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why dont they consult the pro players as to how much the agent is overpowered and shit??

i mean a pro player who plays this game for a living, def knows more about the game than these balancing teams. they buff some agent so much that its literally unguardable, or they nerf an agent so much that nobody uses it anywhere.

if they consult pro players they def will give more insights than the balancing team. i feel like they nerf to change the meta but surely this amt of nerf is unnecessary.

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delighted
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prolly bc the pros are too busy scrimming

#4
Divine_Thunder
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retired pros

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delighted
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ange1 and crws are coaching

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EseemedRes1180
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They will consult tenz and he will say some bs like give omen one smoke 😭

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Divine_Thunder
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he'll die to some shit once in ranked and start saying that nerf this and nerf that

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Asto3
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dont consult ardiis pls

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Naruka
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they consult Tenz though, if he says spread cheeks they do that too

#7
Divine_Thunder
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if they start consulting tenz only, then nerfs will be coming every day because of him

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they do listen to him though

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they prob did before, thats why 2024 was so shit cause they consulted their golden fraud t0nz.

11.08 was riot’s hail mary to get him to come back

#6
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because player opinions have biases
also their pov is about pro play
ranked works different
ranked will always be more important than pro play for riot

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thats why i said "consult" them. they can handle ranked but they can consult pros for pro play as if they arent making an agent too overpowered.

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they cant be biased and consult from 1 pro, if they do get consultations from multiple pros it will have conflicting opinions
i think agents being overpowered and underpowered is an important part of the game, it benefits those who play around it smartly (for ex. trent/free1ng tejo)

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i mean surely when the balance team works, they have many conflicting opinions. they can maybe include pros like fns who will be unbiased because they suck anyways. or maybe they can include coaches?

#21
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but pretty sure balance team has a framework which they follow for balancing
unlike pros who can say anything that they feel like

i dont think there is anything bad in taking consultations, but the chances of it being useful in both ranked and pro play are very low
also they should not at all take consultations from active pros, it will always be biased
and as long as retired players go, i don't think there are many who still follow the game as closely (for example fns does not play ranked at all now) so there is always a question mark regarding how much they understand

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Riot barely cares about ranked. Pro is more "important to them"

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pro play is important as long as it does not overlap ranked requirements
many people play ranked because of these overpowered agents/flashy agents which are fun

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Its because if the game becomes too pro-centric or top-level focused then you start to lose the casual player base or lower ranked players which wouldn't be good for the game. And often times pro's opinions don't better the game.

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#9

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Even if you consult them, they would often give opinions that would make the game better for the top level or pro level but wouldn't make it better for lower level players or new players.

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Yk wut people should be able to vote after champs on which agents they feel should get buffed or nerfed in like those ordered tierlists. Maybe like you select 5-10 of the total and then order them however you like for buffs and nerfs.
But to enter this you have to use a verified account.
That plus pro consults allows you to figure out who are the real nightmares
(Obviously certain agents like Reyna will get selected regardless)

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nah man, if ppl start dying to deadlock net+tejo rockets then they'll ask to nerf the net which defeats the purpose.

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