BRING BACK BREEZE AND FRACTURE PLEASE
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You can do that in unrated/swiftplay. Even then, that is one of Breeze's sore points. It is heavily favoured to have operator/outlaw users. There's not much about the map that can be changed since the one attempt they made on a key change (halls being closed off) fell flat. If positions in halls had value for utility usage then it would keep it interesting, but that area became redundant as you couldn't take space through halls so there was no need to fight for it.
I'd like to see halls lead just into the door and chute, but not all the way into defender spawn. It'd help attackers get onto A without being a toxic asf lurk spot for defenders to constantly worry about
I see the idea as it alleviates some of that heavy defender-sided control. I guess the defenders, if they want to contest that area of the map, they have to open the door giving away positional information and also delaying when the defender can hold the area.
Wait you're right defenders having to open their own door is kinda troll... maybe the long sightline could stay, just not the ability to walk down it? Idk
i get your take, but having one map where scoped weapons are favorable that isnt icebox is good imo, just like how we have good for shotguns maps like bind
Shotguns can be used in a few areas across many maps. Bind is the most notable one for hookah, octagon or lamps, but there is also Split vents, Ascent A-tree, even outside of Breeze choke points to site. Whilst Icebox gets a lot of hate as the most boring map, I think that the direction the meta took with Sage and Omen picks made the map a lot more interesting. In addition, scoped weapons on maps like Ascent and even Abyss can basically close out a map. Abyss might go through a Breeze situation where the operator might be too good on the map, but we would have to see how the new meta looks like at Champs. Earlier this year was muddled by Tejo so post-plant dominated.
my personal view on the icebox that made it stale is that the map is 2 dimensional, oh you lost a? just go b… oh you also lost b? go back to a!… you almost never see mid being used outside lurks and very weird one time plays.
and by the shotgun on bind take is that i think you can just run purely shotgun on bind and still get value due how cramped and small the map is,
i kinda like breeze in that way where you can just run scope on any agents and get value off it (personal bias i guess? outlaw enjoyer here, and marshal before outlaw was out) and the map isnt “icebox levels of 2 dimensional” — you can run a split trough double door or even halls into switch, or for b you can go elbow towards arch pinching the site
I see what you're saying about Icebox's mid area. Mid is used for lurks because of how long the pathing from attacker spawn to site from mid is. Defenders have a strong advantage in the area due to the two angles looking down on the attackers. Even then, Killjoy utility makes it so that anybody trying to get through tube or orange would eventually be detected if the Killjoy is nearby. If Icebox were to change this aspect of the map, it would definitely make it feel different - possibly have a similar vibe to Ascent where you need to fight for mid control if you want to have successful site pops.
Breeze definitely has a better mid than Icebox if you want to create site pressure, but it is still a pretty stale map given that you cannot change much asides the micro details on site. Mid feels balanced now so changing it would make it more attacker sided. I see Breeze still as a bit of a narrow options map in ranked since a lot of the meta agents for that map require a lot more team coordination. Icebox had some evolution in the comps to allow Sage and Omen who require coordination, but have a lot more individual pop-off capability than KAYO or Gekko for instance.
I'll just say that if Breeze were to come back, it would definitely need to have some adjustments to balance out how strong snipers are on the map. I don't mind having the few off angles, but the B-site definitely feels heavily favoured for Snipers. Snipers will always have value across the maps if you know how to play your angles right, but Breeze feels like a playground for sniping.
abyss is also overhated but breeze literally needs door in the middle of halls so that instead of blocking rotates it blocks lurks and itll be fine
people forget the main reason the map sucked was pre-nerf Cypher and Viper, both of whom are dead.
If they remove A halls, I am fine with breeze coming back. Any map is better than icebox
bring back breez but with halles closed and open 2 entry in a site like old map
Want to see more new comps being played on Breeze. It'll be fun to watch for VCT.
first person besides me who likes these maps and wants them back lol Fracture and Breeze are my best maps
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