With all due respect you've been spoon fed too many modern day narratives. Of course players will be more talented over time, that, for the most part, doesn't affect how great a player was in a previous era. The only thing I agree on is that the era where bill and wilt played was underdeveloped as the nba was new at the time. That's why they're not my goats even if they were relatively the "greatest" compared to their comp.

Also, funny how this is your argument when you were the one stating I don't watch ball.

Bill Russell main strength was his defense by far, but saying he couldn't do shit offensively is a stretch. Larry was a much better rebounder and passer and was a much more efficient scorer than kobe. Kobe was a better defender (although larry was a great defender) while larry was the better overall offensive player. Kobe was the second guy behind shaq in 3 of his championships while bird was the main guy for most of them. Not to say kobe didn't play a big part, but there's a reason why bird has the same amount of finals mvps as kobe even though kobe has two more rings. Bird was more clutch than kobe and had 2 more mvps despite only playing 13 seasons. If you don't think bird and kobe are comparable you're crazy. Quite literally the only things kobe has over bird is longevity and defense.

Edg, but 2-1 and very close

Isn't Mako igling as well though?

Don't hate anyone personally online unless they did vile shit irl

That's a lot of assumptions you just made. I've watched a few full games of each of the players I listed except for Wilt and Bill Russell, whom I've only saw clips of. Keep in mind this is the greatest NBA players of all time list, not who I considered to be the most talented or skilled. Just who was the greatest in their era. Every era will have more talented players than the last, there's no doubt about that. If I was really going along with the narratives I would be saying that Kobe is a top 3 player to have ever touched the game, but I just believe that the footage, stats, and accolades tell a different story. Kobe is an amazing player with an amazing mentality, I just don't think he's top 5. Keep in mind this is just my opinion. What is a fact though, is the amount of people pushing the narrative that Kobe was the greatest ever greatly increasing AFTER he died.

We are talking about the greatest players of all time, not the best players. They are different things.

that's respectable and fair. I only think he's overrated when people put him right next to players like lebron and jordan.

Genuinely, how is he top 3-5. He's not better than Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russell, Shaq, Magic, Bird, and Duncan. Kobe and Hakeem is debatable. He's in the lower half of top 10 for sure and that was a popular sentiment before his death. It was only until after his death that some people started putting him at top 3-5; it boosted his hype so much that some even started saying he was the greatest of all time.

What about me daddy?

let em sleep.

It will make c0m's team's (Lev) victories so much sweeter.

Yeah, I put this shit on loop and start one tapping kids.

https://suno.com/song/f520a1f0-98f5-4cdc-bc6b-4b3ccee99f35

IMO, he barely makes the top 10 and it's certainly close to me as I can easily see other players taking his spot. To me, he's not even a top 5 player to have ever put on the lakers jersey imo. Shaq, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, and Lebron (by the way, I'm talking about their careers as a whole and not just their stint as a laker). Kobe's really good, but a bit overrated.

F0rsaken to Gen G is never going to happen nor do I want it to, but the argument of F0rsaken having shitty initiator utility, while true, is just not that good of an argument. They have a few months to work that out in the off-season, it's very easy to improve a player's util usage in a few months. Argument only applies if that player joins and they have have like 1 week to practice before the games start.

Yeah had a similar reaction to you. One of my friends swore it was good and the first few chapters really got me questioning life lmaoooo. I can see why you would want it to take place in the adult world, but for the sake of this story in particular, I think a high school setting works a bit better.

you gotta trust the process, not even capping

Ayooo both your choices a little bit sussy

(Pokémon
Gotta catch 'em all) It's you and me
I know it's my destiny (Pokémon)
Oh, you're my best friend
In a world we must defend (Pokémon
Gotta catch 'em all) A heart so true
Our courage will pull us through
You teach me and I'll teach you (Ooh, ooh)
Pokémon! (Gotta catch 'em all)
Gotta catch 'em all
Yeah

You're 7? That explains everything lil bro.

VOUCH FOR RELIFE AND THREE DAYS OF HAPPINESS COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THEM BUT THEY GOATED FR FR

No problem bro. Have a good time reading man.

you watched welcome to the NHK? Based. Hope you enjoy reading/watching the rest!

Gantz and Rezero (light novel) are both good examples of those, but they both have elements that are unrealistic as fuck. I haven't read many with your description, but I would suggest the Silent Voice movie/manga, Welcome to the N.H.K. novel/anime, Real, and Onanie Master Kurosawa. The last one's premise is very fucking weird (when I read the first chapter I was disgusted, you'll see what I mean if you read it), but trust me it's very good.

He's still a pretty good IGL and he doesn't need to be any more than that because he's not the only one calling. C0m is an excellent secondary caller.

For shonen I would suggest Sakamoto Days, Alice in Borderland, and Dandadan/Chainsawman (Iiked Dandadan a bit more tbh).

Whatever you do stay the FUCK away from Tokyo Revengers. Biggest waste of time in my life. Rather read shitty MHA a gazillion teams before reading that dogshit again.

For psychological manga, I would suggest Blood on the Tracks and Oyasumi Pun Pun.

If you want comedy, Grand Blue, Gintama, and GTO are good.

If you want delinquent manga, Clover and Rainbow (both super fucking underrated) are good.

If you want something goated read or watch Silent Voice. Movie left some crucial elements out from the manga and has a less fleshed out story overall, but is beautiful visually and has an amazing sound track. Can't go wrong with either.

If you only look at his individual stats he's a high B, low A tier player

However, if you look at the impact he has for his team, he's a high A, low S tier player. He fulfills what G2 needs perfectly.

Different circumstances imo. Everyone on PRX is good individually and the synergy between the players are perfect. At least one of these things were not true for Sen as Marved was not performing at all and Pancada was strictly a controller player that struggled to play other roles at the same high level he showed on controller/had barely any synergy with Sen players besides Sacy. I would give it at least one more split before you start talking about replacements because right now the main problem is role flexibility and playstyle which can easily be fixed in the off season and not the indiviual players themselves. If Jingg can perform at a high level on different roles, then there's no reason for him to be replaced we just need to see what happens next split first.

Imo no players on PRX should be switched out yet. But they need to have Jingg learn other agents so that they become more flexible as a team. As an individual player Jingg is really good, but he needs to branch out more in order for PRX to take the next step.

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Yeah, no problem bro; it was a pleasure talking to you too man. Have a good day.

yeah, it's very entertaining and his style of opping is very fast and flicky makes it satisfying to watch. Him and something are prob the only ones I know who actively op on T side lol.

I would say Smoggy >= KK , but their about equal to me

I support that bro. And I can see it happening.

congrats bro I'm proud of you

Bro with all due respect please shut yo baiting ass up for once dawg😭

How different teams perform against the same team has nothing to do with how good that team is. We have seen that is not the case many times.

I still like the players on that team whether their fans exist or not. Admittedly, there are many times I want them to lose because the Sen fanbase is booty cheeks, so I'd support them more if the fanbase was gone.

yes unless Lev lose

you misspelled the word "beating"

What if lelouch is controlling vlr behind the scenes and that's why he doesn't get banned 😱 He might be the real lelouch

good shots bro if anyone says who asked just know i did

yeah surprised I don't see more people talking about him, he's been the most consistent player on Kru

trace is there cause I like the way they play and I love an underdog lol

FAX ALWAYS GO WITH YOUR FAVS ON YOUR PREDS WWWWWWW

Lev, PRX, G2, Trace (i'm just naming my favorite 4 teams left in the events).

My favorite champs so far personally. Very competitive and there's lots of upsets so far and I enjoy seeing that. Now if Lev lose tom my opinion might change. No bias tho.

that's fair, I think Boo has been amazing for TH and a big part of their success, but that might have less to do with his ability as a controller and more to do with how good of an IGL he is. It's definitely debatable no doubt about that.

While TenZ did indeed have impressive performances and higher ratings in those particular matches, it's essential to recognize that a few high-stakes games don't capture the full scope of a player’s talent and career. Karon’s overall skill, strategic understanding, and contributions throughout the season reflect his status as a top-tier player.

In competitive gaming, performance in isolated matches, while significant, doesn't always define a player's long-term potential or their impact on the game. Karon has demonstrated his exceptional abilities and consistency across various contexts, which is why he’s considered a highly skilled player. The fact that TenZ had standout moments doesn’t diminish Karon’s broader achievements and capabilities.

Moreover, the dynamics of a few matches, including the Madrid Grand Finals, highlight specific moments but don’t necessarily represent the entirety of a player’s skill set. Karon’s track record and his contributions in numerous games underscore his strength as a player. Sometimes, even the best can face challenging games or situations that don't fully reflect their usual performance.

Karon’s resilience, strategic insight, and overall gameplay are what set him apart in the long run, and his ability to perform consistently across various scenarios is a testament to his greatness in the competitive scene.

While TenZ did make a significant impact in those crucial elimination games, it’s important to remember that a few high-stakes matches don’t tell the whole story. Karon’s consistent performance throughout the season and his overall skill set are what truly define him as a top-tier player.

In competitive gaming, many factors influence the outcome of a match, and a single series of games doesn’t fully capture a player’s abilities or potential. Karon’s gameplay and contributions to his team have been outstanding across numerous games and situations, showcasing a high level of skill and strategic understanding.

It’s worth noting that TenZ’s notable performances in those elimination games were impressive, but Karon’s ability to perform under pressure, his consistency throughout the season, and his overall impact on the game speak volumes about his prowess as a player. The ability to deliver in critical moments is important, but Karon’s broader track record and contributions should not be overlooked.

In the grand scheme, both players have their own strengths and moments of brilliance. Karon’s sustained excellence and ability to maintain high performance across various situations highlight his exceptional talent and make him a better player.

I can actually agree with your take on Tenz. I do agree that Mako's predecessor leaving was unfortunate and that Mako's stats dropped because of that, but in all honesty, the context doesn't matter nearly as much as the actual performance of the player throughout the entire year when you're talking about who performed the "best" in a certain category. The fact that Mako never even attended a single masters before champs really hurts his viability tbh. I would place Mako above Tenz, and my ranking would probably change to this:

Valyn (if G2 won Champs) > Boo (if TH won Champs) > Karon (if G2 or TH didn't win Champs) > Mako (if DRX win Champs) > and Tenz (if Sen wins Champs)

We can agree to disagree, I just think the inconsistency of Mako and his team thoughout the entire year makes it hard for me to call him the best controller of the year over Karon (even if DRX wins).