I like apoth, but his play this season has been horrid. I hope he can bounce back.

If you look at the entire year aspas has similar fkpr to basically every good duelist (except zmjjkk who is the exception) and the only reason he has a lower fdpr is because he has a better rate of winning the first duel. This narrative started out as bait and the fact some mfers are dumb enough to actually take it seriously is funny af. I do think Aspas is number 3 and that Zmjjkk overall was better than him this year though.

2 2nd place finishes in no world is better than a first place champs finish. How tf is edg not above th?

I'd rather get one first place than a gazillion second places.

Also sen and geng should be switched, sen is not first lol.

you lost your aura with that name change

I want kingg and goonzino to stay as well, praying no one leaves 😭

Even with his bad last performance, he was the 3rd best player for Sen throughout the tournament and their best player overall in the group stages. I know you are baiting, but this is mostly for the people who believe that Sacy didn't play his part. I will say the last series against TH did really hurt his overall performance though as before that game I would say that Sacy had a good tournament.

Haven't seen you in a while and the first thing I see you post is bait. Welcome back bro.

Literally everyone on Lev played mid that game lol

W for EG C0m in 2023

I'm really glad Miniboo is playing well, people claiming that he was only on TH because of nepotism can suck a fat cock

Not really lol. I want China to get their first trophy, so I hope EDG pull through.

Ik you're baiting but you're actually right. Never seen fans who wants to replace their players as badly as sen fans.

guess Mako was just more impactful overall idk ask enigma

Acting like Mako aint one of the greatest players in Val

yep, may the best team win

bro wrote a fan fic

i don't trust anyone with baby in their name

TH

EDG

Im going to touch you d1rt

no he balded from the stress of grinding league

Both play fade and Sova mainly

Both mid round exceptionally well

Both are not considered to be top players mechanically, but provide amazing value to their respective teams

Both had fans who wanted them to be replaced

Both have amazing util usage

Both have already won 1 Champs

Both turn it the fuck up when Champs comes around

Both are loveable cutie patooties

Must I go on .... ?

Yeah, but this thread is asking if pacific is the worst atm, and China as a region is def worse than Pacific as a region rn.

This tournament, I would say every team in Apac underperformed/didn't do well besides DRX. They are still a good region, just not a great tournament for them.

fnatic still the best team of all time, but it's hella close and if sen win another masters after winning champs then I would give it to sen

oops wrong reply, it was supposed to be for the reply above

Because they have someone else to dog on.

you just said 2 majors in one year so I was just addressing that what you said isn't true + it's exactly because he is a rookie that he can't be the greatest yet; he needs at least another year or two to show that he is the greatest igl of all time

I actually fuck with this. Sacy could make an argument for this list tho.

too small of a time frame to be considered the greatest in anything + boaster did it first

Sacy, there is an argument, but Zekken no. While he did play tier 1 on xset, they were known for being the fourth place team, so I wouldn't really say Zekken had any success until this year. While Tenz did disappear for a while, he was still good in multiple different years and absolutely carried Sen in that 2021 masters run. I would give Zekken more time before placing him ahead of Tenz in the greatest players of all time debate. Also, one game isn't enough to determine whether Tenz > Zekken or Zekken > Tenz.

This is valid criticism. No hate against boaster at all, but I'm not sure he can keep up anymore. If he does go though, I'll be sad, bro was entertaining af (and could sing chinese songs hella well).

Tenz is still top 5, but he's like number 5 for me assuming he doesn't win champs. As you said, him being inconsistent holds him back from being the goat imo.

Hot take: winning is way more of a team's achievement and has way less impact when talking about how great an individual player is. Not saying it shouldn't have impact on an individual player's standings at all, but it shouldn't be one of the main factors without heavy context imo. That being said, I consider Mako, Sacy, Chronicle, Derke, Aspas, Tenz, and F0rsaken to be the greatest players of all time at the moment. Not in order obviously.

he's not actually a prx fan

If lev don't win I would love for EDG to

prob cause baiters and haters like u are always on his dick

its fine, his util is still good on fade. But he has better util on sova and is able to frag much more on sova as well.

I mean he can play it, but it's been a while since he has. My main point is that his sova is super cracked, but he lacks the same impact on other agents and I think it would really help Lev if he was able to play other agents on the same level of his sova.

He can make the case for best sova itw at the moment. I will say though that I do think c0m needs to learn how to play more agents at a high level next year regardless of whether lev win this tourney or not. Cause right now all he has is a cracked sova and pretty decent fade.

what do you think

My guy, ever since Fnc got hiro they've been playing the best they have for the entire year. We literally don't know if they would have played better with leo. Boaster almost always struggles mechanically when the level of play is at its highest, thats been known for a while. Alfa does not look out of form, he's topfragged on two out of the five games they've played so far. Derke and chronicle are doing great I agree. Fnatic aren't out of form, this is just how they are. A strong team who tightly contends with the rest of teams in this tournament. I do think they are slightly favored against sen though.

Brazilian with bilibili flair means that you are based and that everything you listed is a hundred percent true 👍

Excited to see the match up

Kyro1 and bulkylettuce are the GOATs at singlehandedly making vlr users hate a team.

Yeah as time goes on teams get better and overtake previous teams that were on top. Go figure.

I love c0m and aspas equally ❤️

But yeah c0m obviously isn't the driving force of this team even if he is an amazing sova.

Every one still in the tournament is a strong team, especially the teams that have already made top 3. I think they aren't very consistent yes, but saying they aren't strong when they have beating so many good teams is crazy.

She's easily the best when Fnatic aren't playing. When they are, it gets tiring hearing the constant glaze.

Edg ain't trace and we've seen many times before that beating one team that beats another team doesn't mean that that team is favored to beat the team that was beat by the team they beat.

Kudos if you can understand the second part.

Imo match is a 50/50 but I like lev more so yeah

Bro realizes halfway through his post he was talking to dirt lmaooo