Loud Kru 100T or hell even MIBR Id be more readily agreeing to the best in the world statement but the reality is we CANT say anything right now because they havent faced a challenge yet. We dont know how theyre gonna react against a team that can match their calling protocols and fragging. What happens when they fall into another Champions Lev or FNC game?

Im not shutting down peoples opniions of them being a good or great team, im shutting down the irrational glaze that theyre receiving of being gods gift to valorant. Im a TG fan, I remember this happening multiple times before, it never ends well

did you get any of what i said?

are you being serious?

there were A TRILLION c0m glazers in that EG run. The worst clutches yet they somehow worked every single time caused his stocks to skyrocket.
He was the worst player on the original EG roster pre franchising and somehow now hes the one getting spots on teams like Lev. But yea he was flamed because people started realizing hwo trash he really was

c0m glazers, the bane of VCT

I just dont agree tho, nzr was an amazing player by the end of 2023 and Lev looked like a really impressive prospect going into the season, c0m has always been mid asf, people overrate him cause everyone hypes him up from his clutches on EG.
Even within Lev c0m wasnt that great and was constantly holding them back early on. Hes improved now but nzr was definitely the better player back then, a lot of ppl are just NA pilled

not a 1 for 1, he started duelist, it ended up being leaf moving over to senti but even then leaf doesnt play senti like neT used to either way

yea but then my point stands does it not? The 1 for 1 isnt exactly responsible in providing any improvement in the team at all

hes correct because Jawg hasnt looked very special at all on this G2 team as everyone was fearing before he joined the team?

again im not saying theyre bad but this doomerism around sen v g2 is crazy as if G2 are set to 2-0 13-0 13-0 sen in this next match like... they AINT allat

I dont think that even ended in an upgrade tho, the team looked abysmal for a lot of the year, if anything keeping nzr wouldve served them better in the long run, also com is trash, nzr is way better

bro really said "youre out of your league" 💀

thats not 1 to 1 theyre completely different roles

people are saying theyre the best IN THE WORLD

like ive said already, theyre ALWAYS efficient, they crumble though the moment they go against teams that actually know how to shoot back because their entire structure completely crumbles.
Even going against trash teams like C9 and Lev they needed a lot of heroics to win swign rounds and thats worrying considering how horrendous those 2 teams looked

im including their redbull games.
Either way tho 1 for 1 replacements have never worked out well in valorant almost ever. I cant think of a single 1 for 1 upgrade that ever turned out to be an "upgrade"

"best americas team"
Made 3rd and bombed out of champs playoffs

Meanwhile SEN: Won Masters and made top 4 in champs

Like I said sure they won their games dominantly but they played against some of the worst in all of Americas, its not all that. G2 always destroy teams that are significantly below them, they only ever really crumble and struggle against teams that are relative to them

AND LEAF???? ARE YOU MENTAL?? well... maybe theres an argument considering leafs chokes but still saying that so confident like that is mental

its not rage bait, im not saying theyre bad but im just saying they dont look so special that warrants all this glaze

Jawg has looked horrible this year compared to ANY of his other years

G2 went against trash teams in trash form
They did nothing all off season and if anything got trounced by a slightly better C9
They still look the same as last year where they had clear issues with their game plans and dealing with teams that can shoot back

but most of all
WEVE SEEN LITERALLY NOTHING IMPRESSIVE FROM THEM, like they look clean yea but they looked that way last year too and received none of this wank???

Just to clarify I dont think theyre bad but the way people are reacting to them beign dominant clean and "perfect" is way too overblown considering who it was they were going against and the plain fact that they didnt remotely get challenged. Tier 2 teams can look like this going against GC teams, doesnt mean theyll win all of Tier 1, you cant look bad if the opponents are jumping off the map

I think it looks great, really simple and clean. Do I think itll be worth the money? Ofc not, but when is a valorant skin ever worth the money?

what part of TDM is not cancerous enough already?

will*

THEY WENT AGAINST C9 AND LEV BRO WHAT IS THIS MAGNANIMOUS GLAZE FOR THEM

...You need to read it again or change your flair cause youre either delusional stupid or glossed over my post, for your sake i hope its the last

Lmao aight man, ill be back when the time is right dont worry 😂

fair enough

Sure SEN looked shaky but they always do, I dont remember a single run theyve made where they looked stable and consistent throughout post Reykjavik. In fact I kind of consider that their brand and partially why i love supporting them so much, it feels great when the SEN doubters/haters get put in their place

whats the "Trade War" thunder noises

I mean its not exactly the same for me. For the longest time (for all of VCT pretty much) ive only ever cared about SEN really, I have other teams I root for like Boom, FNC, back in the day PRX and the VS core/roster (sometimes even just individual players on certain teams) but i never react to games the way i do to sen games.
Imagine my 3 years straight of no SEN related games beyond the regional first few weeks before they were out on points.

I still find the joy of the game in other teams tho, especially teams with personalities I can connect with. Thats also another reason that I tend to rage bait and make outrageous statements so I can actually feel something and want a certain outcome to happen so i can ridicule the masses that went against my takes

its not an upset bro, wtf is wrong with the sen fans of today, we might need the Tenz stans back to bring the copium back up

literally all the matches against G2 meant nothing and you could tell with the way they played they DID NOT care at all

Any of the bad EMEA teams, holy shit they make me wanna pull my eyes out

dude c0m specifically i love rooting against because of how much people glaze his mid ahh clutches.

yea no thats not a good point at all, tier 1 teams performances are already not an accurate show of how good an individual is but tier 2 teams is a whole other level if youre using the teams success as a measure for the individual

ok but then i dont understand why youre claiming sen is fucked with 0 backing or knowledge of wtf youre talking about. Like come on you gotta understand how that looks right?? If you dont know then say you dont know, this just comes off as doomerism and no one is for it.

Also you say you got a life but im seeing an awful lot of your messages here in vlr my guy

Ive been following TG and was a fan since before they qualified through challengers, the expectations for the team the moment they got picekd up by G2 was that theyd be top 5 teams in the americas, they werent. Both times they beat SEN were in matches that didnt matter in the slightest and SEN were playing a noticeable amount worse than they were in the previous matches.

Yes they were a disappointment as someone who expected them to live up to their players and their reputations

• They picked up leaf and icy and they became a really good team and made it deep in an event.
• In champs they were expected to at least make top 3 again since they started really looking like a solid team and they get completely boomed 0-4 by lev and fnc.
• In my eyes if i was a G2 fan, thats a complete disappointment for a roster of amazing players, that champs run would have them lower than their first ever LAN

It seems to me like youre a new fan because youre treating them as if they were ever an "ascension" team when theyve always had tier 1 expectations placed on them and just never lived up to them when it really mattered. I dont count a high regionals placement anything special when every team below the top 3 SUCKED