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NOOO HARBOR

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#1
GarbanzoEnjoyer

As a Harbor player since release I fear they have finally given him the Neon treatment:

He's been overbuffed and now when he gets spammed riot is gonna nerf him to a worse state than he was in before :(

On the bright side ranked is gonna be my playground for the next few acts

#2
PandaZ
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what buffs did he get?

#3
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  • Cove

Cooldown decreased: 40s -> 30s
Smoke duration increased: 15s -> 19.25s
Health increased: 500 -> 680
Gun now re-equips faster after activating Cove

  • Storm Surge

    Storm Surge now plays audio in world if enemies are hit

  • High Tide

Wall height increases 6m -> 8m
Max wall length increased from 50m -> 60m

  • Reckoning

    Wave speed increased by 25%
    Can now re-use the ultimate to stop it in place for 7s.

#4
PandaZ
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wtf they gave him steroids

#7
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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Yeah the only changes needed were the shorter cooldown on cove and the bigger high tide... this is way too much

#13
PandaZ
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Honestly this + storm surge audio would've been fine but the ult getting a buff that insane is wild espcially if the wall keeps the effects

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GarbanzoEnjoyer
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Yup and now it's gonna be increased to 8 or 9 points if they keep it this way

#5
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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Surely the ult being stopped in place for 7s is just a smoke and not the blind + slow effect too tho...?

#9
MrBlooBloom
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I'm 90% positive it keeps the effects

#11
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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There goes my slept-on 7 point ultimate

#10
appl
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it keeps the effects

#6
appl
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he needed this lol hes been mid asf with every change

#8
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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He only needed two of these changes to be great though

#12
Pomshies
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I don’t think these buffs are that massive tbh, like they will probably make him viable on like 1 or 2 maps but I highly doubt he’ll be meta

#14
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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No there's no way. Anyone saying this hasn't committed to learning his new kit.

Like I said, it's only the cove and high tide buffs that were needed (and even then 30s is very fast). Storm surge and ult becoming twice as good as they were before is a recipe for disaster

#19
midzera
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Harbor effectively has one smoke that's on refresh compared to other agents with two smokes. The refresh may be fast, but it feels fair given how his util is much less compared to other agents. He's definitely a lot stronger and will invite people to use him as a secondary smokes, but definitely not strong enough to be a solo smokes player.

The ult buff is monumental though. Being able to stop it and use it like a wall that no one can walk through without being near-sighted, deafened and slowed is quite strong and definitely will be one of the things to be rolled back upon a future balance.

Definitely going to get the Neon treatment, but I don't think his peak OPness will be the same as Neon and the nerfs won't be too drastic. Neon was genuinely a problem along with Iso and the nerfs definitely put them in a fair position now.

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GarbanzoEnjoyer
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No he still starts with two smokes, when you consider the wall. He essentially sacrifices stim/heal/tp in exchange for stronger smokes: a bigass wall and a shield with faster cooldown. Note also that he will have 3 recharges in the time omen/clove get 2

That is already more than competitive, and then you add a smaller omen blind that slows and indicates enemies, and what should be a 9 point ult as a 7 point one

#22
Pomshies
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I didn’t know about the cooldown and duration changes that definitely changes things a lot but I still don’t think he’ll be as great as you’re saying

The buffs don’t really fix any of the fundamental issues with his kit
I still don’t think he is viable as a solo controller and I doubt you’d ever want to play him over viper on the maps she is good at
He could definitely be meta on maps like Icebox and Breeze alongside Viper and he’ll probably be really good on Abyss as well but for any of the other maps I doubt it

#16
Orcus08
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He seem so good now, a 20 second smoke and you wait 10 seconds after for another 20 second smoke. Wall is improved, info piece of utility that nearsights. And his ult can now be used to flush in or wall off for like a spike defuse. Kinda nutty

#17
ARix145
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If used correctly u can get a cove up every 10 sec like wtf

#18
Maine
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Ur overreacting. It is a significant buff, yes but nothing near the "neon treatment"

#20
termtermtermterm
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he will still be shit

#21
Mirage27
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Good buffs that make him better for sure but still only has 3 pieces of util so he’s still not better than astra or omen.

#23
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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A wall that big is effectively two pieces of utility

He basically starts with 3 brim smokes and an info blind (!) plus a 10s faster smoke recharge, and the ability to shield his smokes, and a busted 7 point ult

Remember that Astra functionally has 3 non-recharging smokes, a stun, and a suck

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