Ending the Alfajer vs Less debate

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n1cf

2022
Alfajer: 1.17 Rating 1.23 KD, 0 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies
Less: 1.13 Rating 1.25 KD, 2 International Final Appearances, 1 Trophy

2023
Alfajer: 1.21 Rating, 1.38 KD, 2 International Final Appearances, 2 Trophies
Less: 1.15 Rating, 1.22 KD, 1 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies

2024
Alfajer: 1.10 Rating, 1.17 KD, 0 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies
Less: 1.13 Rating, 1.15 KD, 0 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies

2025
Alfajer: 1.06 Rating, 1.15 KD, 2 International Final Appearances(excluding EWC), 0 Trophies
Less: 1.07 Rating, 1.12 KD, 0 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies

2026 (so far)
Alfajer: 1.16 Rating, 1.22 KD, 0 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies
Less: 1.31 Rating, 1.57 KD, 0 International Final Appearances, 0 Trophies (Missed Kickoff, sample size is too low)

Overall:
Alfajer: 4 GF Appearances(excluding EWC), 2 Trophies (won 1 vs Less)
Less: 3 GF Appearances, 1 Trophy (lost 1 vs Alfajer)

All these Less fans trying to overcomplicate things with saying ''ohhh but less beat alfa twice in champs23!!! ohhh but vit and less qualed to masters1 while alfa couldnt!!!'' meanwhile no one gives a fuck about allat. What really matters is how many Grand Finals you've seen and how many you have won. And your individual stats of course.

Sure, the debate was close in 2022 and partially 2023, but after 2025 you CANNOT say Less is better than Alfajer. There is no world where Less is better than Alfajer anymore. The debate could be relevant again if KRÜ do good this season and win a trophy. But for now, Alfajer is clearly better.

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I_LOVE_LESS

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waste of time doing all this just for Less to win masters and champs this year

#3

n1cf

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I hope so bud

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GattoVLR

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In Less we trust

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dododo_de_dadada

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how is this even a debate

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Opleiksii

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brazilians bro. Cant be objective

#5

foythvlr

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its fair to say alfajer is ahead. what i dont think its true is that the gap is big like some people were saying, which is the point of that post. alfajer is ahead on one good year and that can turn very easily

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n1cf

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but acting like there is no debate between less and alfajer is just ignorance

Currently there is no debate bud

#7

foythvlr

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What

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Opleism

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downvoting for truth lol. I wonder what Brazilians would say if Alfa disappeared for 2 fucking years

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foythvlr

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what would be "disappearing"?

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catNmouse

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Not having any semblance of relevancy throughout the entire season if I had to guess

Less made Madrid and Bangkok and placed top 4 in both of them and his teams fell off for the entire year. Alfa missed the first event but made the next two in 2024 and 2025 while having standout individual performances in one of those years

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foythvlr

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Less was a top rated player on Kickoff Americas 24, Madrid, Americas 24 S1, and EMEA 25 S2. The only time he went negative rating was EMEA 25 S1. top 4 itw twice. idk i think disappearance is a big stretch, would say is more of being inconsistent and on bad projects. yay disappeared for two years, he didn't. he arguable was more relevant than nAts and no one says nAts disappeared

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glittering_yard

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Less vs Alfajer

Less vs Alfajer Lockin
https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf
Less 1.26 > 0.96 Alfajer
Less +20 > +7 Alfajer

Less vs Alfajer Champions 2023
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
Less 1.19 > 1.18 Alfajer
Less +9 > +5 Alfajer
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
Less 1.08 > 0.83 Alfajer
Less +2 > -4 Alfajer

Less vs Alfajer EMEA Stage 1 2025
https://www.vlr.gg/459836/team-vitality-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w2
Less 1.00 > 0.79 Alfajer
Less +5 > -7 Alfajer

Less 4 - 0 Alfajer

Less: 1 Champions trophy (World Champion)
Alfajer: 0 Champions trophies (NOT a World Champion, eliminated by Less)

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n1cf

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We pulling up regional games to push the agenda now 🤣🤣🤣

Less' biggest achievement after 2022 is having better stats vs Alfajer in a Grand Final where he LOST, and beating Alfajer twice on Champions 2023 where he couldn't win it all!!! congrats to him!!! Now let's see him on a grand final again!!! oh wait... He hasn't been in one in 3 years...

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glittering_yard

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bud is counting 2nd places as if its a trophy or something 😭 the one lifting the Champions trophy in Turkey was Less, not alfa

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n1cf

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And Less ain't even got those 2nd places in the last 3 years 🤣 Alfajer was the one who won LOCK//IN vs Less, in Sao Paolo, in front of thousands of brazilians 🤣 I bet that 1v2 still haunts you guys🤣

You guys clown me for hanging onto cNed's but literally do the same with Less 🤣

Anyways we will be there when Alfajer goes on a run and wins at least two more trophies in the future while you guys still try to compare him to Less with not even a single Final appearance 🤣

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notnorte

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why would h2h duels ever be a good metric to use when comparing two players, by that logic some of the BBL players are probably better than some of the NRG players from their match at santiago. not to mention we don't see the gunfights, could be any kind of trade, spam, eco vs antieco, raze ult, or any other factor that doesn't make it representative of someone's skill

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catNmouse

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h2h in general is kind of a meaningless stat in a way tbh

like g2 owns nrg and sen consistently and yet they have no international trophy to show for it

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Meinipo

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Again, No one cares about h2h. Less was irrelevant last 2 years

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x_knowitall39_x

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less just ghosted in 2024 and 2025 and people are trying to say hes over alfa. same delusion that got people thinking nats is anywhere near top 10

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mDd

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who cares they're both washed

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catNmouse

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https://www.vlr.gg/645484/nrg-vs-kr-esports-vct-2026-americas-stage-1-w2

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mDd

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fake, gold2 propaganda they can't handle https://www.vlr.gg/645475/g2-esports-vs-mibr-vct-2026-americas-stage-1-w1 so they're doing some gold2 propaganda

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mangomango

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How tf is this still a debate. Alfa clears

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koldamentafan

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Alfa? Top 4 player of all time. Less? Maybe top 10

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imfromchina

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At the end of the day i dont think it is comparable, Less was on dogshit teams after 2023 loud and alfajer has been with one of the greatest cores of all time (this is not a diss to alfajer's personal ability he is one of the greatest but the difference in team achievements makes it one sided)