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Who can provide valid arguments as to why EWC is not on the same level as Masters on a competitive standard.

No you will not get $5, but you'll get a pat on the back.

EWC = Masters and I've yet to see a valid argument made as to why it isn't.

GAF about ur moral high horse, that doesn't change gameplay quality and competitive level.

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Honestly ewc = champs

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flair

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it's not on the same level as a masters because it's on the same level as champs

both have 16 teams

pat my back now

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Ahnri

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They will tell you worst production and such

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Double elimination provides for more matches for teams to showcase their full ability, for example leviatan who won masters and were the best team in the tournament through the lower bracket

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also the masters winners aren’t in it, can we really consider it a truly competitive tournament if you don’t have the team in the best form in the tournament

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they'll tell you "well you have to prioritise one or the other" as if ewc isn't just for london rejects

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I honestly agree with you here, but to play devil's advocate:

doesn't single elim mean every team needs to have utmost focus and effort into each game?
are the stakes not raised for every playoffs game and therefore teams do not play any game with a feeling of safety because they face elimination at any point?
it can be argued that teams in upper bracket do not feel as pressured to win because they get a second chance
if an upper bracket team won instead of Lev, wouldn't we be calling them the best team in the tournament and be disregarding the need for lower bracket as a means of more stage experience and getting a second chance?

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No, because no team doesn’t play a match without full focus and effort regardless
Sure I guess but I don’t think this adds value to the tournament
I promise you upper bracket teams still feel the same level of pressure
No because we’ve seen many lower bracket runs already + most finals are very close proving that those teams are deservedly in the final

Counterpoint. Single elimination doesn’t allow for teams to grow throughout the tournament which is inherently detrimental to having high-level valorant in the tournament.

IMO the only thing single elimination provides is more pressure for fans which can lead to a more fun viewing experience.

I do think that a EWC is worth more then a regional and is a good tournament to have, but I wish it was at a better time in the year.

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All fair points

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schedule fucks over the best teams

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Can't see how that affects EWC quality of gameplay. You're looking from a perspective on how it affects VCT but I'm discussing as to EWC itself. If you can provide valid argument as to why the schedule made the level of gameplay worse then I'm all for it.

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? Teams that focused on London put less focus on qualifying, and teams that went deep into London were out out of steam and have 10 vods out of them playing. Schedule fucks over teams that care about the VCT circuit. And for the teams that care more about EWC, it incentives teams to care more for a tourney that doesn't mean anything VCT wise for the money. It's a lose lose, good teams are out of gas, teams that care about it a ton are missing the same quality from the circuit that franchises them in the first place.

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champs > ewc > masters

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the quality of gameplay and competition is there but everything else just isn’t

prudction is worse, format is worse, qualifiers are worse, and above everything legacy is defined by those that are there to witness it & most of the community believes EWC is not of the same level as a masters

is 100T a good team because of EWC? yes, and that’s because good teams attended

it doesn’t make the event itself good

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no you're right it's the exact same, just like soop and rbhg

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it is a s tier non official tournament right below masters in prestige. If any of these teams had the opportunity to either win ewc or masters they would pick a masters trophy every time. Can y'all stop dragging this boring ass argument

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100% agree larp larp larp sahur knows ball

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someone deadass said ewc = champs LMFOAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, ewc is nowhere close to masters everything is much worse

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idc about money but here are my thoughts:

it is an off-season event and will never be held into the same standard as a masters. why do you think they'd offer a really huge prize pool to entice orgs if it was already prestigious on its own?
gameplay quality is ass, they couldn't even provide proper equipment such as proper monitor arms that players are used to in competitive play
the qualifiers are scuffed as hell being online and not even streamed, with ping differences affecting some teams' performance.
the timing of the entire thing being squeezed in between stage 1, masters london, and stage 2 (and even enc qualifiers) makes it way harder for teams to prep, especially for the ones who played in london

ALSO it not being properly managed is also a factor. there were a few instances where coaches were having their shit stolen in the middle of the game in the coaching room during the group stage, while during the bbl vs edg match the coaches' pov got switched so the edg coach can see bbl setup and vice versa, which definitely affected those games.

this is not to discount the teams who won/did well in this tournament (i'd say 100T needed this win as momentum for stage 2, nrg too as they had a hard time in london, and ns to regain their footing after flopping in stage 1) but saying that this win is equivalent to a masters win is disingenuous imo.

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i care about money

it is an off-season event and will never be held into the same standard as a masters. why do you think they'd offer a really huge prize pool to entice orgs if it was already prestegious on its own?
gameplay quality is ass, they couldn't even provide proper equipment such as proper monitor arms that players are used to in competitive play
the qualifiers are scuffed as hell being online and not even streamed, with ping differences affecting some teams' performance.
the timing of the entire thing being squeezed in between stage 1, masters london, and stage 2 (and even enc qualifiers) makes it way harder for teams to prep, especially for the ones who played in london

ALSO it not being properly managed is also a factor. there were a few instances were when coaches were having their shit stolen in the middle of the game in the coaching room during the group stage, while during the bbl vs edg match the coaches' pov got switched so the edg coach can see bbl setup and vice versa, which definitely affected those games.

this is not to discount the teams who won/did well in this tournament (i'd say 100T needed this win as momentum for stage 2, nrg too as they had a hard time in london, and ns to regain their footing after flopping in stage 1) but saying that this win is equivalent to a masters win is disingenuous imo.

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https://www.vlr.gg/712609/ewc-is-mickey-heres-why

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on berlinglazer's life ewc > masters + champs

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azert

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hes dead gj

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charisu

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Officer this person is trying to murder someone

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the best player in the world, and the best team in the world wasnt there.

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only teams that can't win real events try their hardest and end up victorious