I mean that's the point of fielding gyen this early. Eventually gyen will surpass ssees imo

I mean I'm just happy that Japan can finally play well, so I'm just hoping zeta can improve after johnta arrive

Not really, they need wakeup call, Johnta's not in korea really hurt them tho

DFM Believer by default right here ✋️🙋‍♀️

Nah, years of experience taught me to set my expectations low lmao

No shit bro, Johnta's not in korea, carlao had to work with XQQ , recipe for disaster

Gyen decides to win starting from 10 10

I apologize dfm either you're trolling against fennel or fennel is that good 😂

Gyen decides its time to win 😂😂

I've been saying he's finally unlocked leaving igling to art

I would also like to point out the indirect effects of Johnta not in Korea yet.

1. That explains why either XQQ or Carlao was hired when just one of them is enough.
2. This is a bit theoretical but ( I copied this from my earlier post cause I'm too lazy and I need to go real fast lol

Johnta's missing offline presence
Carlao had to cover Johnta ( his track record in Zeta is not good)
XQQ the interpreter ( Ik his role is AC but his practical job is probably just interpreter)

So your line of communication looks like this

Johnta
|
Carlao
|
XQQ
|
Team

Everytime the messages move from one person to another, the messages and intent behind them will be distorted

Just a theory tho. But Iirc this is how communication or messages move from sender to reciever. ( refering to how they will be distorted)

I think to tackle this issue, the most solution is to :

Get Johnta to Korea as fast as possible. this is the most significant step.
Get the team to improve their english listening comprehension, if they can do this then XQQ is no longer needed.
If number 2 didn't pan out remove the middleman , Carlao needs to go

I think the fact that Zeta has shown 0 emotion proof this , but at the end of the day it really is just a theory lol

ok I need to go now

FUCK I WANT TO WATCH SO BAD BUT I NEED TO GO

JUST KNOW THIS DFM

DESPITE ME SHITTALKING YOU I STILL SUPPORT YOU FULLHEARTEDLY

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH THE SAME OPINION 😭😭

Stop the cap, Something is the sole reason why Sengoku able to come so far.

there's not really a bubble when JP is always an open server, even if Gyen does have exposure, he would still be a risky choice anyways.

Like I said Something and Scarz are just fraction of VCJ history, notice how English speaking roster are barely existent anymore, that's because teams know it has a very hgh chance of failure.

You're not wrong that learning English is a good investment, but that's not what they need right now. they need first on foremost is a competent management.

That's just how it's been these days man, you will see threads like these in one way or another.

That's just a given

Johnta's missing offline presence
Carlao had to cover Johnta ( his track record in Zeta is not good)
XQQ the interpreter ( Ik his role is AC but his practical job is probably just interpreter)

So your line of communication looks like this

Johnta

Carlao

XQQ

Team

Everytime the messages move from one person to another, the messages and intent behind them will be distorted

Just a theory tho. But Iirc this is how communication or messages move from sender to reciever.

I think to tackle this issue, the most solution is to :

1. Get Johnta to Korea as fast as possible. this is the most significant step.
2. Get the team to improve their english listening comprehension, if they can do this then XQQ is no longer needed.
3. If number 2 didn't pan out remove the middleman , Carlao needs to go

It's not as if Jp has no cracked aimers, Riddle core hasn't been picked by Zeta or DFM, cracked jp players have been popping up. And there's no guarantee it would work anyways, English speaking roster in VCJ barely achieved anything other than Scarz ( 1 split and 2nd place ascension) and mind you they were using 3 imports. It's a management problem, not talent problem.

They barely achieved anything in Tier 2 what makes you think they will do better in tier 1, there's a reason why even DFM opted for Japanese speaking roster.

Forcing yourself to learn English while ignoring your own talent is what Scarz did, and they never achieved anything great other than winning 1 split and placing 2nd in ascension. If anything after that roster disbanded, Scarz just proved time and time again that English speaking roster doesn't guarantee you wins.

But, if there's one reason I'd like Zeta to learn English is so they can undertsand Carlao or Johnta, do that and they don't need XQQ to relay their message.

You're missing the point, op wants to remind everyone he's korean hence he's good, I think anzaldinho is pointing out this is false line of thinking instead of his English

Nvm am I the one missing the point here 😂?

i mean I still remember you with Riddle flair lol, it's just I think it's more "proper" to trashtalk current flair lol

Ik, but he probably used it because their logo is pretty likeable😂. He's just your APAC fan tbh.

Tf did RIddle Order do lol, at least trashtalk his flair

This is obviously a joke post lol

Fair point.

The moment you had your account accepted by mods and the first thing you do is to start shittalking I just automatically assume that's a sub account.

I honestly have no impression on falk or lefiedot, maybe they can surprise me.

KillAA always had an impressive stat for someone that's never picked by big t2 orgs in vcj

Solluzy was called in as a sub for sengoku before he joined zeta ac, but he never played in the end tho.

Honeybunny looked crispy imo. I gone he can show something this split.

However killaa solluzy and honeybunny all are duelist which is why I'm concerned.

Take used all his God power last match and will sleep again 😂. Waiting for his return this split 🔥.
Muto and Brian finally got help at least.

Wonder how honeybunny killaa and solluzy distributes their roles tho, but role issues will be apparent here imo, unless they can solve that issue.

Fair enough

Tbh yeah , they are better off playing outside, having your tier 1 orgs to be incompetent managers ( Zeta ) and one that constantly hates your own players ( DFM) sucks anyways.

Soon, I think, full Japanese roster will look like a better choice for orgs imo, new players keep popping up like Keisu and Satwoshi ( istg pls let him play duelist ).

tbh, idk, so far I only focus on roster moves or the players.

Eventually they will be better, it's just I don't expect immediate results, I'd prefer to see a solid tier 2 in order to have a solid tier 1.

Apac : Zeta DFM
EMEA: M8 TH
Americas : NRG EG
CN : sorry I barely watched CN

Not really, the reason why I said I'm waiting is because most of them are 16 17 lol, and they only started playing so I need to wait and see.

Based on their scrims, I want to see a public match between Fennel and DFM so badly lol, I need Fennel to decimate DFM like they did in scrims just to send a message

What I'm trying to say is back to #2, assuming that other regions have harder qualification, what makes them able to qualify that when you can't even get orgs to choose you instead of imports anyways. You need to set achievable goals first imo.

https://liquipedia.net/valorant/VCL/2024/Thailand/Split_2/Promotion
Saying full Japanese roster doesn't work is like saying full Indonesian roster or full Thai roster hasn't worked well when that's just how it is, just a team that fails to reach anything. There are 111 Thai players fighting their way for 2 spots in split 2, so most teams are full Thai, of course full thai team is going to fail when 99% of the league are Thai players. This is normal. Besides, Fennel and Murash have shown that you can succeed as a full japanese roster.

That line of thinking is taking shortcuts which harms the scene imo, How do you expect the scene to grow when even the orgs themselves are taking shortcuts. They need to go through the process of developing their players ON THE FIELD, developing them in "academy teams" just won't do it.

Pretty high tbh, all depends on Zepher imo.

That only applies to orgs like Fennel and Scarz.

Mid to low orgs pay low wages.

Split 3
yotaa
yoshii
adrnking
EJAY
Tenzou

Prior to split 1
yoshii
anthem
Medusa
Satwoshi
LOB

Split 1
yoshii
anthem
Medusa
Zepher
LOB

I wish those fuckers like Scarz understand this bro

KR orgs pay shit wages. Nowadays it's way too easy to get into a jp team. Just put " learning Japanese" on your LFT page and you're bound for one in weeks. God I wish I can meet head of VCJ for once, this shit is getting outta control

Their leaderboards aren't that bad tho, it's certainly improving. I started to see many new names in the leaderboards now compared to before.

There are players with cracked mechanics and they are improving so I'm waiting lol

Yeah and that's good to see from him and that's why he's always my favourite player in Fennel

Fennel seems like an ambitious team to me alongside Murash.

Imo, they don't even need to look outside to show you are ambitious enough, just improve and fill the import slots. There's many orgs who are still importing anyways. If Scarz finally drops their bullshit import rosters for full Japanese roster then I think the players are ambitious enough.

They need more PC cafes lol

Imo they are the kings of Supercell games lol they have won at least once in all three of their esports ( CoC, Brawl Stars and CR)

Apparently Yuran is a sentinels player too proven now at Sengoku lol

Aace actually trialed to GE tho, although he didn't go so far.

Imo no wonder players wanted to stay in T2, when all the big orgs had 1 2 3 even 4 imports, there's no need to go outside when your region is basically 40% imports so you're bound to play like you're not in VCJ. It's not as if you're living comfy either, usually big salaries goes to imports since imports stay at big orgs

But I agree tho, the players need more ambition

Probably, it's always an uphill battle for Japan when not so long ago PC gaming is thought to be just Visual Novels or Hentai Games

Ik you're joking, but boaster's Japanese is anything but fluent lol

It's time to fake myself as Korean then, watch I'm about to say some of the vilest shit if that means Japan can improve lmao

Ok now I'm down for it lol. arin once discussed about how Japan always says "nt" to their players and I agree lol.

No worries man, been there before 😅😂

If anything I'd argue that importing too much really hurt Japan tho.