Has the valorant stream ever hit 270k on the main stream??? Holy shit

Hard copium

That ended quick

I miss the days that the top teams used to have insanely well planned out rounds and played so well towards their strats. This final rn is literally just unbelievable individual performances clashing with each other. I miss M3C v FNC type of gameplay, Masters 1 Optic v DRX, most PRX matches.
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I'm not saying these teams have no strats or bad strats. It's just that half the time they're so carried by indiv performance, it seems like a lot of their shit gets shit down by optic (and no it's not cause of optics anti cause the other matches were the same)

Yea each map is only gonna be 13-5

So you're literally calling this match boring. You'd be correct

A casual wants to watch teams that never played before??? So I wanna watch nearest airport Vs oxygen academy... Yknow now that you mention it that would be a more hype match than optic v loud

Just watch it be the most one sided shit ever, I don't even think it's fine go to a 5th map

The only good match they had that tourney was against loud. Also the xia one was not even a hard lower bracket it was against fucking Kru dude. And then we don't even need to talk about how badly they stomped xia

If anything that helps my argument. Casuals would only watch the most exciting matches, and this for sure ain't one of them.

You say that now...

It's almost like you've forgotten how many times they've played each other hmm maybe that's a sign as to how FORGETTABLE they're matches are

Your flair doesnt help you. The matches are always do unbelievably one sided it's crazy. First quarter loud second quarter optic third quarter loud last quarter always optic. When one side is dominating the other looks like they don't know how to fucking adapt. Snoozefest man

I don't watch basketball but I can already tell you that this is a completely different comparison with a completely different scope. Conventional sports rematches are nothing like eSports rematches, usually eSports rematches are quite entertaining but once they reach 4+ no one gives a shit anymore. That's literally why no one cares abt fpx v FNC ( and I fucking love FNC but I just can't stand watching them go against fpx over and over again)

I'm casual for not watching the most milked and boring matchup? Dude optic v loud has been such a snoozefest ever since the gf where optic 3-0ed them. It's just been constant optic comebacks sweeping loud over and over again. It's the same shit repeated so many times. If you want to watch a match like that then you're not in it for the high skill matches you're in it for the narrative and that alone, which I would argue would make you the casual.

I don't know about deserved cause it definitely wasn't. Though they definitely had the potential to completely wipe optic in the lower finals but they had the shittiest showing ever. Optic aren't even good at haven sex just kept trying for indiv fights in the last few rounds and it cost them cause they're going against a fucking phoenix

Because Acend is a fluke and now you can see it's not even EU bias is literally just facts

Because unlike optics third place fpx in fourth actually had competitive and we'll played matches. Placements have absolutely no bearing on how good a team actually are, it's the actual match itself and how the team plays that dictate how good of a team they are. Fpx literally played the best map against drx. Literally at a skill level we almost never see in vct whilst optic really just played like dog water in Copenhagen and fluked it to third. Also their only first place was in a tournament where the strongest region didn't have it's top 3 reps

Not in drx but just disappointed in general. The last thing I would've wanted was to have a repeat finals/match against 2 teams that have had the most boring matches in vct history.
Ngl I'm not even watching gf, I just pray loud win

My entire argument has now been invalidated with a single word response

Team play isn't strategy. Though I do believe that it's much more important than strategy. All the heavy stratting teams have fallen, M3C, FNC, EG, 100T, PRX, ZETA, LEV. Apart from PRX and FNC none of them have really achieved anything at all. Heavy strats just aren't a sustainable way of playing in pro play cause you always have to keep rebuilding from the ground up every tourney especially if you hit top 3.
The only team who were able to keep it up for a long time was Gambit/M3C but they eventually felt the huge burnout from it and they just fell off

Dude all the top 4 teams are all aim no brain. Closest one to brain is drx but watch their match and their strategies are actually very minimal (until combos are NOT strats), a lot of the reasons for their wins are their insane gunplay and chemistry with each other. Fpx were a more extreme example of that where they just keep taking a ton of fights and just keep winning.
The most strat heavy team this year we're FNC and you can see how poorly they did. It's not a sustainable way of playing the game especially because of how effective anti stratting is against that kind of style. FNC needed to be able to win without all their strats but their players just didn't have good enough games.

Fax

Not in Copenhagen they didnt

Kru
FNC
FPX

Who is bro talking to?

RIP I use both of them at the same time but i still get ads mid game, recently its been increasing in frequency

i cant tell if youre being serious

no dude, KRU are ass without onur, he was the entire reason for their run in champs last year

FNC literally beat them EVERY MATCH in regionals and once on LAN (in a row)
3 times in regionals 1 time on LAN

Match 1: 2-1 (13-3 | 5-13 | 13-10)
Match 2: 2-1 (13-6 | 12-14 | 13-9)
Match 3: 3-0 (15-13 | 13-5 | 15-13)
Match 4: 2-0 (13-10 | 13-4)

The thing is their peak this year alongside FNCs peak this year hasnt been met yet by any other team.

idk abt the FPX one tho, M3C and FNC both had higher peaks than FPX and while M3C fell off right after FNC definitely were still in form for a while they just didnt get a chance to show it on the stage. I think FNC have fallen from their form in Stage 1 and 2 regionals and its so sad cause that FNC wouldve mopped up all these teams in Champs tho i dont think theyre even gonna make it out of groups if they keep playing liek they are rn.
Also i dont know about optic being the undisputed best in NA, 100T are actually for real good. I think if they faced the optic rn 100T would win simply because they dont allow you to make comebacks like they just did against loud.

?? U gud bruh?

WHY TF IS THERE A SEN TARIK VIDEO ON MY FUCKING FEEED WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON????

you dont have to get to a lan to be top 20. Sick didnt get to a lan but id definitely still put him up there (on the flex role)

ur literally trolling, Shao had so much more impact than anyone else in that tourney. Suygetsu is good for like 2-3 rounds a map and sometimes doesnt show up at all.

this is more copium than sen fr fr

who are you?

thats because they have easy potential to be number 1 but they just keep throwing everything. They shouldve won last years champs

not rlly, i couldnt even read the title. I only clicked on it cause i was reading a bunch of champs threads

LMAO

Technically Derek has been to the previous lcq LAN even if it wasn't "LAN"

Mistic just had a bad tourney imo and boaster has been doing good. They definitely have the players now they just need the consistency. Their protocols are great and the set plays in challengers were amazing but they didn't use them in masters which was their biggest downfall. It also just looked like they were really panicked and not focused

That's not my point. They didn't even execute their strats that they worked so hard on. It's like they forgot all of it. They played really poorly and if they played like they did in masters, in challengers, they would've lost for sure

also the storylines since masters 2 has been shattered so you just proved why they won't win

100t hasn't been great so I agree. Sen would've beat them if they didn't start the series so poorly. Even till the end honestly they didn't look like they did against TG and SR so it's a shame that they lost by 1 round.

Honestly alll they needed to do in masters was play like they did in challengers and they would've won easily. They just fell so flat

Thank God they finally disband. They're trash fr

Agreed, they kinda threw it against TG and 100t ngl. They very easily could've won against 100t had they just started out the game better, especially shroud. Bro was asleep the whole game fr. I don't know if it's cause he was sick or what but it's a shame honestly.
The guard was a little harder and they could've closed it out but they were already playing at a really good level so I'll give it to the guard

true true. Its just like how Loud are actually bottom 12 cause they finished in the bottom 12 and how Xset are top 8 cause they finished top 8.